Helena Wolinska dead

That is disgusting that the Jews have no trouble placing old concentration camp commanders on trial, but whenever another country attempts to try a Jew, it is utterly impossible. I believe if Wolinska and Morel would both be placed on trial, and found guilty, that would stain the Holocaust Legacy, and they are doing everything in their power to keep that from happening.

88 years old, and England claimed they would not deport her for "humanitarian reasons." So what about the 90+ year old German camp commanders?

The Jews were all innocents and angels during the holocaust, yet Poles, including the ones risking their lives to save them, are all monsters.
Someone should have exacted revenge on her while she was still alive. Perhaps a hanging would have done the trick, after a quick, makeshift trial in her home. It would still be better treatment than what Fieldorf got.

I agree Filios1, good commentary. Time after time, things happen LONG after they should.

This is a good quote:

"The Israelis are extremely efficient in pursuing people they have accused of such crimes - and they must accept that other nations want to do the same. Morel himself stated that he was innocent of any wrongdoing, dismissing the allegations as an anti-semitic plot.

Another Jew who dismisses these allegations as an anti-semitic plot. That is a very useful wild card for them.

Is there anyone else still alive today, regardless of which "side" they were on, in a similar position to her?

Interesting post - thanks

Speaking of enemy collaborators, some of you might be interested in these two discussions:

forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=146142&start=30

forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=144090&start=0

I'm a new member so I can't post hot links.

Very true. Playing the ultimate 'victim' has it's benefits though and that's why many Jewish groups fail to acknowledge that there were indeed Jewish war criminals, and numerous communists that committed terrible crimes against gentiles. The 'victim' card gives their community a pseudo justification to be on constant 'defense' giving many leading Jewish organizations the 'right' to label someone 'anti-semitic' when even questioned. It also is cause for the USA to funnel billions of $ in aid to Israel. Every nationality, religion, and ethnic group has their moral rightious and ugly demons, only, not everyone wants to admit it. Case in point: Wolinska, Michnik, and numerous others. I wish society and individuals could only be more fair.

Of course if Morel hadn't been Jewish, he would most certainly have been nailed to the wall as a warning to others. Just look at what happened to another of the commanders of a Polish concentration camp, Czesław Gęborski.


Bet he got a long sentence, eh?
No. He got promoted.


But he must have been done after Stalinism ended, right?
Nope


But this was communist Poland. When Poland became free surely he answered for his crimes!


All this from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czes%C5%82aw_G%C4%99borski

Morel's co-commander at the Zgoda Polish concentration , a certain Aleksy Krut, was not Jewish and by some amazing oversight was never brought to trial either.

As for Wolinska, being a Jew was the only reason she wasn't prosecuted. Look at what happened to the judge in the Fieldorf case, Maria Gurowska. She was banged up for life wasn't she? Nope, although a case was opened against her in 1992 (a mere three years after Poland became free), she just didn't bother turning up to any of the proceedings and happily lived out the remaining six years of her life.

That Wojciech Jaruzelski, he's a Jew too. Which explains why he's never been brought to trial.

There never was a "Polish Concentration Camp".

Please don't tell lies Carol.

Pre-war Polish concentration camp:
Bereza Kartuska

Post-war Polish concentration camps:
Potulice (on site of Nazi concentration camp, closed 1950)
Jaworzno (sub-camp of Auschwitz, closed in 1956)
Chrusty (sub-camp of Jaworzno)
Libiąż (sub-camp of Jaworzno)
Zgoda (so bad that the commander of the camp was charged with crimes against humanity)
£ambinowice (where Gęborski had his shooting/burning party)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_August_Fieldorf

"Emil August Fieldorf (20 March 1895 - 24 February 1953) was a Polish brigadier general. He was Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Polish Home Army during World War II. He commanded KeDyw and ordered the execution of German police General Franz Kutschera. Operation Kutschera was carried out in Warsaw on February 2, 1944, by Szare Szeregi Grupy Szturmowe."

HE has been killed bedcause he trusted western allies.

And some other people? You mean thousands of people whose only crime was to be ethnic Germans or from Upper Silesia or Lemko or Ukrainian or Kaszubian. Nice of you to acknowledge that Poles were quite happy to send people to concentration camps solely for racist reasons.

BTW: if you could point out the bit of the Yalta treaty where the UK and USA insist that Poland must operate post-war concentration camps, I'd be grateful. I've heard the UK blamed for most things by Poles but this is the first time I've ever heard a Pole blame the UK for the concentration camps operated by Poles in Poland after the war.

Members of my family has been murderd in such camps because they were members of ani- nazi resistance... they trusted Brits ... pffffffffffffff.

NKWD dressed them in Nazi uniforms in such camps and then murdered them ... they were so stupid.

From the same source you quote:


So in reality he was killed because he trusted Poles.


Murdered by whom? Poles.

Don't blame the British for the crimes of your own country and countrymen.

NKVD was so Polish organisation :) Katyń was so Polish :) fuk you.

No it wasn't. It was Russian (although it was set up and run by a Pole).
But all the post-war camps I list were in reality run by the Ministerstwo Bezpieczeństwa Publicznego. That was a Polish organisation. Run by Poles for Poles.


Katyń has nothing to do with Polish concentration camps.

If you want go so deep who is Polish and who is not true Polish and who have done what ...

Here you have: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakub_Berman

"Between 1944-1956 Berman was a member of Politbiuro of Polish United Workers' Party (PUWP) responsible for Urząd Bezpieczeństwa (State Security Services), propaganda, and ideology. In this capacity he was directly responsible for Stalinist-type terror and repressions against real and imagined political opponents of the communist regime in Poland. Urząd Bezpieczeństwa prosecution of ex-Home Army members, Roman Catholic Church clergy, and purges in the military, resulted in at least 6,000 death sentences, imprisonment and prosecuction of estimated 500,000 Polish patriots."

"Berman is brother of Adolf Berman, a Zionist activist."

What a shame that Poland has managed to convict no Catholic Poles for the crimes they are so eager to prosecute Jewish Poles for.

And what an amazing co-incidence it is that Jewish Poles are tried so often and Catholic Poles are not. Wolinska gets hounded to her death in the UK but the judge who gave the verdict and the sentence is allowed to live peacefully in Warsaw for six years without even bothering to go to court.

I am not ani-semite I have some friends with such origin and I consider them to be my countrymen ... in all societies there are bad and good people.

You seem to be different: Harry what do you think about Berman ?

I can't remember calling you an anti-semite.

Berman should have been tried for his crimes.

I repeat, there is no such place as "Polish Concentration Camp" , they were camps in "Soviet/Nazi's occupied Poland" as Poland was whom the camps were built to house and be killed within.


In order to convict there would have to be trials, seeing as how this was to much of a bother, the ones we request trials for, refused to do the same for the victims. So I guess you should be thankful we ask for trials.

Harry, it is you who are fabricating lies. There were never any "Polish Concentration Camps". During the 1950's, after WWII, no democratic Poland ever existed. In fact, a truly independent Poland only began existing after 1989. Poland was occupied by the Stalinists (like Wolinska and Berman) from the end of WWII to 1989. Anything done by that Communist Polish Government was usually dicatated by the Soviet Union.

Learn your history Harry.

Your first concentration camp was opened when Poland had no foreign troops at all on its soil.

But do feel free to fall back to the usual claim that Poles only put other Poles in concentration camps because of the Red Army, which wasn't occupying Poland in 1949....


Odd how you seem to want to try the Jews but not bother with the Catholics.


I have learned a bit of history. I know that Stalin died in 1953. So how a camp running in 1956 could have been Stalinist is a bit tricky (unless you are a Pole desperately looking for excuses for why his countrymen ran concentration camps).

Funny how you only give the names of Jews as your "Stalinists". Could it be that you want to imply that no 'proper' Pole would commit communist crimes?

If you haven't tried to make argument by provocation (using lies)

every nation has bad and good people. Everybody knows that many Jews as soon as they have burned their skullcaps have been hunting on all religous or rich (capitalist) people ... religous Jews were victimes as well...

It is like with people who quicked smoking ...

Face some facts. There would be no communism in Poland without Soviets and Yalta. Unfortunatley many people with jewish origin were participating in commie terror after WWII it is fact ... victmes were religous Catholic Poles and Polish Jews many soldiers of anti-nazi resistance and rich people of all origins - it is communsim ...

but commies with Jewish origin are for some people Poles and Jewish victimes are poor Jews persecuted by Poles...

Unfortunatly some people like to talk about anti-semitism ... but it isn't anti-semitism it is 20th century history.

The worst thing is that this people have protection. If I had such origin and commited such crimes I'd defend myself in the same way (the easiest).

Make up your mind and decide who is Jew and who is Pole ... if all bad people with such origin are Poles and all good people with such origin are Jews ... it doesn't make sens.

I admit there were good Poles and bad Poles of all origins but some people have problem with such statement.

I certainly don't have a problem with it.

My point was that it's odd how Poland has gone after Jewish Poles accused of crimes but have let Catholic Poles accused of the same (or worse) crimes off completely free. And also that it's a bit odd that Wolinska and Morel and berman are usually referred to as Jews but neither Gurowska nor Krut nor Gęborski are referred to as Catholics.

Wolinska should have faced trial but then so should the judge who actually handed down the guilty sentence and ordered the execution.

Erm....sorry...but that's a to easy way out!

Without the collaboration of homegrown helpers no occupation would had last long.
It were your own people who made that possible....not some marsians!
I would say, since 1956 you were mostly on your own...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Poland_(1945%E2%80%931989)#Bierut_era_.281948.E2.80.931956.29

When I read world public opinion about situation in pre WWII Poland I see only poor Jews and evil Poles without mentioning their origin ... That is the problem. When we use ethnic key so lets use it to the end, when we don't do it ... we shouldn't do it in anny case.

How many Poles have been murdered by Soviets after WWII?


and German collaboratos have raped all females in Berlin or maybe it was marsians?

Well...the GDR had their own homegrown commies and their Stasi.
I wouldn't blame EVERY pimple on the Russians...seems a hard thing to do for Poles!

Well in every counry you can find commies:

in 1920 Poland fought commies ... so smashing majority of Poles were anti-commie

red star versus white eagle

We had border with Soviets and Poles knew why commusnism is wrong... we have seen refuges from happy commie states ...

Without Red Army it wouldn't be possible ... revolutions in Czech rep. Hungary and what had happend in Poland shows what it wasn't so easy to change system..

Finaly it was Polish Solidarity... who started peaceful revolution in this part of europe.

Now they were back alive and thriving after 1945....polish ones at that!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_communist_party

3.500.000 People! Some Marsians...


What led to what? Perestroika to Solidarnosc or Solidarnosc to Perestroika?