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POLAND'S QUASI-BROTHELS?


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446  
4 Jan 2009 /  #1
There are no legally operating brothels in Poland. On paper, that is. What are known as "agencje towarzyskie" (escort agencies) are licenced businesses but under the law all they can do is provifde custoemrs with contacts with female escorts and charge a fee for that servicde.. "Kuplerstwo" (providing premises for debacuhery) as well as deriving a profit from prostitution (pimping) are against the law but it is flagrantly violated.

Poland's Euro-apers have long called for legalised prostitution as usual showing Poland is trailing behind things. Norway has only just introduced a new law punishing, not prostittues but their male clients, and paid sex with someone under 16 can land the offender in gaol for up to 3 years.

By the way, Poland's pro-pot agitators seem not have noticed that even notorious Amsterdam has started cracking down on coffee houses that sell marijuana and hashish. The open sale of allegedly "safe and harmless" marijuana, once hailed by potheads and assorted anarcho-libertines as something oh so "progessive", has turned Amsterdam into the drug capital of Europe. This goes far beyond hemp extracts and includes all manner of opium, cocaine, amphetamine, etc. derivatives toxifying countries and destroyuign young lives all over the continent.
szkotja2007 27 | 1,499  
4 Jan 2009 /  #2
Polonius - do you have a comment on the above or are you just ruminating on loves labours lost?
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
4 Jan 2009 /  #3
Fair enough but the Dutch are very smart people. They are fully aware of the pitfalls that may lay in store for them.

The current Scottish position, well, I don't know. It was the Sexy Sauna case in Edinburgh which governed/governs this area.

Brothels and Poland? Hmm...now that depends on the mafia's powers of persuasion. The mafia often get their way.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446  
4 Jan 2009 /  #4
Just interested in the comments of others -- Poles, Polonians and others. We all have our own opinions on many things, but do not always know what the take of other people might be. Often there are more than jsut 2 sides to a story but 3, 4 or more. That is one of the main benefits of this forum, innit?
wildrover 98 | 4,451  
4 Jan 2009 /  #5
QUASI-BROTHELS?

Are these the places with the Quasi prostitutes...???? don,t fancy a woman with a hump thank you very much.....
Shawn_H  
4 Jan 2009 /  #6
There is supposedly one on the road just south of Bialystok, on the way to Warszawa. I supposedly saw it from afar.
wildrover 98 | 4,451  
4 Jan 2009 /  #7
I am told that on the Szczecin road there is a lady with one leg who operates in team with her daughter....but not seen her...?
Shawn_H  
4 Jan 2009 /  #8
Would these Quasi-Brothels include the shack on the sides of the roads where the girls flag down customers (not to be confused with the ones selling things like mushrooms, strawberries and cherries....).

Cherries... Never mind
wildrover 98 | 4,451  
4 Jan 2009 /  #9
ones selling things like mushrooms,

Ha that made me laugh....Many times when i used to park my truck up for a break i would get these girls coming out of the forest and knocking on my truck door...Always i would ask them...Where is your mushrooms....?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446  
4 Jan 2009 /  #10
No, the roadside nymphettes are called tirówki (from TIR = heavy-duty lorry, as lorry drivers are their main clientele). These are mainly Bulgarian and Ukrainian girls from what I'm told.
wildrover 98 | 4,451  
4 Jan 2009 /  #11
mainly Bulgarian and Ukrainian girls

Yeah i have to say that most of them appear not to be Polish....
LondonChick 31 | 1,134  
4 Jan 2009 /  #12
I remember once driving through a small town on the German-Czech border. Forest for miles and miles, then suddenly what looked like a on-horse town full of strip clubs and brothels, and lots of women hanging out on the streets (in November, when it was freezing and was just starting to snow). I got the impression that many were gypsy / romany.
scott usa - | 63  
4 Jan 2009 /  #13
Thats sad what people half to do for a living
LondonChick 31 | 1,134  
4 Jan 2009 /  #14
Indeed - it is mostly not a choice that they have. But then again, it's not called the oldest profession for nothing.
welshguyinpola 23 | 463  
4 Jan 2009 /  #15
I dunno what Polonius is talking about, in the gdansk there is a strip club cum brothel called Rozi. They have 'rooms' and everything is legal. You cant miss the place, it is not some back street hovel. With all the pink lights around it i dont see how it could be illegal.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446  
5 Jan 2009 /  #16
According to the law sutenerstwo (pimping) and kuplerstwo (providing premsies) are illegal. Apparently the law often turns a blind eye to various things.
dcchris 8 | 432  
5 Jan 2009 /  #17
most polish people I talk to think it should be legal (prostitution) and taxed. I agree. the ladies can get health care and police protection and pay taxes
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
5 Jan 2009 /  #18
it should be legal (prostitution) and taxed. I agree. the ladies can get health care and police protection and pay taxes

I agree, they can also go for regular sexually transmitted disease testing to provent further spread of HIV and other health issues.

Fair enough but the Dutch are very smart people.

I absolutely agree with this, they make the rest of Europe look like we are living in the dark ages.

Brothels and Poland? Hmm...now that depends on the mafia's powers of persuasion. The mafia often get their way.

Q

This would be my main concern if brothels were to open up here.

There is supposedly one on the road just south of Bialystok, on the way to Warszawa. I supposedly saw it from afar.

I drive through Poland often and I always see prostitutes near the forests.
It does not look safe for them.

My main concern about prostitution would be the prostitutes themselves.
Wether prostitution is legal or not is almost irrelevant as it will continue anyway but to have legal working brothels where these girls were looked after and regularly checked is the better option.

As I said before the mafia would be my main concern here but the Mafia seem to flourish more dealing in illegal things.

The open sale of allegedly "safe and harmless" marijuana, once hailed by potheads and assorted anarcho-libertines as something oh so "progessive", has turned Amsterdam into the drug capital of Europe. This goes far beyond hemp extracts and includes all manner of opium, cocaine, amphetamine, etc. derivatives toxifying countries and destroyuign young lives all over the continent.

I don't know how this got in to a thread about prostitutes but your argument (for it is an argument against) seems not to have a problem with cannabis but the other harder drugs.

With all drugs there is use and abuse, people have to learn how to use these responsibly.
Also the Dutch authorities have always held a tight grip and cracked down when necessary, nothing new there.
I think it has become the "drug capital of Europe" as you say, because it is one of the few places where cannabis is decriminalized. If other countries did this, I do not think it would be so bad.

But these are just my opinions and my opinions could change because really it is up to the individual.
Again the Mafia and other gangsters make huge profits out of illegal substances, so maybe it is not such a bad idea to take away their "bread and butter"?.
mafketis 24 | 8,913  
5 Jan 2009 /  #19
Poland's Euro-apers ...
Poland's pro-pot agitators ...

Here's an idea. You might get more and better discussions if you didn't go out of your way to insult people who don't agree with you.

I really doubt if there's a group that could be called "Euro-apers" in Poland on any issue.
In regards to prostitution, various people of various political orientations have different ideas on how to deal with it. My concern is to protect those women (and young men) who go into prostitution on their own (usually out of a combination of desperation, dullness and dysfunctionality) and to prevent people from being forced into prostitution.

The current Polish laws (and most rightwing proposals and some leftwing proposals) do niether.

IINM individual prostitution is not illegal (though not really legal either).
This means that prostitutes who work on their own have to do so in dangerous conditions and making brothels illegal makes it easier to exploit and/or imprison women. No law will make prostitution go away, laws can be done to limit the harm done.

There's nothing that new in the Dutch drug situation either. For myself I think marijuana should be legalized and regulated (though personally I can't stand dealing with chronic potheads).
welshguyinpola 23 | 463  
6 Jan 2009 /  #20
Please look at rozi.pl

one of my former students works as a prostitute here and she told me the boss protects them and apparently they have big men outside the door any time they are with clients.

S tell me there are no brothels in Poland
polishcanuck 7 | 462  
6 Jan 2009 /  #21
S tell me there are no brothels in Poland

Polish cities are littered with brothels. A couple of years ago when i was in poland, there was a police raid on a brothel in wroclaw. In the paper they said that brothels are quite common in poland and are usually disguised as bars/clubs. Others are hidden brothels (in apartment buildings) that only taxi drivers know about. In warsaw people put ads for these brothels on the windshields of cars. Sad.

According to the law sutenerstwo (pimping) and kuplerstwo (providing premsies) are illegal. Apparently the law often turns a blind eye to various things.

This is true. When my cousin worked as a cop in krakow in the 90's - early 00's, he said that the police would quite often turn a blind eye to these "businesses."

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