marriage. too much paperworks everywhere on the earth. is there any country that asks for no paperwork at all? gas bill papers, electric papers, water supply papers, school papers, marriage papers, even death papers. i fed up following papers everywhere.
it seems much paperworks in poland also. not in my home country, not in poland, but, somewhere else. is there any country on the earth where we can marry with no paperwork at all? searched the net, but, couldnt find any. even in countries where polygamy (multiple marriages at the same time) is practiced paperworks, certificates/filling forms/etc are obligatory.
Poles are more upwardly mobile now. Under communism, there were travel restrictions and you were interrogated upon your return. Huge suspicion and widespread paranoia. Now, many move abroad and relationships are made more complicated. Many discover that the notion of the distance relationship doesn't really work.
However, I'd say that, if you make an effort to make the marriage agreeable, happy and lasting then courts shouldn't really grant divorces. You are fulfilling the vows of the marriage and there is no 'irretrievable breakdown' of the marriage. What is the Polish terminology for divorce? You cannot shortcut to divorce, you have to go through counselling and there should always be room for salvage. People should be forgiven when right to do so.
It depends on the woman but I feel safe with mine. No pre-nuptial needed.
You know, I once worked with a Polish girl called Sabine. She had cramps one day, and I told her that is was okay to take a day off, and that I would make sure she would keep the job so if she was worried about that she didn't have to! (I knew the boss, local, and a friend of mine.)
She refused a dozen times, and I let her. She then nearly collapsed a few times, and she had to run to the toilet to throw up a few times. She came back, I told her she should go home and take some rest. She refused again! I got angry and lifted her up, and drove her to her Bungalow, and said she would stay there for atleast two days!
She really thought she would lose her job or something, and I left her crying. (I wasn't sorry!)
After those days she came back to work. She had went to the doctor and she had something serious. She worked there 5 hours, and I can tell you most people would've stayed at home. (Even men!)
My point? She did work most girls wouldn't do. She worked for her own money. She even did the work when she should've been in bed, sick. I respect such girls, and I've met a lot of those girls.
So all your proof and pictures (Not accusing you or anything, but for all I know those girls in the pictures could be your nieces or cousins! Or some other picture you've jacked off the net somewhere!) and claims about how most Polish girls are golddiggers don't exactly move me.
it seems you are old enough to know this stiuation pre-1989. there were golddiggers also during communism period? was money an important part of love life out there?
Arien
silence is always big majority. i respect girls giving much out of themselves to their works everywhere as they know much better than boys how hard the life is, especially for female world when they are workless, jobless. i have always told bosses/directors to give them double salary than guys get. but, i also know that bosses abusing/exploiting girls at their companies. true golddiggers are bosses.
but then again it doesn't have to do much with the fact they're Polish..
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Yes,russian are worse.A friend of mine got extracted 10000 euro by a belarus girl in just one year.(not especially good looking).But russian visit the ass bars as first job while polish clean homes,work in cafes or take care of elderly.
how? by doing sex like a prostitute? or, by giving gifts, etc etc to one like a girlfriend? by golddiggers, you mean they are girls acting like girlfriends, but, actually targetting money? some confusion on my side. if so, they are kinda misstresses then.
by giving gifts, etc etc to one like a girlfriend?
Yes,this exactly.Now I need money because I got thrown away from job then I need money for mother's operation,he even paid for her boyfriend to come(what a loser).
I'd say that's pretty foolish of him, even if she was beautiful. You should be with someone who wants to be with you.
If it's only about money, or if you're looking for a wild night then you really don't have to spend thousands! I'm not really selfish, and ofcourse I don't know how much exactly your friend earns, but I know that 10.000 € (Taxed!) would be how much the average girl here would earn from a year's work. (Maybe a little less, and in some cases, a little more, only talking about the average here!)
So spending 10.000 € on my girlfriend? Maybe if I earn 80.000 € a year!
Maybe not boyfriend,maybe her brother but if I remember it was her boyfriend indeed.The usual cousin. It is the typical case of the fat,insecure guy who finds sth and tries to keep it whatever the price.This friend did some serious sh1t with me in the case of an ukr girl and then I realized that some people are snakes.
Anyway her friend(of the belarus girl) managed to extract from me a sum as well(about 500 euro of presents) till I told her if you want this pair of shoes you got to come to hotel room with me which she found vulgar as a presentation and responded:If you don't buy me the shoes I will work in the ass bar some nights and buy them.
10.000 € (Taxed!) would be how much the average girl here would earn from a year's work
and, someone goes and gives that amount of money to a golddigger girl easily while average hard worker girl work a lot to make this amount of money. not a fair system this system is. i really think such girls must be boss everywhere and they should give little salary to such guys. then, there will be no golddigger, etc. yes, lets give the world to girls.
what i have heard from old friends from former soviets, they were not giving any money/gifts at all till last years when collapse started.
this golddigging thing has a long history. i think it is everywhere same, but, russians etc are making it more visible. especially after this internet and cell communications, things have become more visible and spreaded due to the falling economy in the world in last decade. till a decade ago or two, most of flirtings were aimed at marriage or serious relationships. now, everybodys changing partners frequently. so, the reason for this must be mostly about golddigging characters of people are unhesitatingly being shown.
if we question this further, deeper, it seems that women have been at war with men about the gold/capital for tousands of years and they are about to finish work soon. i dont think golddiggers are after more sex, better sex. sex is just their weapons to win the golds. men, lets stop this going, we can't win. lets give their golds to them even without doing any sex with them.
We can forget communism, Polish women, Money and even the idea of marriage. If you ask me its not Polish women you should not be marrying its ALL WOMEN you shouldn't be marrying.
I really do not see the ponit in it anymore, if two people love each other, they don't need a peice of paper (or two) that proves it. You don't need to contractually share everything 50/50, there should be no prenumptial agreements, it should just be about the 'love' Marriage these days is such a joke, its about everything but the love. Its more about who can have the most expensive wedding, who dresses the best, who has the money, who can bag a bridesmaid (if she is legal of course) and a time for people to generally show off what they have (or in some cases, what they have not)
Maybe it is a big thing in Poland because it is closely linked with religion, honestly though i could not give two you know whats about religion and to me marriage is a religious ceremony, therefore i have no right to a marriage ceremony.
If a woman/man runs of with your money, cheats on you with the receptionist or the milkman then its your own fault for finding such a partner, i've been cheated on and used etc etc but i dont blame anybody else and thank christ i didn't think of marrying those two particular females :) (they probably think the same about me :) its a two way street you know)
There is a lot of rubbish written on this website about Polish woman/girls/females in general, most of it is unfounded and probably based on a one off experience with a Polish woman/girl, which to be honest could of happened with any woman from anywhere in the world.
People need to engage their brains before tapping away at the keys on the keyboard, it may help clear up the forum a bit if people take responsiblity for their own words and actually think before writting rubbish
Marriage these days is such a joke, its about everything but the love. ... most expensive wedding, who dresses the best, who
marriage has always been so, about to show the power. if you read this, you can see that. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy
all religions promoted marriage, but, monogamy marriages mostly. to promote the monogamy marriages, scholars of religions had probably created sample love stories.
those polygamy marriages were surpassing the golddiggers making invisible in the past. monogamy marriages introduced the love to make the single partnership. golddigging not a new thing at all, long history behind.
nomaderol Sort of proves my point really :) I just do not see the point in getting married!!! If you love somebody and they love you, thats cool but really you don't need to get married, it just causes problems when different varities of sh*t hits different varities of fan :) If your not married the break up is a whole lot easier (well as easy as any break up can be)
I can see your points, torny, as I thought that way for a long time. However, it is about making sth work, like a lifelong project. It's just the tendency of some people to cop out and not make a good fist of it that cheapens the whole thing.
Taking those vows meant a lot to me. They went beyond mere formality and I'll do my utmost to honour them.
marriage is forced by present societies as it is a need of grouping. who'll take care of you when you get older and older? grouping based on scary things. love is just a sugar to make this painful grouping a little sweety.
experience speaking? i think same. i been carrying this brain for ages and seeing useless at all. but, can i find one to do this work to my brain without any gift? seems not easy. seems that to them, giftless love is godless love. (i read some religions saying "love is gift of god.")
I think you need a slavic woman to bang your brains out.
I wouldn't mind. (At all!)
:)
i been carrying this brain for ages and seeing useless at all.
You know, too much thinking isn't always good for you. Sometimes you'll just have to act, do, enjoy, learn, and not ask too many questions. Just let your feelings wander and experience..
That's life, and a book can't predict your life, or even determine what will happen throughout yours. You know, it takes two to Tango, and you won't always have it your way..