Dealing with constant insults against Polish

lol.... oh dear Katerina.. where did it go wrong?

Well, the most powerful man in the world has made bigger howlers. We are told he is a native speaker :)

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Hitler's 2 speeches after invading Poland (parts of speeches)

From Hitler's Speech of Sept. 19, 1939 in Danzig (Gdansk Poland)

At this moment we want to give the Polish soldier absolute justice. At many points the Pole fought bravely. His lower leadership made desperate efforts, his middle-grade leadership was too unintelligent, his highest leadership was bad, judged by any standard. His organization was - Polish...

hitler.org/speeches/09-13-39.html

From Hitler's Speech of Oct 6, 1939
Towns as well as villages are in a state of neglect. The roads, with very few exceptions, are badly out of repair and in a terrible condition. Anyone who travels in that country for two or three weeks will get the proper idea of the classical German term 'Polnische Wirtschaft,' meaning a 'Polish state of affairs!'

hitler.org/speeches/10-06-39.html

What Hitler failed to say in his speeches about Poland is that much of the problems Poland had in the early part of the 20th century was because of Poland being destroyed and pushed off the map from 1795-1917 by Germany, Russia and Austria.

Poland was basically licking its wounds and catching its breath in the early part of the 20th Century when it was back on the map.

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In Hitler's two anti-Polish speeches shortly after he invaded Poland, he constantly berates the Polish people as "culturally inferior", "intellectually inferior" and says how ethnic Germans in Polish land should not be ruled by "culturally inferior"/Slavic Poles.

What Hitler fails to talk about is how these Germans were injected into Polish territory against the will of the Poles when Poland was brutally whiped off the map by the collaboration of Germany, Austria and Russia from 1795-1917 (Although in fairness to Austria, Poles under Austrian control were treated relatively well). Therefore Germany had no right to territory inside of Poland. Its almost like Mexico saying it has a right to Southern California territory because there is a large Mexican population there.

Hitler IGNORES all of the brutal treatment and ethnic cleansing Pre-WWII Germany did to Poland and how any "bad treatment" of Poland towards Germans living IN Polish territory, afterwards, was a result of that. Also Germans living IN Poland REFUSED to assimilate into Poland, while living IN Poland, which the ethno-centric idiot Hilter IGNORED.

Nothing is balck and white. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bambrzy



Fountain of Bamberka in a married woman's dress on Old Market in Poznań

Bambrzy (Poznańskie Bambry, German: Posener Bamberger) are the Poles of German origin, the descendants of Germans who moved from the area of Bamberg (Upper Franconia, Germany) to villages surrounding Poznań, Poland.

The Polonisation of this group was a voluntary act and happened very quickly. The settlers refused to build their own churches, prayed with Poles, and their children learned the Polish language. There were also many mixed marriages with Poles living there. At the end of the 19th century, during the Kulturkampf period, all Catholics in villages inhabited by Bambrzy chose Polish nationality during Prussian and German censuses.

Many of them were soldiers of the Polish army fighting in Great Poland Uprising. During the German occupation of Poland most of them, just as most Poles, were persecuted for their Polishness.



The advent of democracy in Poland in 1989 saw the beginning of a renaissance of the Bamber culture. The best-known aspect of this culture are the rich female dresses.

Poznan,

You are correct not everything is all black or white.

I was only referring to those Germans that Hitler was referring to that did not want to assimilate into Poland. If they assimilated totally into Poland then Hitler would not have used them as an excuse to invade Poland to "protect them" against the Poles. Assimilated Germans in Poland would not need "protection" by Hitler.

Having said that. I have nothing against Germans today since most of them reject Nazism. Also relatively speaking, Germany and Poland have decent relations as of recently.

In a way Germany is similar to Poland in that Germany sometimes gets unfairly smeared by Hollywood and the media. For example, the American media is reluctant to report on German pride parades like they are on the Pulaski day parades. The media is reluctant to say good things about both Germany and Poland.

So in your opinion this anti- Polish campaign is still being implemented by the American media? I'd like to hear more from you in this regard.

I dunno about you but I haven't heard any real racist type jokes about Poles on TV in years. I'd say the "hey day" of Polish jokes was in the 60's and 70's with shows like "All in the Family". I know Howard Stern's gotta problem with us (him being an American Jew) and I heard Opie and Anthony on the radio call Poles "stupid Polaks" sometime in 2001. But they've been off the air in my area for years.

Some Germans were assimilated some weren't. Some Jews were assimilated some weren't. In different regions we had different proportions. Generaly Germans settled by force in 19 century weren't assimilated and they were loyal to their country. Half of Poland was part of Germany ... Those settled before partions were mostly polonisated.

I don't care about Polish americans. If we talk about anti-Polish campaing. Polish Americans made anti Poznań campaing in their press (long time ago) and in Poznań "you" are not popular.

rychlik,

In general I do agree with you. The Hollywood/TV media hate campaign in the form of racist "jokes" against Poles in general has declined since the 1970's because Polish Americans have spoken out against it over the years.

But it does pop up every so often in the media like when the Anti-Polish bigot Amy Poehler of Saturday Night Live was telling racist "jokes" against Poles on March 15, 2008 and April 12, 2008 in her Weekend Update segment (shortly after people in talk radio denounced Amy Poehler's anti-Polish bigotry). In addition if you watch some movies such as "Bruce Almighty" (2003) with Jim Carrey or "S.W.A.T" (2003) with Samuel Jackson, the producers of those movies portray Polish people in a deragatory way which reflects their own Anti-Polish prejudice.

Also what part of the country do you live in? As for Opie and Anthony they are still on here in the New City Area and other parts of the country but I don't think they are prejudice against Poles per se. Knock on wood, I haven't really heard them say anything against Poles recently. I heard something about them saying some anti-Polish jokes back in 2000 and 2001 but in fairness to them, they seem to dish it out against many ethnic and racial groups and I don't think they focus on the Polish the way past Anti-Polish bigots in the media have. Although I don't like seeing any group of people being put down, if someone is going to put down people, they should do it equally against all groups to be fair.

As for Howard Stern, his racist jokes against Poles, appears to be prompted by the Anti-Polish propaganda circulating within a certain element of the Jewish community. Its the same Anti-Polish propaganda that has prompted Old Left-Wing Hollywood American Jews like Norman Lear to make 1970's Anti-Polish shows like "All in the Family" or George Schlatter to make the old "Laugh-In" show where Poles were ridiculed and attacked with racist jokes constantly in front of tens of millions of viewers.

Basically this Anti-Polish propaganda within this element of the Jewish community that has prompted American Jews to attack Poles in the media is this ONE SIDED notion that Poland for 1000 years was a "horrible anti-semetic country". This is total propaganda since PROPORTIONALLY speaking Poland was much more Pro-Semitic then all other nations, since it ALLOWED Jews to BUILD their families and culture FOR 1000 YEARS when MOST other nations were REJECTING Jews.

The Great Rabbi Moses Isserles basically said "If it were not for Poland the existence of the tribe of Israel would have been an unbearable burden". Rabbi Moses basically was thanking the fact that Poland existed for Jews, but sadly the Pole-haters in the Jewish community have IGNORED his Pro-Poland writings.

Having said this, I want to point out that there is good and bad in all groups of people. There are many good American Jews (mostly moderate and conservative) that are against anti-Polish jokes and who have defended Poland against defamation and have spoken about how Poland is a good Pro-American nation. It seems most of the defamation against Poles over the years have come from intolerant Leftist supremacists in the media.

Well...why didn't the Poles assimilate totally during the partitions?
The millions of dead later would have been avoided...

You're out of your mind.

What an insane ridiculous question to ask since what was being done to Poland was illegal to say the least during the partitions. So if China and Russia both invaded and partitioned America, Americans should "assimilate" into the Chinese and Russian parts of the US?

Brat wurst Boy, Don't you have a German meeting or website to attend to? Why do you come to a website about Poland, especially to a topic link about Insults to Poles?

MediaWatch
Thanks for that great answer. I actually live in Toronto, Canada. In terms of media, we are saturated with American shows and news. We used to get Stern and Opie and Anthony up here but they were taken off the air. Has Stern smeared the Poles lately on his show??

I have seen S.W.A.T and know exactly which scene you're talking about. It wasn't funny or necessary to the plot of the film. If there was a sequel to it I wouldn't go see it.

As for Amy Poehler, I know she made a crack about us concerning the missile defense system on SNL. What else has she said? Now is her ancestry Jewish or German?

In my opinion the only good Jews in Hollywood are Steven Spielberg and Roman Polanski.

If it's any consolation I am from England and when I go to america (Florida) I get called names...Dec 06, a black guy calling me a "white fag (gay)" and All I was doing was walking down the street...and another time within that 3 weeks, a white guy in a car shouting "gay" there are alot of idiots and also smart idiots too like ignorant people i suppose you'd call it...In England it happens less but I think alot of people are rude to their own nations...

It's only the smart, caring, non ignorant people that matter I think :)

I'm English and I can quite honestly say I have never heard a bad word spoken against the Polish, I have heard praise as most British people barring the most ignorant hold them in highest esteem mainly because of the bravery of their soldiers and airmen during the second world war.

All I can suggest is if you come across the occasional ill educated moron who takes the **** is to suggest they join their local library and read the history of WW2 and/or take the **** out of them because they are so obviously thick.

Take the ear plugs out mate, I can smell the wax build up from here

What was that hamlet/village u lived in again?

What a revolting character you sound, well suited to posting anonymously to newsgroups.

Go cry to mummy little boy, cuz big daddy here ain't listening.

RE: The last four posts.

What got you in that mood, sheepie? To be perfectly honest, I have never directly heard anyone say anything specifically anti-Polish. I have heard a small number of people grumbling about foreigners in general. Most of the anti-Polish stuff that comes to my attention is here or in links to Daily Mail articles. Much anti-foreigner sentiment is directed to those with a greater perceptible difference to white Britishness - anti-Muslim, anti-Black, even (good Lord!) anti-American, anti-French (the auld un-alliance!)

I'm not blinkered. I just don't read the daily rags. I work with a curious cross-section of society and despite spending a lot of time at home playing on PF, I do speak to people and meet people. My friends tend to be of the liberal persuasion, but I meet all kinds of people. Mass polonophobia is a myth. I can't remember the name of the poster, but one particular member of PF sums things up quite well in his posts about how immigration to the UK should be controlled, how benefits and language resources should be controlled better, but also how Poles and other EU citizens are more often than not, a benefit to this country of ours, and that racism should play no part in how we run this country.

When I meet a "polonophobe" in real life, I will let you know.

Let's just say 'some' Polish administration did that to me. I think the poster you are referring to is Mister H.

When you get tired, you tend to throw out your natural emotions, one of which was anger yesterday.

I apologise to the gentleman above, even I have demons.

My girlfriend will tell them otherwise.

I've seen only one. And it was skinny as a pencil.

should have gone for the marker size;)

- Poehler is also jewish... jews openly and often publicly attack Poland/Poles and that doesn't classify as prejudice - according the inventors of the political correctness. But since they control Hollywood and they even been able to crucify such stars as Mel Gibson after his drunk outburst...they can change the classification. Anyway, you have your answer, by the way read some Talmud - its sort of like Hitlers: Mein Kampf, except the enemies are different.

I think if we look at this aspect we must ask why the Jewish want hard feelings? I voted "no" for sueing Germany when I saw the report was from "Israel". It may make other more careful when reporting but we have to look at long term relations.

ejpress.org/article/32229

Threatening to sue now is purely nonsensical. The Duck has quacked away rampantly but, thankfully, to no avail.

I love being a bumbling Polak.. lol at the Bringing a Sword to a Tank fight.. I'd never feel insulted hearing that, I think that's frekkin awesome and hilarious.

I would suggest that this is just "banter"
Something English are very good at - it happens in my work place - people push and push looking for a response from you.
Just keep your witts about yourself and come back with some banter yourself.

Benjamin,
I just throw them out the window! Polska Sila (Polish Power) Then I ask them(as they are falling from the rooftops)You didn't know how strong the Polish people are?

Keep smiling,
Rich
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No it is generally people, not just english who have never travelled, have a low level of education, who follow the rest of the sheep, because they know no better than to follow what they think is funny or appropriate at the time.