Polish-German Relations in the Present

which counts for naught when as soon as they graduate they come here to pick potatoes or pull chickens guts through their bums(the chickens bum,not the Polish graduates), unfortunatly the UKs towns and cities arnt full of Helmuts and Fritzies but Pawels and Tomeks,while this is the case Poland can only hope to slowly crawl up the economic ladder while Germany,much as it pains me to say was the cheif archetecht of that ladder they now stand near the top of(built by british builders lol ),their graduates are doing graduate level work while many of Polands are not. This cannot susstain a country,look at the republic of Ireland,untill it stopped loosing its best and brightest around the world it was an economic mess and a backwater of bad old days attitudes,now its a beakon of hope for all small nations.

There are more and more well paid jobs in Poland for people with higer education, Poland is changing, wages increased this year about 10%, and "Pawels" or "Tomeks" dont seam to be proud and satsfied form work they do in uk it is realy good that they are not satsfied like some nations being proud they can give pieces of paper towels and perfumes in toilets, what is more you should notice that more and more of them work in better paid jobs ... and Germany with their 100% average of EU GDP (there are new Europeans as well) ... They are not at the top of the EU ladder. they spend 5.2 % of GDP on education what gives them 21 place from 27 OECD countries ... I dont see their system tempting. Yes there are 80 mln people (i m not going to count native Germans), but in my opinion we should support more succesful nations in EU than Germans (they stoped liberalisation of EU services reform because they feel fear to competite with us), Merkel have just lost good time for reforms in her country, she shines now but we will see what will happen in future. To be hones I dont want anything bad for Germans, but their country is weaker than it was 10 year ago in comparison to others, there are more developed countries than they have ...

What is more, yes they pay Euro for our develpoment ... France, UK, Holand, Spain pays as well, so what is wrong we share vison of EU with other nation than Germany ...

What do we contriube, we opened our market for EU products, not for USA or Japan or Russian or Chinease, our import increased about 23% in 2006, so you have some profits. Our labouers are good for your economy as well. And our politicas dont say that when we will be richer we will not pay for poorer. Spain or Ireland in the past were benefits now help us ... I dont care about stereotypes about Poland, I know we are able to be better. Before the war we were richer than a lot of "old europeans" like Spain, Grecee, Sweeden, Norway, Finland ... and just 20 years after geting independence after WWI when we made one country from peaces of different countries with other economies ... Now we are on good way we have 7% GDP increase with the lowes EU inflation, compare it to German or yours... Our society is young and dinamic, we become better educated compare it to germans. Im not telling we want to take political european leadership, but i dont see the reason to dont belive we can show them we are nation with the future. We are nation of individualist our citizens are able to go to foregin coutry earn money and come back and run their own bussines, fortuantely time of marching nations is over, now is the time of nations like we are (dinamic individualists) ...

I like to look on Ireland they had the same problems with they grate civilizated English firends who expolrated their country and were showing them as poor catolic lazy alkoholiks, and now they become richer (per capita) more developed, better educated than UK citizens and everybody know that. The difference betwen us and them is that we are 38 mln nation so we have simillar potential as Spain and I think we rather will go their way of development

According to UK citizens who worked in Germany in the past. Why they are now in UK ?
Poles now started to chose other coutries to work because Germany isnt so strong as they were in the past. What is more merkel isnt going to reform their country, it is germans problem, but we just dont want to folow them, we think there are other countries with better expirience.

and this is the prove of their weaknes:



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I know why you worked in Germany (life conditions) And I think that then they were symbol of success, but now it looks much different.

I didnt read all the posts -

but I am German and I love Poland and the Polish people!

I hope one day that everyone can just forget the past and move on. Poland and Germany could move on to do great things one day!

I hope so as well

The past is directly linked to the future and failure to deal with certain issues leads to long term misunderstandings. The actions of your former Chancellor and the failure of German society to accordingly deal with it have long term implication for Europe. A German Chancellor that sees nothing wrong with joining the KGB mafia at Gazprom should be arrested and for crimes against the German state. The amount of former German politicians linked to Gazprom is shocking to say the least, more shocking is the failure of German society to deal with it.

There is no plan. Poland owes Germany nothing. Poland was helped into the EU because it was the right thing to do. Poland has been part of, and has been contributing towards europe for over 1000 years - it deserves a little more respect. How easy is it for cowards to kick an old man when he's down.

PS. I'm not sulking, moaning, bitter, envious, frustrated bla bla....I'm just saying it the way it is.


I love you too...:)

i totally agree =)


write me an email if your so in love =)

lukasz,Im glad you saw I wasnt trying to say "we're the best" etc or to put Poland down in anyway,as you noticed I pointed out that in the 80s many brits went to germany for work much as Poles now come here. All I meant was that with so many of your young people over here and showing no plans to leave any time soon it would seem as though Poland is on a slow but steadyish course to succes instead of a more rapid advance.

lukasz, do you really think the 3% vote in one region for the ndp is a reall threat to you (poland) or europe in general? I have extreme distaste for the far right but they are still a fringe element,Im sure our"own" scummy bnp types have a higher % rating in the UK but they are not a threat as such............wanders off wondering if the ghost of neville chamberlinn has taken me over.......

I doubt that's a serious threat. What's more dangerous are business opportunity in Russia for German business, thus making Russia, an outside EU country a more interesting partner than Poland. Since Russian foreign politics is in contrast to the polish one it could generate frictions in the future. The question is, on which side will the Germans stand?

30% according new focuses, in some regions they had in last local elections 9% Ihope they will deal with it ...


LOL typical English way of conversation ;)

I prefere our more emotional.

Oh I see a typical stock phrase from western press!!! Who exactly knows that Gasprom is a KGB branch ??? And it's not your affair to decide who should be aressted, I suppose. Well, and how about American oil corporations, where all top management has a deep roots in CIA?


Sure they will be on the profitable side, and i think that it won't be a Poland.

come on constantine :)))) we will give you low-cost cottages ;)))))

and good cars, really good cars ;)

No thanks, we have our own weaving-mills....

my godness, you are so useful ConstantinK ... :)))

Dont kill me Lukasz, pls, I bet I will be usefull for you in the future!!!!

As to our discussion, article form Die Zeit (German newspaper)

I agree in 90% with their statements.

In English (translated by google so there are some mistakes, but all in all you should read it):

Almost everything has changed, says Mirosław Dziewior. Few people get lost in the corridors of the Labour Office of the Millionowastraße in £ódź. Hundreds there were still a few years ago, says director Dziewior, every day, and only a few could make hope of a job. At that time, as in the central Polish city of 60,000 had no jobs and the unemployment rate was around 20 percent.

Today the new jobs depend on dozens of labels on the walls of the Labour Office of, one next to the other, five, six rows one above the other and each row ten, twelve deals. From the region, from all over Poland and also from the UK, Spain, Ireland or Sweden. We are looking for seller. Representatives. Fitters. Installers. Truck drivers. Baker. »Jobs there's enough," says director Dziewior, "there is a lack of people who want them."

Agree too ;)

hhmm,fascinating......

What is this, a competition for the longest link :O)

lol,no,it was all that came up when I followed lukasz's link for the translation...:)

open this website

and translate this article

Football : Borussia Dortmund 2-2 Legia Warszawa (friendly game)

You see, both Poles and Germans are the same, they score the same amount of goals...hmm... ;D LoL

heheh LOL it is not enought ;)


Poles and Germans arent the same, and I m realy glad ( it is exception in my world theory) ;)

LoL what do you mean ? the result is not enough ? ;p

definately :)

hehe ;) why do you think Poles and Germans aren't the same ? I mean, they're not exactly the same (it's a chance ;p) but there are common points between both nations, common history, and there are Poles living in Germany, and Germans living in Poland ;P

durring my studies I have had subject "Cultural differences in the international business" and in some cases we are very simillar, but in other we are extremly different

Yes, if we were totally the same, we would have a common language and only one country for both...hmm...there are differences and similarities, and that's not a bad point...

Yes, I agree, but I noticed that they think they are better than they really are ;) Germans had their moment in industrial era. Because their features of charakter sticked very good to those time, but in my opinion situation have changed and they dont stick so good to new situation, and they should notice this fact ...

As to diplomacy it seams that they realized it is not posible to do business with Russia at the expanse of Poland, but I m not sure. All in all last time they started to accuse their last chancelor Schroeder of being corupted (now he is one of Gasprom menagers), and their ex cancelor started to critisize his own country in Russia, so his decisions from the past look very suspicous even in Germany. Merkel is much better, but she have forgoten to reform her country in right moment ...

To be honest I count on France, and that they reforms will be succesful, and they will move EU in right direction, but with Germans we have more businesses to do together, so I hope that our realtions will be better in future ...

This time 100% agree. Gerries must have everything well planned and they behave like cyborgs, who do exactly what they are told to do and only what they are told to do - that was good in economy until recently but It's not really so usefull anymore.