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noimmigration  
1 Jun 2008 /  #31
what is the point of this, utterly irrelevant rant ?
hairball  20 | 313  
1 Jun 2008 /  #32
before you suggest that others are not smart.

You need to chill out lesser. If you read my post again you will see a Lol in there!
rafik  18 | 589  
1 Jun 2008 /  #33
ROTFL What a pathetic excuse, in your dreams. I see that you are huge loyalist, absolutely blind supporter

you cant just say that everyone who earned money abroad don't need to pay a tax.you don't know how monies were earned(maybe drugs ect).that's why they have to be careful with preparing this law.we will have to fill in some tax forms thus to show that monies we have earned abroad came from a legal source.

i'm not a blind supporter and my support will go away if tusk don't do what he promised.

Both PiS and PO voters think only what "the world" thinks, just your reaction is different. However both groups have really deep inferiority complex,

you don't need to insult people,behave like a peasant from 3rd world country to impress others and gain their respect.showing a bit of intelligence ,respect and creative cooperation will do much better.i'm not saying that we have to agree with everything and lick ones ass(like kaczynski's attitude towards americans)

PO-PiS supporters with inferiority complex.

yes you are right there is about 10% of other parties like sld with superiority complex.if you support sld or any lefties it means that you are a completely blind supporter of the party which ruled for a few yers and did absolutely nothing.well done mate.

So now you can take a dictionary and check what a criminal means. You are same fanatic like many RM listeners

a criminal is someone who commited a crime.father rydzyk commited a few so he is a criminal.whoever works with a criminal is guilty as much as the main culprit.very well known case was when rydzyk stole a few million dollars from his poor and vulnerable(mainly old pensioners with mentality of a sheep needing a shepherd)supporters who sent money to rescue the gdans shipyard.these money have never reached its destination and rydzyk failed to explain where these money went.
hairball  20 | 313  
1 Jun 2008 /  #34
father rydzyk commited a few so he is a criminal

I think his anti semetic comments were illeagal too!
Puzzy  1 | 150  
1 Jun 2008 /  #35
a criminal is someone who commited a crime.father rydzyk commited a few so he is a criminal

- What specific crimes did Father Rydzyk commit, according to you? Give the pertinent evidence. If you don't, you should be regarded as a slanderer. Isn't slander a crime? Shouldn't slanderers be punished for the hateful lies they spread?

I think his anti semetic comments were illeagal too!

- What does 'anti semetic' signify? Perhaps 'antisemantic'? If so, and if being antisemantic is a crime, then you are a criminal, pal.
:)
hairball  20 | 313  
1 Jun 2008 /  #36
Firstly: I'm not your pal.

Secondly: If you would like to correct my English, maybe you should check your correction is correct first. there is no such word as "antisemantic" but there is anti-Semetic.

dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=3203&dict=CALD

Thirdly: How does that make me a criminal?
rafik  18 | 589  
1 Jun 2008 /  #37
What specific crimes did Father Rydzyk commit, according to you? Give the pertinent evidence.

make sure that you read the whole thing not just the first line of my post.this is a well known and documented case:

ojciec-dyrektor.de/stocznia.htm

ther is a link for you or just google rydzyk's name and swiadectwa udzialowe.
.you probably have been an imigrant for too many years to remember that.have i stolen a few hundreds dollars(let alone a few million) from poor pensioners i would have been jailed.unfortunately he is a head of the radio with about 10 million supporters.can you imagine what would happened these 10 million people turned against the church in poland?or decided to vote against a certain political party?

that's why this geezer rydzyk is still in power and drives maybach.
there is another link for english speaking fellas: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Maryja

and a short sentence form vikipedia:

Radio Maryja raised millions of Polish zlotys from donors to save the historical shipyard in Gdańsk (where Solidarity was founded). The shipyard did not receive the money, however, as Father Rydzyk's associate lost millions of Polish zlotys on the stock market[12].
Puzzy  1 | 150  
1 Jun 2008 /  #38
rafik

- All the accusations against Father Rydzyk have been investigated by the Polish authorities and proven to be false. Facts show the accusations were fabricated by the likes of the Gazeta Wyborcza and other media hate-mongers, eager to destroy any influential independent (i.e. not politically correct) media in order to have the monopoly on the media biz in Poland. You're an avid reader of Michnik's rag, aren't you? Also, learn what the Solidarity leadership of the Gdansk Shipyard have said on the subject. They have defended Father Rydzyk. But you apparently, er, know better and like a parrot repeat Michnik's lies.

you probably have been an imigrant for too many years to remember that

- To remember specifically what? What if I am not an immigrant? And even if I were an immigrant, what if my being an immigrant had no bearing on what I remember or not?

would have been jailed.unfortunately he is a head of the radio with about 10 million supporters

- Are you actually accusing the Polish authorities of lying and purposely protecting a criminal, i.e. breaking the law? Can you prove they lied when they indicated they had found the accusations against Father Rydzyk to be false?

Wikipedia can be considered a credible source by dumb folks only, I think. Are you capable of figuring out why I think so?
:)
Kilkline  1 | 682  
2 Jun 2008 /  #39
We Poles should rather head back home and try to make it there

Where are you?
Puzzy  1 | 150  
3 Jun 2008 /  #40
- I'm travelling in Europe. Why are you asking?
Kilkline  1 | 682  
3 Jun 2008 /  #41
Because if you're a Pole telling other Poles they shouldnt leave Poland and those that are abroad should return, then your whereabouts are relevant to how much credence people should give your opinions.
lesser  4 | 1311  
3 Jun 2008 /  #42
you cant just say that everyone who earned money abroad don't need to pay a tax.you don't know how monies were earned(maybe drugs ect).that's why they have to be careful with preparing this law.we will have to fill in some tax forms thus to show that monies we have earned abroad came from a legal source.
i'm not a blind supporter and my support will go away if tusk don't do what he promised.

I wonder how anybody could believe in such weak excuses. Let me remind you that during election campaign Tusk went to the UK and said that they already have proper project. Later they find out that abolition might be unconstitutional and even if all mainstream parties were supposed to support this solution somehow problem became unresolvable. There is no will to change anything in this country. Everything what they do is surrendering more and more competences to Brussels bureaucracy even if this would be unconstitutional.

you don't need to insult people,behave like a peasant from 3rd world country to impress others and gain their respect.showing a bit of intelligence ,respect and creative cooperation will do much better.i'm not saying that we have to agree with everything and lick ones ass(like kaczynski's attitude towards americans)

WOW, Mr Rafik reserve to himself the right to offend anybody he dislike but treated in similar manner seems to be offended.

yes you are right there is about 10% of other parties like sld with superiority complex.if you support sld or any lefties it means that you are a completely blind supporter of the party which ruled for a few yers and did absolutely nothing.well done mate.

Of course I'm not and I think that those people have even bigger inferiority complex.

a criminal is someone who commited a crime.father rydzyk commited a few so he is a criminal.

You don't have any evidence, Rydzyk was never sentenced, somehow nobody feel to be his victim. This leads to the conclusion that you blindly believe in every media report about him. Unless you think that RM people control prosecutors and courts in this country. If so I leave such opinion without comment, speak for itself.

I think his anti semetic comments were illeagal too!

What is with freedom of speech? Who would judge what is anti-Semitic and was is not? (basing on what criteria?) Of course similar ideas wont come to your mind with let say anti-Polish or anti-German comments. So remember that if you want rise of anti-Jewish sentiments in Europe, you must award the Jews some exclusive rights unavailable for others. This is psychological matter, because social groups, favorites of central authorities are always hated by the rest of the society.
Puzzy  1 | 150  
3 Jun 2008 /  #43
but there is anti-Semetic.

- Is there? Wherein? In your own personal 'dictionary,' perhaps, pal?
:)

then your whereabouts are relevant to how much credence people should give your opinions.

- How specifically should those whereabouts of mine be relevant to the credence in question?
:)
hairball  20 | 313  
4 Jun 2008 /  #44
- Is there? Wherein? In your own personal 'dictionary,' perhaps, pal?

Pusy -oops there I go miss-spelling again- you're obviously a blind idiot so I'll post the link for you again. [dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=3203&dict=CALD]

anti-Semitic
adjective
anti-Semitic propaganda
anti-Semitic remarks

(from Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary)

What is with freedom of speech?

There's a difference between feedom of speach and inciting racial hatred. And as his comments were recorded and broadcast in thier entirety there is no denying what he did.

That's why in the UK they changed the law to stop people spilling thier hate onto the streeds and hiding under the banner of "freedom of speach!"

Of course similar ideas wont come to your mind with let say anti-Polish or anti-German comments.

Well actually lesser they would!
Puzzy  1 | 150  
5 Jun 2008 /  #45
oops there I go miss-spelling again- you're obviously a blind idiot

- Don't uneducated ignorant folks misspell frequently? Is hairboob one of them? Isn't it he, therefore, who ought to be called an idiot?

anti-Semitic

- Ah, so hairboob meant the word 'anti-Semitic' rather than, hehe, 'anti-semetic'? Would he actually know what the word 'anti-Semitic' means? I myself must admit that I don't know what it means, even though I've been trying to understand the meaning of the word for long years. So what 'anti-Semitic' means, hairboob? If you answer, you've got the chance to improve your 'idiot' reputation. Also, are you suggesting Father Rydzyk is 'anti-Semitic'? If so, please explain what you would mean by that, using pertinent evidence, of course. Good luck, hairbum.

:)

To go back to the subject of this thread, 4 years since Poland joined the EU, the French are allowing the Poles to work in France. Within those 4 years, numerous folks from Africa, Asia and other non-EU places were allowed to live and work in France....
lesser  4 | 1311  
5 Jun 2008 /  #46
Well actually lesser they would!

Our courts are already paralyzed because of many ridiculous laws and you would like to add more. I already see all those "offended" rightfully or not demanding "justice". I don't advocate any legal punishment for anti-Polish comments (whatever that means) unless this is not advocating murder. Even in this forum you would find few "offended" each every day.
Puzzy  1 | 150  
5 Jun 2008 /  #47
I don't advocate any legal punishment for anti-Polish comments (whatever that means)

- Of course, when it comes to Poles being vilified by the lowest scum of the earth, the various lessers of this world not only 'advocate' letting the slandering scum go unpunished, but muse whether any 'anti-Polish comments' are possible at all. Playing being 'liberal' and 'open-minded,' pal? I wonder if you showed equal 'tolerance' if some 'minority' group were slammed the way Poles are, e.g. on this forum?
lesser  4 | 1311  
5 Jun 2008 /  #48
If this is your opinion why you argue with hairball? You shoudl agree.

Anyways this is private forum and owner may do what he wants.
OP scorpio  20 | 188  
5 Jun 2008 /  #49
Playing being 'liberal' and 'open-minded,' pal? I wonder if you were equally 'tolerant' if some 'minority' group was slammed the way Poles are, e.g. on this forum.

Puzzy, excellent point. It seems there are double standards when it comes to what is 'politically correct' and isn't. When the media and book publishers falsify historical facts about Poland, and label all Poles as being anti this-and-that, this is ok and goes unchallenged by most discrimination eyewatch groups. There is no law for revisionist views of Polish history, similar to holocaust denial. All ethnic and religious groups should be treated equally. No one group should be favored.
lesser  4 | 1311  
5 Jun 2008 /  #50
It seems there are double standards when it comes to what is 'politically correct' and isn't.

I defended Father Rydzyk in this thread only to be called a "politically correct". Outstanding! :)
Puzzy  1 | 150  
5 Jun 2008 /  #51
When the media and book publishers falsify historical facts about Poland, and label all Poles as being anti this-and-that, this is ok and goes unchallenged by most discrimination eyewatch groups. There is no law for revisionist views of Polish history

- Right on the money, brother.

All ethnic and religious groups should be treated equally. No one group should be favored.

- I subscribe to this wholeheartedly. There are indeed some 'groups' who are more equal than others.
monica23  1 | 8  
5 Jun 2008 /  #52
In reference to the Marshall Plan, during the years 1948-1951,

The essence of Marshall plan is not a aid plan. When the popurse of US is to keep the balance of European. So

The largest recipients were: UK ($3.3 billion), France ($2.3 billion), West Germany ($1.5 billion).

The countries received aid just some strong ones, who can effect the condition of EU in sight of US at that time. So it's not strange that Poland hadn't received any.

Let's say now. Poland have gotten soar development by hands of poles. You should be proud of this.
z_darius  14 | 3960  
5 Jun 2008 /  #53
So it's not strange that Poland hadn't received any.

The reason there was none other but the the communist fools under the soviet boot.
Poland was offered the aid.
Puzzy  1 | 150  
6 Jun 2008 /  #54
but the the communist fools under the soviet boot.

- Not such fools as zdarius the cat seems to fancy. The real reason why the Poles did not benefit from the Marshall Plan appears to be the Soviet despot Stalin. In the name of severing any closer ties with the 'rotting imperialistic West' (and keeping the Poles weak and underdeveloped), Stalin forbid his obedient puppets ruling Soviet-occupied 'Poland' to take advantage of the Marshall Plan. Stalin's puppets ruling Poland were no fools but actually very cunning. Meow.
OP scorpio  20 | 188  
6 Jun 2008 /  #55
Well said Puzzy. That is precisely the reason.
noimmigration  
6 Jun 2008 /  #56
britian paid back all aid (with interest) given to them by the united states circa; 1945. In the ninties.
It was a loan not some handout.
z_darius  14 | 3960  
6 Jun 2008 /  #57
Not such fools as zdarius the cat seems to fancy. The real reason why the Poles did not benefit from the Marshall Plan appears to be the Soviet despot Stalin.

Strangely, both of us are correct, give or take a technicality or two. Cyrankiewicz was responsible for the refusal. Of course, he did what he did after he saw that Czechoslovakia got in trouble with Stalin for accepting the plan.
Puzzy  1 | 150  
6 Jun 2008 /  #58
Strangely, both of us are correct

- Of course zdarius the cat is 'correct' - in the Orwellian sense. Incorrect is correct! Zdarius the cat is always correct, even when he is incorrect! MEOW!

:)
Kilkline  1 | 682  
6 Jun 2008 /  #59
- How specifically should those whereabouts of mine be relevant to the credence in question?

If you are/were taking advantage of working abroad and are telling others not to do so then this would make you a hypocrite.

Have you been working abroad?
Puzzy  1 | 150  
6 Jun 2008 /  #60
If you are/were taking advantage of working abroad

- So if a man works abroad and advises others not to do that he is necessarily a hypocrite? Why? Imagine the following situation. A man works abroad. The work is extremely dangerous and the man cannot quit yet. He knows some countrymen of his who don't know the work is so dangerous and consider going abroad and getting the job. He warns them not to come. Is he a hypocrite or an honest man?

Have you been working abroad?

- Well, if some one whom I respect, that is some one intelligent, asked me the above question, I would satisfy his curiosity instantly, but when you're asking the question it's just too ad-hominem and invasive to me. Hence I won't tell YOU whether I have been working abroad or not.

:)

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