miranda
12 Dec 2007 / #91
that's so sad.
Polish-Islam Relationship Union
Lies , what a silly thing to say , what evidence you have, u know nothing about islam, and im sure nothing about ur religion.
didn't mohammed say that men and women are equal? Yet it is plain to see that women are mistreated by men.
They claim the founder of Islam is a prophet named Muhammad...however Muhammad himself says he is not a prophet and has never personally heard from God...in fact Muhammad who heard voices thought himself it was from evil spirits....his wife encouraged him to change his mind and claim God had spoken to him...
Muhammad was a pedophile, having sexual relations with a 6 year old and 9 year old girl.
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (I Tim. 2:5).
islamlies.com
didn't mohammed say that men and women are equal?
Did he say that? I know that in sharia law, a woman's testimony in court is worth half that of a man's testimony. See e.g. Article 7: Right to equal protection by the law
bbc.co.uk/worldservice/people/features/ihavearightto/four_b/casestudy_art07.shtml.
Some Muslim countries with strict sharia interpretations, such as Saudi Arabia, actually implement this. And they're still in the UN, despite being in clear violation of article 7 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights!
Today in Toronto a father was arrested for killing his daughter. In the name of the loving and merciful allah, of course. It was about hijab. She refused to wear it.
But Islam is the religion of peace...
No disrespect to any of you guys, but why does it make such a difference to you which God this or that person believes in? All religions are crazy when you look at them from the "outside", and yet without them the human culture and civilizations would not exist.
Look at us, Christians - we chose the symbol of our Prophet's murder weapon as the symbol of our religion and some of us (Catholics) even perform a ritual cannibalism of our own God!
Does it make you feel any better to dump on the Muslims? For sure you're not going to change anybody's mind, so what's the point?
Look at us, Christians - we chose the symbol of our Prophet's murder weapon as the symbol of our religion and some of us (Catholics) even perform a ritual cannibalism of our own God!
Does it make you feel any better to dump on the Muslims? For sure you're not going to change anybody's mind, so what's the point?
Does it make you feel any better to dump on the Muslims?
Old trick. Aggressor playing a victim and looking for naive people, who can believe in that.
Does it make you feel any better to dump on the Muslims
so by posting news stories about muslims and the non violent lives they lead, thats dumping on them?
the_falkster 1 | 180
12 Dec 2007 / #98
question to the christians...
what happened during the crusades? how many people were burnt for witchcraft etc?
and and and... all in the name of christ...
nevertheless you all are convinced your belief is "the real one".
but you have to admit that there were a lot bad things done in the name of christianity, right? but you are still christians...
why do you doubt that islam is apeaceful religion? because you hear the stories today of a manmade interpretation of it with stuff happening that seems obviously against islam...
these stories are the same level of misinterpretation of a belief that would have been told about the crusades if they have had news24 and the internet...
without tolerance and respect it will never be possible to live in peace with each other.
just a thought...
what happened during the crusades? how many people were burnt for witchcraft etc?
and and and... all in the name of christ...
nevertheless you all are convinced your belief is "the real one".
but you have to admit that there were a lot bad things done in the name of christianity, right? but you are still christians...
why do you doubt that islam is apeaceful religion? because you hear the stories today of a manmade interpretation of it with stuff happening that seems obviously against islam...
these stories are the same level of misinterpretation of a belief that would have been told about the crusades if they have had news24 and the internet...
without tolerance and respect it will never be possible to live in peace with each other.
just a thought...
without tolerance and respect it will never be possible to live in peace with each other.
when they stop waging jihad for stupid ****, locking people up because a teddy bear was named mohammed, stop killing women because they dont want to wear towels and so on.
maybe then tolerance will come around.
without tolerance and respect it will never be possible to live in peace with each other.
just a thought...
just a thought...
you talk about tolerance and respect? your country is being overrun by muslims from turkey, pakistan and other arab countries. soon enough you will be in the minority, and have no say on tolerance and respect, the true Germans that is. I hope Poland will learn from the mistakes of their western neighbours like Germany and England, and set quotas on their in-migration.
the_falkster 1 | 180
12 Dec 2007 / #101
your country is being overrun by muslims
you? here as well?
you seem to like me... ;-)
by the way germany is not overrun. we embrace cultural diversity instead. just works better than narrowmindedness...
you talk about tolerance and respect?
for the above reasons, yes...
maybe then tolerance will come around
it is always the others that are wrong and others that have to make the first step, right?
marek, i believe you did not quite get the essence of my post...
what happened during the crusades? how many people were burnt for witchcraft etc?
and and and... all in the name of christ...
and and and... all in the name of christ...
Yes and that was between 1019 and 1291 we are slightly more civilised now- also the witchcraft thing, Im sure the witch prickers were unhappy we did away with those barbaric practicies but hey hoe!! Funnily enough we dont put people in stocks or whip them publicly either anymore....
Like I said the muslim religion is based on lies and fear, not a very nice religion if you ask me...
why do you doubt that islam is apeaceful religion?
More misinterpretation of Islam from a nice programme on Kuwaiti TV:
Kuwaiti tv sounds like fun - like Oprah but more intense.
Kuwait TV Host Sheikh Tareq Al-Sweidan: "We have a question for the viewers at home, not in the studio, and they can respond with a text message. What is the best way to deal with apostates who converted from Islam? You have three possible responses. The first is through dialogue only. The second option is killing them, and the third option is to leave it up to the legal system.
Don't you wish you could watch tv shows like that? We have a question for the viewers: What is the best way to deal with apostates who converted from Southern Baptism? You have three options. You can chat, you can kill them, or you can call the cops.
That would be even more fun when most of the audience went for door number two. Kill them, Bob, definitely.
Kuwait TV Host Sheikh Tareq Al-Sweidan: "We have a question for the viewers at home, not in the studio, and they can respond with a text message. What is the best way to deal with apostates who converted from Islam? You have three possible responses. The first is through dialogue only. The second option is killing them, and the third option is to leave it up to the legal system.
Don't you wish you could watch tv shows like that? We have a question for the viewers: What is the best way to deal with apostates who converted from Southern Baptism? You have three options. You can chat, you can kill them, or you can call the cops.
That would be even more fun when most of the audience went for door number two. Kill them, Bob, definitely.
See Apostasy for some of the audience responses.
butterfliesandwheels.com/notesarchive.php?id=2134
And it's amazing how many "Muslim leaders" misunderstand Islam:
"In 2004, Prince Charles called a meeting of leading Muslims to discuss the issue," adds Dr Sookhdeo. "I was there. All the Muslim leaders at that meeting agreed that the penalty in sharia is death. The hope was that they would issue a public declaration repudiating that doctrine, but not one of them did."
didn't mohammed say that men and women are equal?
Mohammed peace be upon him came with the legislation thats says men and women are equal with regards to their rewards punishments. But their duties are different and thats obvious a man cant give birth and stay at home to feed the kids , cook and clean. Ofcouse he can help, but these are parts of the duties of a woman . just like men have to work while women dont have to work.
founder of Islam is a prophet named Muhammad
All prophets came with islam ,a muslim is just a human being that submits and surrenders to the almighty lord in peace, and that simply is the message of all prophets from abraham , david, solomon, john ,jesus and mohamed peace be upon them all.
however Muhammad himself says he is not a prophet and has never personally heard from God
Its mentioned that muhammed is nothing but a prophet its clear in the quran.
Muhammad was a pedophile
Why did the pagans, hyprocrites and the jews never used that word , they said crazy , magician, sorcerer.. stuff like that but never mentioned that word pedophile, its simply because aisha wasnt a child when he married her.
The thing you dont know that women at that time in the desert used to hit puberty at a very young age. It was the norm at that time to get married at a young age. And thats why the marriage agreement was established when she was 7 and only when she reached puberty at the age of 9 were married.
And according to the age of consent in nowadays in the world. In 2001 a Thai girl was a mother at the age of nine, and this was in the newspaper, also in romania there was a 12 year old bride getting married in 2003.
My point is that the environement(age of puberty) is the measure
Do u know that lady aisha was engaged to another man before the prophet muhammed pbuh!!!
And strangely after the prophet's death aisha narrated many stories about their beatiful relationship and became a great teacher for all muslims.
I don't understand why some other religions (Islam in this case) want others to convert to their faith (or at least seek attention and try to announce everywhere someone convered to Islam)...
Mohammed peace be upon him came with the legislation thats says men and women are equal with regards to their rewards punishments. But their duties are different and thats obvious a man cant give birth and stay at home to feed the kids , cook and clean. Ofcouse he can help, but these are parts of the duties of a woman . just like men have to work while women dont have to work.
Mohammed said that a woman is worth half a man. 2:282
Except the feeble among men, and the women........... 4:98
this is due to the fact that women rely on feelings in their thoughts and decision and thats a fact.
Is that indeed a fact?
Secondly if god said so , how dare we question why he said so.
Yeah, that's a pretty big "if". Did god say so? (And if god said murder was good, would you just accept that?) Some scholars, such as Christoph Luxenberg, argue that the Koran is, "based on earlier texts, namely lectionaries used in the Christian churches of Syria, and that it was the work of several generations who adapted these texts into the Qur'an we know today." Of course, that would call into question its supposed transmission to Mohammed from Allah via the angel Gabriel.
It says a lot about the state of scholarship in this field that the author was advised by Muslim friends to publish under a pseudonym, and to remain anonymous for his own safety. See Scholars Scrutinize the Koran's Origin.
corkscrew-balloon.com/02/03/1bkk/04b.html
A quote from this article:
The touchiness about questioning the Koran predates the latest rise of Islamic militancy. As long ago as 1977, John Wansbrough of the School of Oriental and African Studies in London wrote that subjecting the Koran to "analysis by the instruments and techniques of biblical criticism is virtually unknown."
Mr. Wansbrough insisted that the text of the Koran appeared to be a composite of different voices or texts compiled over dozens if not hundreds of years. After all, scholars agree that there is no evidence of the Koran until 691 - 59 years after Muhammad's death - when the Dome of the Rock mosque in Jerusalem was built, carrying several Koranic inscriptions.
Mr. Wansbrough insisted that the text of the Koran appeared to be a composite of different voices or texts compiled over dozens if not hundreds of years. After all, scholars agree that there is no evidence of the Koran until 691 - 59 years after Muhammad's death - when the Dome of the Rock mosque in Jerusalem was built, carrying several Koranic inscriptions.
And if god said murder was good, would you just accept that?
Of course he would not say so because one of his attributes is the all-just.
cubic read the quran and you can judge if its the lords words or not, i wont mention the scientific facts that have been proved and still to be proven, nor the miracle of it being preserved since 1428 years now, and its enough that no one ever have found an error in it. And no one ever has been able to take the challenge mentioned in it to produce something like it.
Read it here and then judge
muslimconverts.com/quran/Quran_index.htm
no one ever have found an error in it
really?
And he followed a road; Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness. (Qur'an 18:85-86)
So the sun has a resting place in some muddy spring?
what happened during the crusades? how many people were burnt for witchcraft etc?
and and and... all in the name of christ...
and and and... all in the name of christ...
But that was long time ago...
why do you doubt that islam is apeaceful religion?
I was joking. I have nothing against theory of Islam... honestly I don't really know what this religion is about and don't want to know but theory and practice are very different things.
without tolerance and respect it will never be possible to live in peace with each other.
Whose tolerance and respect ? Muslims in Europe have exactly the same rights as others, while majority of Muslim countries can be divided into those where Christianity is in fact illegal (like in Saudi Arabia) and those, where It isn't illegal but Christians must keep the low profile or else someone could get "offended" and cut of their heads. Damn, even in majority Christian countries Muslims use to have less tolerance and respect for non-Muslims than the other way around, so what are you talking about ?
read the quran and you can judge if its the lords words or not
What are the guidelines for deciding whether a text was written by a god, as opposed to by humans who are aware of the supposed attributes of the god?
i wont mention the scientific facts that have been proved and still to be proven
If the "scientific facts" are anything like this -- Watch out for the mudghah on the sidewalk -- better not mention them.
scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006/03/watch_out_for_the_mudghah_on.php
Hello everybody,
I'm new here.Some interesting posts.CUBIC..The most important guideline is that u should b seeking the truth.Arrogance leads to no man's land.U r non-muslims with some misconceptions from my point of view.The only way we can benefit from us being here is through being honest.Maybe set some rules.U can always put down questions and if we muslims don't know the answer in Islam we promise to find it according to Islam and not according to us.the2nd rule is not to post anything that u don' have a clue to...
looking forward to hear from u.That's how it looked like Darius....by the way arab christians who do speak arabic have never used this misconception ..u know y? coz it doesn't exist.... this is y translations of the quranic verses r not called "Quran"...the verb that was used in the verse is used to express what u think u saw and not to state a scientific fact... this is it..pleased to help u understand
I'm new here.Some interesting posts.CUBIC..The most important guideline is that u should b seeking the truth.Arrogance leads to no man's land.U r non-muslims with some misconceptions from my point of view.The only way we can benefit from us being here is through being honest.Maybe set some rules.U can always put down questions and if we muslims don't know the answer in Islam we promise to find it according to Islam and not according to us.the2nd rule is not to post anything that u don' have a clue to...
looking forward to hear from u.That's how it looked like Darius....by the way arab christians who do speak arabic have never used this misconception ..u know y? coz it doesn't exist.... this is y translations of the quranic verses r not called "Quran"...the verb that was used in the verse is used to express what u think u saw and not to state a scientific fact... this is it..pleased to help u understand
.Maybe set some rules.U can always put down questions and if we muslims don't know the answer in Islam we promise to find it according to Islam and not according to us.the2nd rule is not to post anything that u don' have a clue to...
your the new guy are you want rules set down, ha ha
King Sobieski 2 | 714
13 Dec 2007 / #114
cant we all just get along??
That's funny..third rule is respect by the way
so do tell, why is it muslims find it necessary to go and beat/kill women who dont wear burkas?
why do they find it necessary to throw people in jail because somebody named a doll Mohammed?
why do they find it necessary to throw people in jail because somebody named a doll Mohammed?
That's how it looked like Darius....by the way arab christians who do speak arabic have never used this misconception ..u know y? coz it doesn't exist.... this is y translations of the quranic verses r not called "Quran"...the verb that was used in the verse is used to express what u think u saw and not to state a scientific fact... this is it..pleased to help u understand
It's always about one little word and it's translation, isn;'t it? :)
There are piles and piles of things various people (including Muhammad) thought they experienced. So as you see, using the same argument, the revelations of the Quran seem like the truth to those who see what thye want to see. And thus, as the sun was perceived as settling in a muddy puddle of water, the Quran itself looks like quite a bit of muddy stuff.
Pleased to have clarified this.
Quran itself looks like quite a bit of muddy stuff.
I think ur just a waste of time, ur not a truth seeker.
U've just been programmed to act like this.
why is it muslims find it necessary to go and beat/kill women who dont wear burkas?
why do they find it necessary to throw people in jail because somebody named a doll Mohammed?
why do they find it necessary to throw people in jail because somebody named a doll Mohammed?
I've never heard of women who got murdered coz they refused to wear the hijab..anyway let's hear Islam's story ;in islamic legislation some crimes have no punishment but forcing the guy to death ..u'll never find "refusing 2 wear the hijab among these".We muslims don't insult ur religion and so deserve the same treatment .I wouldn't make fun of a prophe who i believe Allah sent to guide human race. ppl say they respect human rights but i don't think they show it.Thx marek and plz feel free to ask for more clarification if that was unclear.
Darius ;i don't know y u find it difficult to start a discussion based on reason .just using ur scissors to cut and paste .This is called forgery.
AvJoeUK
14 Dec 2007 / #120
I've never heard of women who got murdered coz they refused to wear the hijab..anyway let's hear Islam's story ;in islamic legislation some crimes have no punishment but forcing the guy to death ..u'll never find "refusing 2 wear the hijab among these".We muslims don't insult ur religion and so deserve the same treatment
Oh If you hadn't heard of it the news storys here
thestar.com/News/GTA/article/284824
And I'd rather not hear Islams version.