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France to lift job restrictions on Poles


scorpio 20 | 188  
29 May 2008 /  #1
Very nice [iht.com/articles/ap/2008/05/28/europe/EU-GEN-Poland-France-Workers.php] article in today's "International Herald Tribune".

Highlights:

- As of July 1, workers from Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Slovenia and the Czech Republic will be able to seek jobs in France without restrictions.

- Kaczynski praised France's decision, calling it "very important," especially because it covers all professions.

- Poles still face work restrictions in Germany, Austria, Denmark and Belgium.

Comments:

Merci France! It is suprising that Germany still has stiff restrictions on Poles working in their country legally. Poland allows Germnay to invest in all areas of the economy, opening stores and factories, etc. Germany should reciprocate to be fair. All in all, this is very good news regarding France.
espana 17 | 910  
29 May 2008 /  #2
Poles still face work restrictions in Germany, Austria, Denmark and Belgium

wankers!!!!!
SuhasRao - | 3  
29 May 2008 /  #3
very nice to hear it.now i became happy
SuhasRao
noimmigration  
30 May 2008 /  #4
Poland allows Germnay to invest in all areas of the economy, opening stores and factories, etc.

you say this like poland is doing germany a favour. Its the other way round, polands economy is booming SOLELY, because western nations are investing heavily in poland.

Germany should reciprocate to be fair.

FAIR ???? do you know the millions of euros poland is siphoning from the eu. Where do you think the finance to build all your new roads etc is coming from. ???

poland gets FAR more out of the eu than what germany, britain, frane, italy get etc.

you are an eastern european nation for christ sake. we owe you nothing, the germans owe you nothing either.
Bartolome 2 | 1,085  
30 May 2008 /  #5
ou are an eastern european nation for christ sake.

SFW ?

we owe you nothing, the germans owe you nothing either.

It's about business, not owing anything anyone.
rafik 18 | 589  
30 May 2008 /  #6
As of July 1, workers from Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Slovenia and the Czech Republic will be able to seek jobs in France without restrictions.

it's too late.most of the people who wanted to leave to improve their lives or to earn some money have already settled in england,ireland(this are the countries who benefited most from the migration of mostly young,energetic,educated and mobile people) ect. or are going back to poland.i don't think that a lot of people will go there.

Kaczynski praised France's decision

wow.kaczynski twins are the worst :ex-prime minister and the president poland ever had.they branded all immigrants as "losers" and kept the hated double tax on money earned abroad for 3 years.the only people that they cared about were easy managable undereducated idiots or old people,who often are the followers of the well known sect called "Radio Maryja".easy on the miners hard on vulnerable people like doctors,teachers ect.they are the last people to care about jobs in france.

Germany

-500.000 poles applied and were granted work permit in 2004 or 5(i can't remember) so who cares
Austria, Denmark and Belgium-Double who cares.we the poles let them employ marrocans and all hard working,benefit avoiding muslims.
Michal - | 1,865  
31 May 2008 /  #7
Poland joined the E.U because they thought that they were going to be bailed out in another more modern Marshall plan like there was for Western European countries at the end of the Second World War. The Poles are always the same-they give very little but when offered an inch they simply 'take a mile'.
cyg 5 | 119  
31 May 2008 /  #8
The Poles are always the same-they give very little but when offered an inch they simply 'take a mile'.

And that makes them soooooo different than everyone else.

Poland allows Germnay to invest in all areas of the economy, opening stores and factories, etc. Germany should reciprocate to be fair.

Well, Germany does reciprocate - by allowing Polish companies to invest and do business in Germany as well. Movement of labor is a different bag of bananas, and Germans AFAIK can't work in Poland without permits either.
Bartolome 2 | 1,085  
31 May 2008 /  #9
Poland joined the E.U because they thought that they were going to be bailed out in another more modern Marshall plan like there was for Western European countries at the end of the Second World War.

Thanks to your effing Soviet motherland Poles were denied a great leap forward offered to them by Americans in a form of the Marshall Plan. It's time we fully rejoin Europe where we belong.
Frank 23 | 1,183  
31 May 2008 /  #10
It's time we fully rejoin Europe where we belong.

Here here......look....forward now....fill your minds with positive things, blank out your endlessly inept politically leaders...for the last 40 yrs its been the man in the street who has taken the real lead....whether as part of the Solidarity movement or the 100000s who went abroad to at least restore their own personal pride and earn some money...respect to those who have come from a repressed former state with conservative mind sets...who've broken away from the a-s-s-h-o-l-e mitherings of your latest set of leaders......

wow.kaczynski twins are the worst :ex-prime minister and the president poland ever had.they branded all immigrants as "losers" and kept the hated double tax on money earned abroad for 3 years.

Can someone clarify how this worked and impacted?...thanks!

the germans owe you nothing either.

Sorry....but the German race owes the human race...big time......for the next few hundred years.......don't lets forget....their single minded efforts to exterminate, races, nations and states.....Poland being at the forefront.....it was anything but war after your country was conquered, ridding the world of Poland and its people was going to happen, believe me!

Long live Polska!
southern 75 | 7,096  
31 May 2008 /  #11
As of July 1, workers from Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Slovenia and the Czech Republic will be able to seek jobs in France without restrictions.

Maybe French have the desire to become more white.
OP scorpio 20 | 188  
31 May 2008 /  #12
FAIR ???? do you know the millions of euros poland is siphoning from the eu. Where do you think the finance to build all your new roads etc is coming from. ???

poland gets FAR more out of the eu than what germany, britain, frane, italy get etc.

you are an eastern european nation for christ sake. we owe you nothing, the germans owe you nothing either.

In reference to the Marshall Plan, during the years 1948-1951, Western European nations received $12 billion US dollars in aid to rebuild after WWII. The largest recipients were: UK ($3.3 billion), France ($2.3 billion), West Germany ($1.5 billion). Adjust these figures for inflation and convert this to today's value. It's an enormous sum. Poland never received any of this aid due to the Soviet Union's influence and control, thus preventing all Eastern Block nations from taking part in the Marshall Plan. So tell me, who received a hand out? Poland was further occupied for the next 45 years until 1990. Think about it. Most Western European nations had this enormous monetary aid and time advantage to rebuild. Poland has only just begun.

It is quite surprising that Germany, who instigated WWII, was the cause of millions of deaths and destruction of entire cities and infrastructures, was part of the opposing Axis countries, along with Italy, received this sort of aid. Poland was one of the most devoted Allied countries during WWII with the largest underground operation, and ended up betrayed and neglected by its allies.

I'm not saying Germany shouldn't have received aid, however, Poland didn't.

Poland is not an "Eastern European" nation. It is a "Central European" nation, culturally and geographically.
Puzzy 1 | 150  
31 May 2008 /  #13
Maybe French have the desire to become more white.

:)

Sarkozy appealed to the Poles to take in more immigrants. I hope he didn't mean those from the Third World? There are huge masses of them not only in France, but also in UK, Italy, Belgium, Holland, Sweden.... And more and more are coming in - somebody is keeping the floodgates open. Who is it, I wonder? :) The opening of French and other foreign jobmarkets for us isn't such good news, I think. We Poles should rather head back home and try to make it there - and keep Poland Polish and European. And it shall happen so, actually.

:)
hairball 20 | 313  
31 May 2008 /  #14
it's too late

There are still too many who are leaving but the worst is in France you will have to speak very good French or they won't talk to you. Forget English, even if they can speak it they won't.

well known sect called "Radio Maryja".

Yes! The new "scandle" is regarding some commission that comercial redio stations have to pay if they have advertisements. It would seem they are breaking the rules and still not paying.

do you know the millions of euros poland is siphoning from the eu

Still spewing out hate noimmi. That's quite rich comming from someone who recieves state hand outs and doesn't pay tax.
Michal - | 1,865  
31 May 2008 /  #15
Poland was further occupied for the next 45 years until 1990. Think about it. Most Western European nations had this enormous monetary aid and time advantage to rebuild. Poland has o

It is not true to say that Poland was 'occupied'-rather Poland was protected from Western Capitalist invasion threats by Russia, which had, after all, given so much that Poland could live in Socialist peace and freedom. Poland voted for socialism after all the horrors of World War 2.
southern 75 | 7,096  
31 May 2008 /  #16
Poland voted for socialism after

When did that happen?In the elections of 1989?
Bartolome 2 | 1,085  
31 May 2008 /  #17
It is not true to say that Poland was 'occupied'-rather Poland was protected from Western Capitalist invasion threats by Russia, which had, after all, given so much that Poland could live in Socialist peace and freedom.

Are you taking the pish ?
Puzzy 1 | 150  
31 May 2008 /  #18
When did that happen?In the elections of 1989?

- I can see you're talking to a swine? Not afraid to get your clothes soiled?
:)
southern 75 | 7,096  
31 May 2008 /  #19
He writes nonsense that Poles voted for communists while in 1989 the communist party in Poland took only 5% in the first free elections.The Poles never voted the communist party after WW2.
Shawn_H  
31 May 2008 /  #20
He writes nonsense

Come, come now. Michal is one of the most respected, trustworthy poster's on this entire forum. It is his Unbiased, thoughtful account of true history and modern life in Poland, and his impecable translations that keeps me coming back for more...
rafik 18 | 589  
31 May 2008 /  #21
Can someone clarify how this worked and impacted?...thanks!

example
poland
you earn up to 20000(before 2007 5.6 for 1zl=3571£)zlper year your tax is 19%
20.000-35000(up to6250£) per year your tax is say 26%
over 35000 zl your tax is 42% .
nobody in the uk earns less than 6250 so basically we were supposed to pay the difference between 42%(this is our tax rate in poland) and 26%(tax rate in the uk)

i was supposed to pay 72000 zl of tax for 3 years(together with my wife) and obviously didn't do because earning money here would be pointless.i dont know a single person who paid this tax

impact-2000000 people who are criminals and can't invest their money in poland unless ones family wants to help.this is how i did it.the flat i bought is my father's in law.it cost me money time and will cost even more money in solicitors fees in a few years.so, basically without trustworthy people we,the immigrants, can't do anything.

There are still too many who are leaving but the worst is in France you will have to speak very good French or they won't talk to you. Forget English, even if they can speak it they won't.

true.i only know one person who went to france to work

. It would seem they are breaking the rules

they were are and will be breaking the rules as long as the church is so powerfull in poland and its politicians are so arse licking towards the bishops and vatican.
Puzzy 1 | 150  
31 May 2008 /  #22
The Poles never voted the communist party after WW2.

- Nor ever before that. The swines - yes, they did.
:)
OP scorpio 20 | 188  
31 May 2008 /  #23
Poland voted for socialism after all the horrors of World War 2.

Ridiculous statement. Poland 'never' supported nor voted for socialism / communism. It was 'imposed' upon them against their own will by the Soviet Union (Russia). Roosevelt (USA), Stalin (Russia), and Churchill (UK) further sealed Poland's fate during the Yalta Conference. At this agreement, Stalin demanded a Soviet sphere of political influence in Poland-Czech-Hungary-etc, as essential to the USSR's national security. "Accordingly, Stalin stipulated some of his Polish demands were not negotiable: the Russians would keep the territory they had already annexed in eastern Poland, and Poland was to be compensated for that by extending its Western borders at the expense of Germany. Stalin promised free elections in Poland despite the recently-installed Communist puppet government. However the Western Powers soon saw that Stalin would not honour his free elections promise. The elections, held in January 1947 resulted in Poland's official transformation to a socialist state by 1949; they were considered rigged to favour pro-Soviet political parties." Major points:

- The status of Poland was discussed.It was agreed to reorganize the communist Provisional Government of the Republic of Poland that had been set up by the Red Army.

- The Polish eastern border would follow the Curzon Line, and Poland would receive territorial compensation in the west from Germany.

Poland's borders and government were all decided by Stalin, Roosevelt, and Churchill without considering a Polish voice in this meeting. As a result, Poland was indeed 'occupied' for the next 45 years by the Soviet Union (Russia). Even the Russian language was taught in public schools as a second language. I believe that was mandatory during Soviet rule.
southern 75 | 7,096  
31 May 2008 /  #24
in Poland-Czech-Hungary-etc, as essential to the USSR's national security

Poland was needed for military reasons.Czechoslovakia voted the communist party in 1948.Hungary had a nazi past,a communist government in 1922 and had agreed to fight with Soviets against Germany in order to avoid punishment for its attitude during the war.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
31 May 2008 /  #25
wow.kaczynski twins are the worst :ex-prime minister and the president poland ever had.they branded all immigrants as "losers" and kept the hated double tax on money earned abroad for 3 years.the only people that they cared about were easy managable undereducated idiots or old people,who often are the followers of the well known sect called "Radio Maryja".easy on the miners hard on vulnerable people like doctors,teachers ect.they are the last people to care about jobs in france.

I'm just curious what would you write about Tusk and what he done with above mentioned problems. Personally I'm sick and tired with PO and PiS loyalists blaming each other while their politicians are similarly incompetent.

Yes! The new "scandle" is regarding some commission that comercial redio stations have to pay if they have advertisements. It would seem they are breaking the rules and still not paying.

How do you know that they have advertisements? How often you spend your time listening to RM?

Poland voted for socialism after all the horrors of World War 2.

This statement sounds silly from the mouth of somebody who for sure voting for socialism during every elections. I don't even comment "accuratenesses" of this statment.

they were are and will be breaking the rules as long as the church is so powerfull in poland and its politicians are so arse licking towards the bishops and vatican.

How about you stop licking arse of Brussels bureaucrats?
rafik 18 | 589  
31 May 2008 /  #26
I'm just curious what would you write about Tusk and what he done with above mentioned problems. Personally I'm sick and tired with PO and PiS loyalists blaming each other while their politicians are similarly incompetent

he is preparing the law which will sort it out by the end of this year.it is not simple cuz he doesn't want simple criminals to gain on it.kaczynski's did absolutely nothing.oh sorry they managed to get different people jumping to each others throats.they were laughed at in europe and in other parts of the world.you don't need to threaten everyone to get their respect.

How about you stop licking arse of Brussels bureaucrats

typical comment of a PIS (never -been -out -of- his -village)supporter

How often you spend your time listening to RM?

i only listened them for about 30 minutes and the amount of venom there could kill the whole country.absolutely disguisting criminals
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
31 May 2008 /  #27
Russia, which had, after all, given so much that Poland could live in Socialist peace and freedom

Poles appreciated that giving so much that many risked their lives to stop the avalanche of gifts - going from Poland to Russia.

Poland voted for socialism after all the horrors of World War 2.

If you refer to the "3 Razy Tak" vote then you must know that the results were falsified. Poland was occupied by the USSR until 1989.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
1 Jun 2008 /  #28
he is preparing the law which will sort it out by the end of this year.it is not simple cuzhe doesn't want simple criminals to gain on it

ROTFL What a pathetic excuse, in your dreams. I see that you are huge loyalist, absolutely blind supporter.

kaczynski's did absolutely nothing.oh sorry they managed to get different people jumping to each others throats.they were laughed at in europe and in other parts of the world.you don't need to threaten everyone to get their respect.

Both PiS and PO voters think only what "the world" thinks, just your reaction is different. However both groups have really deep inferiority complex, a huge one.

typical comment of a PIS (never -been -out -of- his -village)supporter

Complete lack of understanding of politics. Sorry to crush your bubble but this country is not composed only from PO-PiS supporters with inferiority complex.

i only listened them for about 30 minutes and the amount of venom there could kill the whole country.absolutely disguisting criminals

So now you can take a dictionary and check what a criminal means. You are same fanatic like many RM listeners.
hairball 20 | 313  
1 Jun 2008 /  #29
true.i only know one person who went to france to work

I know four but they work for Brits.

church is so powerfull in poland

A little too powerful I think. And like you point out it's mixed with politics and that's a very dangerouse combination.

How do you know that they have advertisements? How often you spend your time listening to RM?

I don't listen to it at all lesser. I'm much smater than that. lol. I know about this because it happened and was reported on Radio Trójka which I listen to on my bus!
lesser 4 | 1,311  
1 Jun 2008 /  #30
I don't listen to it at all lesser. I'm much smater than that. lol. I know about this because it happened and was reported on Radio Trójka which I listen to on my bus!

The fact that you don't listen to RM doesn't means that you are smart. Neither the fact that you listen to Trójka. Keep this in mind before you suggest that others are not smart.

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