Polish-Islam Relationship Union

that's so sad.

didn't mohammed say that men and women are equal? Yet it is plain to see that women are mistreated by men.

They claim the founder of Islam is a prophet named Muhammad...however Muhammad himself says he is not a prophet and has never personally heard from God...in fact Muhammad who heard voices thought himself it was from evil spirits....his wife encouraged him to change his mind and claim God had spoken to him...

Muhammad was a pedophile, having sexual relations with a 6 year old and 9 year old girl.

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (I Tim. 2:5).

islamlies.com

Did he say that? I know that in sharia law, a woman's testimony in court is worth half that of a man's testimony. See e.g. Article 7: Right to equal protection by the law

bbc.co.uk/worldservice/people/features/ihavearightto/four_b/casestudy_art07.shtml.

Some Muslim countries with strict sharia interpretations, such as Saudi Arabia, actually implement this. And they're still in the UN, despite being in clear violation of article 7 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights!

But Islam is the religion of peace...

No disrespect to any of you guys, but why does it make such a difference to you which God this or that person believes in? All religions are crazy when you look at them from the "outside", and yet without them the human culture and civilizations would not exist.

Look at us, Christians - we chose the symbol of our Prophet's murder weapon as the symbol of our religion and some of us (Catholics) even perform a ritual cannibalism of our own God!

Does it make you feel any better to dump on the Muslims? For sure you're not going to change anybody's mind, so what's the point?

Old trick. Aggressor playing a victim and looking for naive people, who can believe in that.

so by posting news stories about muslims and the non violent lives they lead, thats dumping on them?

question to the christians...

what happened during the crusades? how many people were burnt for witchcraft etc?
and and and... all in the name of christ...

nevertheless you all are convinced your belief is "the real one".
but you have to admit that there were a lot bad things done in the name of christianity, right? but you are still christians...

why do you doubt that islam is apeaceful religion? because you hear the stories today of a manmade interpretation of it with stuff happening that seems obviously against islam...

these stories are the same level of misinterpretation of a belief that would have been told about the crusades if they have had news24 and the internet...

without tolerance and respect it will never be possible to live in peace with each other.

just a thought...

when they stop waging jihad for stupid ****, locking people up because a teddy bear was named mohammed, stop killing women because they dont want to wear towels and so on.

maybe then tolerance will come around.

you talk about tolerance and respect? your country is being overrun by muslims from turkey, pakistan and other arab countries. soon enough you will be in the minority, and have no say on tolerance and respect, the true Germans that is. I hope Poland will learn from the mistakes of their western neighbours like Germany and England, and set quotas on their in-migration.

you? here as well?

you seem to like me... ;-)

by the way germany is not overrun. we embrace cultural diversity instead. just works better than narrowmindedness...


for the above reasons, yes...


it is always the others that are wrong and others that have to make the first step, right?

marek, i believe you did not quite get the essence of my post...

Yes and that was between 1019 and 1291 we are slightly more civilised now- also the witchcraft thing, Im sure the witch prickers were unhappy we did away with those barbaric practicies but hey hoe!! Funnily enough we dont put people in stocks or whip them publicly either anymore....

Like I said the muslim religion is based on lies and fear, not a very nice religion if you ask me...

More misinterpretation of Islam from a nice programme on Kuwaiti TV:


See Apostasy for some of the audience responses.
butterfliesandwheels.com/notesarchive.php?id=2134

And it's amazing how many "Muslim leaders" misunderstand Islam:

Mohammed peace be upon him came with the legislation thats says men and women are equal with regards to their rewards punishments. But their duties are different and thats obvious a man cant give birth and stay at home to feed the kids , cook and clean. Ofcouse he can help, but these are parts of the duties of a woman . just like men have to work while women dont have to work.


All prophets came with islam ,a muslim is just a human being that submits and surrenders to the almighty lord in peace, and that simply is the message of all prophets from abraham , david, solomon, john ,jesus and mohamed peace be upon them all.


Its mentioned that muhammed is nothing but a prophet its clear in the quran.


Why did the pagans, hyprocrites and the jews never used that word , they said crazy , magician, sorcerer.. stuff like that but never mentioned that word pedophile, its simply because aisha wasnt a child when he married her.

The thing you dont know that women at that time in the desert used to hit puberty at a very young age. It was the norm at that time to get married at a young age. And thats why the marriage agreement was established when she was 7 and only when she reached puberty at the age of 9 were married.

And according to the age of consent in nowadays in the world. In 2001 a Thai girl was a mother at the age of nine, and this was in the newspaper, also in romania there was a 12 year old bride getting married in 2003.

My point is that the environement(age of puberty) is the measure

Do u know that lady aisha was engaged to another man before the prophet muhammed pbuh!!!
And strangely after the prophet's death aisha narrated many stories about their beatiful relationship and became a great teacher for all muslims.

I don't understand why some other religions (Islam in this case) want others to convert to their faith (or at least seek attention and try to announce everywhere someone convered to Islam)...

Mohammed said that a woman is worth half a man. 2:282

Except the feeble among men, and the women........... 4:98

Is that indeed a fact?


Yeah, that's a pretty big "if". Did god say so? (And if god said murder was good, would you just accept that?) Some scholars, such as Christoph Luxenberg, argue that the Koran is, "based on earlier texts, namely lectionaries used in the Christian churches of Syria, and that it was the work of several generations who adapted these texts into the Qur'an we know today." Of course, that would call into question its supposed transmission to Mohammed from Allah via the angel Gabriel.

It says a lot about the state of scholarship in this field that the author was advised by Muslim friends to publish under a pseudonym, and to remain anonymous for his own safety. See Scholars Scrutinize the Koran's Origin.

corkscrew-balloon.com/02/03/1bkk/04b.html

A quote from this article:

Of course he would not say so because one of his attributes is the all-just.

cubic read the quran and you can judge if its the lords words or not, i wont mention the scientific facts that have been proved and still to be proven, nor the miracle of it being preserved since 1428 years now, and its enough that no one ever have found an error in it. And no one ever has been able to take the challenge mentioned in it to produce something like it.

Read it here and then judge
muslimconverts.com/quran/Quran_index.htm

really?

And he followed a road; Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness. (Qur'an 18:85-86)

So the sun has a resting place in some muddy spring?

But that was long time ago...


I was joking. I have nothing against theory of Islam... honestly I don't really know what this religion is about and don't want to know but theory and practice are very different things.


Whose tolerance and respect ? Muslims in Europe have exactly the same rights as others, while majority of Muslim countries can be divided into those where Christianity is in fact illegal (like in Saudi Arabia) and those, where It isn't illegal but Christians must keep the low profile or else someone could get "offended" and cut of their heads. Damn, even in majority Christian countries Muslims use to have less tolerance and respect for non-Muslims than the other way around, so what are you talking about ?

What are the guidelines for deciding whether a text was written by a god, as opposed to by humans who are aware of the supposed attributes of the god?


If the "scientific facts" are anything like this -- Watch out for the mudghah on the sidewalk -- better not mention them.
scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006/03/watch_out_for_the_mudghah_on.php

Hello everybody,
I'm new here.Some interesting posts.CUBIC..The most important guideline is that u should b seeking the truth.Arrogance leads to no man's land.U r non-muslims with some misconceptions from my point of view.The only way we can benefit from us being here is through being honest.Maybe set some rules.U can always put down questions and if we muslims don't know the answer in Islam we promise to find it according to Islam and not according to us.the2nd rule is not to post anything that u don' have a clue to...

looking forward to hear from u.That's how it looked like Darius....by the way arab christians who do speak arabic have never used this misconception ..u know y? coz it doesn't exist.... this is y translations of the quranic verses r not called "Quran"...the verb that was used in the verse is used to express what u think u saw and not to state a scientific fact... this is it..pleased to help u understand

your the new guy are you want rules set down, ha ha

cant we all just get along??

That's funny..third rule is respect by the way

so do tell, why is it muslims find it necessary to go and beat/kill women who dont wear burkas?
why do they find it necessary to throw people in jail because somebody named a doll Mohammed?

It's always about one little word and it's translation, isn;'t it? :)

There are piles and piles of things various people (including Muhammad) thought they experienced. So as you see, using the same argument, the revelations of the Quran seem like the truth to those who see what thye want to see. And thus, as the sun was perceived as settling in a muddy puddle of water, the Quran itself looks like quite a bit of muddy stuff.

Pleased to have clarified this.

I think ur just a waste of time, ur not a truth seeker.
U've just been programmed to act like this.

I've never heard of women who got murdered coz they refused to wear the hijab..anyway let's hear Islam's story ;in islamic legislation some crimes have no punishment but forcing the guy to death ..u'll never find "refusing 2 wear the hijab among these".We muslims don't insult ur religion and so deserve the same treatment .I wouldn't make fun of a prophe who i believe Allah sent to guide human race. ppl say they respect human rights but i don't think they show it.Thx marek and plz feel free to ask for more clarification if that was unclear.

Darius ;i don't know y u find it difficult to start a discussion based on reason .just using ur scissors to cut and paste .This is called forgery.

Oh If you hadn't heard of it the news storys here
thestar.com/News/GTA/article/284824

And I'd rather not hear Islams version.