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So why is there so much animosity against Poles?


Kazia - | 20  
9 May 2008 /  #31
No. Have you ?
osiol 55 | 3,922  
9 May 2008 /  #32
your language is MONEY no matter how hard you'd try to pretend it is not

I money don't money pretend it's not money. Money money money. I'm smiling right now, money.

Why whilst typing that, did I keep accidentally typing the word monkey?
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
9 May 2008 /  #33
So why is there so much animosity against Poles?

I don't think there is so much animosity hereon PF. Notice that all the hatered comes from the same few, repeating the same slogans ad nausea. Others who join in perhaps do not feel hatred but they do not feel enough sympathy to stay neutral.

Other than that, look at the majority of non-Poles here. All these people trying to learn something about Poland, including our language. Hats off to those. It's a very difficult task.
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389  
10 May 2008 /  #34
I don't think there is any particular animosity toward the Poles anywhere, in any substantial form...Poland is not an imperialistic power, nor is it involved in any global financial intigues that would be a source of such animosities...the Poles must be careful about going along with agendas set by such trans-national groups such as NATO or the EU, and only go along with these agendas when it suits Poland's particular needs...In truth, Poland is not powerful enough to engender such animosities...You might have incidents in such countries as the UK where new Polish immigrants are viewed with some hostility, but this is only because Britain has had such an influx of non-European immigrants over the past 20-30 years...so, there is some blowback toward white European Poles...but Britain has been an occupied country, in the sense of alien financiers and alien agendas for many years...White Europeans should work together as they share common values in terms of culture and civilization...many Poles have a fear/distrust of Russians because of the evils commited under Bolshevism, which, in fact, wasn't a 'Russian' system at all...it was an alien system that enslaved the Russian people...now that Russia has a had a strong 'Russian' leadership for awhile, and one which has tried to integrate the better aspects of the modern world, Poles should put aside their prjudices and look toward the future...same with Germany...do not embrace 'victimhood'...this is a loser's game, and only a way to try and get money and sympathy that always backfires...by the way, I have a new website called KULTURE/AMERIKA...go here:

kultureamerika.weebly.com

I discuss many of the issues we talk about here, but in a broader and more American context...you will note that the names have been changed to protect the innocent, but it is indeed Joe, and you can even see my handsome face in close-up.
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
10 May 2008 /  #35
Bolshevism, which, in fact, wasn't a 'Russian' system at all...it was an alien system that enslaved the Russian people

Sorry for interrupting, but in order to enslave someone that someone needs to be free. I'm not sure the Russian people had ever been free before the Bolshevism.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
10 May 2008 /  #36
Obviously, u need to look to history for some answers but I feel that many PF members place too heavy a reliance on it. As I have said elsewhere, what characteristics make Poles attract animosity? That must be the question. I find many humble, resourceful and practical.
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389  
10 May 2008 /  #37
Sorry for interrupting, but in order to enslave someone that someone needs to be free. I'm not sure the Russian people had ever been free before the Bolshevism.

So, the atheistic Jews were sent by God to free the Russians from themselves?...the Russians had a 1000 year old culture, with good, bad and great elements...the goal of Bolshevism was to destroy all 'nations' and create a 'utopia for man'...look what happened...and, few know, that the Czar saved the ass of Lincoln and the United States during the Civil War.
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
10 May 2008 /  #38
the Russians had a 1000 year old culture

I didn't say Russians didn't have culture.
American slaves had culture too. Still, they were not free.
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389  
10 May 2008 /  #39
What is free?...the Russian people and peasants were under a feudal system for many years under the Czars, but they were no different from other European countries in this regard...during the 18th Century, there was the beginning of reform, as Russia was taking first steps toward moving into the 'industrial age' and liberalizing certain stagnant aspects of their governing process...you did have a Duma there...a country must be allowed to determine it's own fate.

As I have said elsewhere, what characteristics make Poles attract animosity?

Seanus, I have not seen this animosity in the United States...Polish-Americans have been here for generations, and are well respected...and, in my city, and in NYC, too, there are many new Polish immigrants arriving, and I think they do very well, and are generally welcomed.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
10 May 2008 /  #40
And I'd argue that they are broadly similar to the ones going to the UK. It's like Britain has clutched to the residuals of the 'splendid isolation' policy by maintaining an inherent distrust of foreigners. I hear mainly good things about Poles in the USA, shootings aside.
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
10 May 2008 /  #41
during the 18th Century, there was the beginning of reform, as Russia was taking first steps toward moving into the 'industrial age'

Beginning of industrial age in the 18th century Russia?
At that time Russia was still a feudal (one might even say Medieval) country in all aspects.

People were not free.
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389  
10 May 2008 /  #42
I hear mainly good things about Poles in the USA, shootings aside.

I don't know what shootings you refer to, but in my city, Philadelphia, this week, a Polish-American police officer was shot after a bank robbery by a group of 'non-European' human wasteoids.

People were not free

So what is your point Darius?...whatever the stae of Russian 'freedom', when the Bolshevik 'freedom fighter' took over, they led Russia into the pit of hell.
osiol 55 | 3,922  
10 May 2008 /  #43
Well how many Americans are European?
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389  
10 May 2008 /  #44
The majority are still of European descent, but we are losing ground.
osiol 55 | 3,922  
10 May 2008 /  #45
Be European when it suits you, why not!
osiol 55 | 3,922  
10 May 2008 /  #47
And Britain in in...

Africa?
America?
Australia?
Oceania?
Asia?

Antarctica. Yes, I think it's in Antarctica.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
10 May 2008 /  #48
And I'm Scottish, LOL, narrow it down further.

I think the shootings were in Illinois
osiol 55 | 3,922  
10 May 2008 /  #49
Different forms of racism and xenophobia from different groups of people against other different groups of people, seem to have a huge variety of ways in which they try to justify it. Anti-racism doesn't need to be different amongst it's wide range of adherents.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
10 May 2008 /  #50
And Britain in in...

Africa?
America?
Australia?
Oceania?
Asia?

Somewhere near Argentina? :)
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
10 May 2008 /  #51
Well, we did kick the ass of the Falklands if that's what u mean
osiol 55 | 3,922  
10 May 2008 /  #52
No, Argentina tried to kick the arse of the Falklands, but they failed.

It is events like this (although it's more to do with the negative propaganda against Britain in events like this) that cause animosity against the British around the world. Poland does not have such things to cause resentment.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
10 May 2008 /  #53
Just thought I'd mention how Thatcher gave us a bad name. Sorry, but it happened. That headstrong bit*h didn't even have the guts or decency to admit that the ship we attacked was moving away. She got owned on a Youtube video where a housewife took her to school. Conservative Britain stuck its ugly nose in and lost the country a lot of respect. We deserve the animosity against us sometimes.
osiol 55 | 3,922  
10 May 2008 /  #54
She got owned on a Youtube video where a housewife took her to school

We've all seen that (well, not on Youtube - it was famous long before that).

Why should we have given the English-speaking, British-settled Falkland Islands to Argentina, a country that had only claimed the islands on paper and had never settled there? I'm no fan of Thatcher, and there were events in the Falklands war that were wrong, but it is not Argentinian.

I have heard an African-Portuguese bloke moaning about how it's all to do with slavery and it should be Argentina's. I just told him that it was settled by British people, without Africans or slaves or anyone, and that Argentina is hardly the best model of a multicoloured society. He had, like many others, fallen for the badmouthing propaganda that paints Britain in a bad light.

When Poland has such things to deal with, the Poles can really legitimately moan about being disliked in the world. I don't moan about Britain being disliked because it is just a fact of life.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
10 May 2008 /  #55
But Britain claimed way too much. Territory can be claimed through colonialism but times evolve and territory passes hands. Did you look at the legitimacy of their claim? Did u read any press other than British press?
osiol 55 | 3,922  
10 May 2008 /  #56
I was a little boy at the time. I read Mr. Men books.
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
10 May 2008 /  #57
So what is your point Darius?

I presented it in the original response to your post.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
10 May 2008 /  #58
Hehehe, good digression. I have no views on WWII as I wasn't born b4 that, :)
hairball 20 | 313  
10 May 2008 /  #59
This was my first experience with Poles and I guess many English feel the same.

Shite!

Poles cause so much hatred

More shite!

they do not smile

Even more shite!

do not bend

It would seem your talking out of your ass!

You British

Are you a Polish version of nonimigration?

correcting peoples english

It was quit funny how she picked up the small "e" but missed the possesive 's! And I'm just a bus driver in Poland!

I'm Scottish

That's a Geordie with his brains kicked in right? :-)
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
10 May 2008 /  #60
Nah, we ostracised u, banned and confined u to England ;) U r in with the Scousers and Brummies now. They are ur posse.

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