Homosexuals in Poland / Hands off (PETITION)

If you look at the link you twat, you will see it was about homosexuals and as Jonni mention, he has some gay friends who have moved to Poland because of the persecution in their own countries, countries which were muslim. If you bother to open the link I provided it was not about bashing muslims, it was about gay people who happened to be muslim.

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This isn't an anti-religion documentary - far from it, the subjects are deeply religious and struggle to reject the readings of the Qur'an which condemns them.

You may also want to note, Jonni appreciated my post.


Also you know nothing about me and whether I support gay issues has absolutely nothing to do with you, but there may be a clue in this about my views:


ESAD!

Regarding this:


I had refrained from using the above word until FP thought it was okay for him to call me a Jew which in itself isn't an issue, but the tone he used is! By the way I may start to get offended being called Brit! Same difference!

Right. Certainly nothing to celebrate. Shall we also celebrate alcoholism or any other human idiosyncrasy?

Mr Bubbles, that's just part of what I do in the evenings ;)

Sorry, I forgot that's why we have sex education!! Because without it we wouldn't know how to produce? Right? Sex education covers the emotional as well as the physical. A fair amount of it is aimed at educating people in regards to STD's... why bother with this, if it is JUST about reproduction?


Cheese makers aren't discriminated against in the same way homosexuals are. The whole point of this type of education is to teach people that homosexuality is a natural phenomenon, and not something to be feared or hated. If cheese makers were regularly discriminated against, I'm sure there would be some educational drive to help people understand that cheese makers are ordinary people.

I agree with you, it's not a reason to bash or persecute but many people still do. Thus the need for education. It's a pretty simple concept. This is not about glorifying anything.


Why don't you look the word up:


Which it is, and has been throughout history.


Yeah, because alcoholism is just like homosexuality? Jesus wept.

Who said that? But both are indeed human anomalies that should not be promoted or celebrated or encouraged.

I will not try to hijack the thread,so it's going to be one post regarding the issue.

you can call me twat,but i will never use this words because i'm a decent guy and i would speak to you as if you're in front of me.

Jonni hasn't mentioned prior to your bashing(it was after) anything about Islam and muslims,but you took the opportunity.

I have no problem Jonni appreciates your post,fair enough...he feels passionate about it.


I don't believe in name calling if it offend the other party,I know you have used the word pakis before as early as 2007(as you said,you refrained...fine).

Life is short be kind.

peace and love

and again, I disagree with the school age children, its not something they need to
learn about when plainly they dont even care, they are much more worried about
what new toy is on the televison or what cool resturant they might visit, or
what new place they get to go with mom and dad.. they dont have changes
going on yet, so its not an important issue for them.. and if suggestions are put
into a small childs head, it could lead to bad things..

as it stands.. there have been plenty of young boys trying to fondle young girls
or have done some things that children their age dont/shouldnt know about.

these kids werent born with these suggestions, it has to be someone older doing
these things to them or someone they seen.. a 6 year old boy trying to have sex
with a six year old girl is something someone has either allowed them to see. or
perhaps something more going on in this family ... to me that is a huge problem
and should be fought against. I think the focus should be more on teaching small
children that their body is their own and no one should be touching them in ways
they dont want them too. and if this was something worked into the system
then I would be all for it because sadly, I think more homosexual people come out
of familys where this type of thing occured. so it confused them as children and
they accepted that they felt more comfortable being lead to believe this was how its
supposed to be..

more on this in a few... BRB

And again, this is not what I'm arguing about.


No I said educated, although I'm interested in your concept of encouragement? Is it that you think the promotion and celebration of homosexuality will encourage people to become homosexual? Do you think people can catch 'gay'? More importantly, are you worried that this might happen to yourself?

It’s not about me. Why do the gay advocates always try to implicate others as being gay?

Here in schools they have things like “Celebrate Gays Week!”. Yes, this is agenda driving. Yes, this is a brazen attempt to normalize gay for kids. Yes, it is underhanded indoctrination. Yes, it is wrong. Yes, it has no place in schools.

I agree. There is no need for a celebration. However, I think kids will not go for that sort of conditioning. Their instincts lay elsewhere.

As long as these gays don't flaunt it in front of my face, and try to touch me, I don't give a damn what they do in their free time, in their own home!

Sure. But flaunting it in your kid's face is just what they want to do.

Yes, and I do not agree with that one bit...

thats where we as parents draw the line.. amen randal !!


well apparently everyone who is arguing is talking about it..

and the really stupid part about this is..

just because they are gay.. gay means having a same sex partener.. the only education
offered out of this is for people to understand that two people can like each other
if they are attracted to each other..

other then having sex with each other , what does gay/ gayness or homosexual
have to offer ??

to me its irrelevant, its not my first agenda of the day.. well lets see what gay things
I can do today!! no. its about sex/ preference.. nothing to educate.. nothing to
offer society, you can do that gay or not, offer your help or volunteer without telling
society , hey Im gay and I help people.. that part doesnt matter, its the good person
inside the men and women, who serve in the military, or work in a office near you, or
where ever they work.. being gay is just that.. being gay.. so what!!

I had a friend who would walk up to people, introduce herself and say, I am epileptic
and dislexic.. and the people would look surprised at her announcement, so I talked to
her one day, telling her, listen, you dont have to tell me, or them, or anyone what you
have, no one will think any less of you for it. your a good person and it shows so all
that other garbage doesnt matter, and no one knows this before you shake their hand
so why do you say it?

Her Reply was, oh, People know, so I clarify it for them..

to me this is how someone who is homosexual and announces it is too.
because once they tell someone it becomes an obscession for them to tell
the whole world hoping everyone will be tolerant. your not going to get the
same reaction out of everyone.

Just like my friend..who told everyone hoping she would get sympathy, which
she did, but after a while , it was like that was all she was after and people
became tired of listening to it..

People are not being intolerant, they are just tired of it.

I'm with you, Patrycja.

My friend’s daughter is 9 and within the past year they had the Birds&Bees talk. Then her damn school starts with this all this “Celebrate Gays!” crap. You can imagine the confusion this caused the child. Already she’s perplexed by the whole ‘boys want to put their thing in where?!’ and along comes the gay agenda drivers further confusing her. And let’s face it, there’s not a lot to teach about Gay other than two people of the same sex like each other, etc. So this confused little girl asks her mom how gays ‘do it’. Her mother was mortified. She should not have been put in this position.

Parents should not be forced into having such conversations with their young children only because some gay agenda advocates have decided for everyone that young kids need to be exposed to this.

It is wrong and schools are not the place for it. Everyone should contact their children’s school administrator and voice their displeasure.

You are so right on that. The gay advocates try to convince that every child should learn that thinking it will benefit the gays in the future but all it will do is cause confusion and more hatred. It doesn't matter who likes who, but it does matter when publicly teaching how it is done, confusing the young mind into thinking that everybody does it with the same sex. Some people still have some morality left. This is a personal choice and should not be forced upon anyone.

I only asked the question because your post suggested that homosexuality is something that can be "passed on" to people though promotion, celebration, encouragement etc.. This highlights a fundamental lack of understanding of the nature of homosexuality, as illustrated:


Are are suggesting that (lets say) a 14-year old straight boy, who is taught about the natural phenomenon of homosexuality in sex education, is suddenly going to think:

"I used to fancy that Sarah girl from my history class, but now I have an incurable urge to bugger my mate Dave"

I don't really think indoctrination is an issue.


I am referring strictly to sex education (taught at an appropriate aged). Personally I'd pay as much attention to 'celebrate gays week' as I would the following:

Adopt A Rescued Rabbit Month
AMD/Low Vision Awareness Month
American Heart Month
Bake for Family Fun Month
February is Fabulous Florida Strawberry Month
Festival of Camellias Month
From Africa to Virginia Month
International Boost Self-Esteem Month
Library Lovers Month
Marfan Syndrome Awareness Month
Marijuana Awareness Month
National African American History Month
National Bird Feeding Month
National Black History Month
National Care About Your Indoor Air Month
National Cherry Pie Month
National Condom Month Link
National Children's Dental Health Month
National Get To Know and Independent Real Estate Broker Month
National Laugh-Friendly Month
National Mend A Broken Heart Month
National Parent Leadership Month
National Pet Dental Health Month
National Senior Independence Month
National Time Management Month
National Weddings Month
Plant the Seeds of Greatness Month
Relationship Wellness Month
Return Shopping Carts to the Supermarket Month
Spunky Old Broads Month
Sweet Potato Month
Wise Health Care Consumer Month
Worldwide Renaissance of the Heart Month
Youth Leadership Month

Apparently these are all celebrated in February.

Why not, its a part of life like other parts, should children not learn about smoking and drinking at school? both those things destroy alot more than a gay relationship.


For what reason? Because you feel it isnt right, but u forget that in the UK religion is frowned upon, should every parent tell their school not to teach it?

I totally understand..


right there with ya.. !!!

Are you comparing alcoholics to gays?

Alcoholism is a condition that can, up to certain point, be reversed as it is acquired some years into an individual's life. Therefore it is subject to medical science. Now, try to offer treatment to homosexuals and see how they are all up in arms.


So what does it have specifically to do with homsexuality? What's so specific about gay education? The hole used to be potentially infected? Basic hygiene and precautions have been taught for quite a few decades now. You don't have to have sex, gay or straight, to get STDs.

And yes, sex is about reproduction. All the so called feelings and pleasures surrounding it are a bait. In homosexuality there is only the bait.


Hey, you're trying to twist it now, huh? That wasn;t the point, was it ? :)


I can't see how you are so sure what they need. Some people accept gays some don't. Just like gays accept same gender sex but reject heterosexual sex. Freedom of choice and thought. Now, isn't that a simple concept?

You want to have it with another man? Go ahead. I don't want to see that or know any details. Keep your sex in your bedrooms, gay or straight.

I can certainly see the value of sex education though. If gays want to teach about it why don;t they concentrate on gays, and leave heterosexual kids to heterosexual education.


I did.

Heterosexual relations are widely practiced. Homosexuals are a minority. Much like Polish in the US. It is not prevalent at all, even though there are a few millions Polish speakers in the country. Prevalent carries the notion of majority. Gays certainly do not prevail.

A very vocal minority whose agenda has enjoyed undue favorable exposure from their sympathetic Liberal buddies in the Media.

I’m all for education within reasonable limits. Here is how Gay Education should go in an age-appropriate classroom:

“...And, class, that concludes our lessons on sexual reproduction. There is one other group we have not discussed. They are the Gays. This is where two members of the same sex get together. But since they don’t engage in normal mating practices they don’t reproduce. Never hate anyone just because they’re different than you. End of lesson.”

And this should be the extent of it.

But it is just sex, right? All this over sex. What is sex anyway?

If you don't know this I don't know what to t.... Wait. How old did you say were? And where do you live? ;)

I just feel sorry for anyone who's gotta teach this stuff :(
Okay it's settled...we don't need this stuff in the classroom!

Then settled it is!
Everyone, let your politicians and school administrators know what we have decided.

Certainly homosexualism is not the same as alcoholism but stands in the long row of human little deviation as few shots of bourbon after meal, to be a muslim or catholic, etc. There is no need to advocate or propagandize it, just enjoy.

No, I'm not comparing anything to anything Dariusz. Some see homosexuality as a disease to be treated, like alcoholism. I personally don't.

And what are you comparing it with?

Nothing ;)

I knew it Seanus, brother!