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Bronislaw Geremek died in a car crash today ( 13.07 )


McCoy 27 | 1,269  
13 Jul 2008 /  #1
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronis%C5%82aw_Geremek

news in polish:

tvn24.pl/0,1557164,0,1,prof-bronislaw-geremek-nie-zyje,wiadomosc.html

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Your previous Wiki link didn't lead to the correct site.
scorpio 20 | 188  
14 Jul 2008 /  #2
First, I want to express my condolences to his entire family. It is sad when anyone dies, especially in such a tragic way.

Now, I would like to add that I never did appreciate Bronisław Geremek's contributions to the round table talks during the days of Solidarity, or his place in the Polish government or history. Why do I say this? He was a member of the Polish Communist Party for 18 years (1950 - 1968), which under the belt of Soviet Communism, suppressed Polish freedom and the quest of independence for all those years. I can never forgive somone who willingly joined the communist party for such a long period of time and then decides to suddenly convert to a so called Polish patriot. This is the same feeling I have for his friends in crime, Adam Michnik and former Polish president Aleksander Kwasniewski, also former devoted communists. They have done more damage than good to Poland via their communist party affiliation, however, they still have their numerous supporters from Liberal and Leftist circles who will insist otherwise.

Many of these former communists immediately jumped ship and on to the opposition band wagon when they saw Soviet control over Polish society eroding. They had no choice. With help and excellent positive press coverage (or propaganda) from the liberal media, the average Polish citizen was brainwashed into thinking they were 'good intellectuals' who were alleged integral factors in overthrowing Communism. Most people know better though. Michnik displays more of his propaganda in his recent "Gazeta" article of praise for Geremek's achievements. These former communists spent a long time invoking and maintaining Soviet rule in Poland well before they finally cleansed their souls and transformed themselves into decent humans and anti-communists .

Why is it that anyone who had ties to the Nazi party were stained and blacklisted for life and are still being prosecuted until today, however, those who had ties to the Communist party were 'forgiven and accepted' for their misdeeds, often becoming patriots of their country of origin and never prosecuted for their former party membership? Both Nazism and Communism destroyed and suppressed many societies during and after WWII and should be treated the same. The answer is in the fact that today, socialism / communism is still alive and well in many segments of society, and is often disguised by individuals who claim to be part of the liberal or leftist movements. Same motives and intentions, only under a different label.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
14 Jul 2008 /  #3
Rest In Peace Bronisław Geremek.

Thanks scorpio,
Great write up, I am just after reading it out load and it has sparked huge conversation and people are in agreement with you and more.

Jeeezzz, Monday morning, back to work.
LwowskaKrakow 28 | 431  
14 Jul 2008 /  #4
those who had ties to the Communist party were 'forgiven and accepted' for their misdeeds

Bronislaw Geremek was a genuine " communist" who left the Communist party when USSR invaded Prague and felt desillusionned and betrayed like many intellectuals of those days such as Jean Paul Sartre ,the poet Louis Aragon, etc.

He was always a great historian and a free spirit and he did everything he could to promote Poland to be accepted in the European Union before 2004.

He was Jewish and his parents died in Auswitch, he could have easily blamed Poland like many Polish Jews did for this tragedy and find success in major American or other famous Western Universities but until the end of his life he remained profundly attached to his country and participated fully in Poland 's revival.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
14 Jul 2008 /  #5
He was a member of the Polish Communist Party for 18 years (1950 - 1968)

Bronislaw Geremek was a genuine " communist" who left the Communist party when USSR invaded Prague and felt desillusionned and betrayed like many intellectuals of those days such as Jean Paul Sartre ,the poet Louis Aragon, etc.

I would argue with this excuse. He joined to the PZPR in late Stalinist era. He did not resign after Hungarian revolution was brutally crushed (add Poznan events). This doesn't look very idealistic.

Basically, because of such people I spend whole my childhood in the communist state...

They have done more damage than good to Poland via their communist party affiliation, however, they still have their numerous supporters from Liberal and Leftist circles who will insist otherwise.

I would care less about their former party membership, if they would do successful transformation. However this is not the case, it was a disaster.

Many of these former communists immediately jumped ship and on to the opposition band wagon when they saw Soviet control over Polish society eroding. They had no choice. With help and excellent positive press coverage (or propaganda) from the liberal media, the average Polish citizen was brainwashed into thinking they were 'good intellectuals' who were alleged integral factors in overthrowing Communism. Most people know better though. Michnik displays more of his propaganda in his recent "Gazeta" article of praise for Geremek's achievements.

I completely agree with this part of your post. People from his circles, practically controlled mainstream media after 1989. They were showing themselves in good light and apologizing every single swindle. While all kind of political opponents were portrayed as some freaks.

He was always a great historian and a free spirit and he did everything he could to promote Poland to be accepted in the European Union before 2004.

Yes, exactly. He is co-responsible for incorporation of our state to the EU.
EbonyandBathory 5 | 249  
15 Jul 2008 /  #6
Solidarity Leader Dead at 76

One of Solidarity's great leaders as far as a peacemaker for the world, Bronislaw Geremek, died a few days ago in a car accident.

nytimes.com/2008/07/14/world/europe/14geremek.html?_r=1&ref=world&oref=slogin

I apologize, I somehow missed that a thread was opened a few days ago on this. Please attach this post to it.

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