Homosexuals in Poland / Hands off (PETITION)

Sheep, have mercy... I don't have time to read all of that.

That is because you are a moron.

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So after all pedophiles, the fixated offenders, tend to target boys. This makes them in my eyes homosexual pedophiles. Sorry not to meet your standards of intelligence, but I simply choose to study technical stuff in my free time. And as a technical observer a man getting at a boy is a gay pedophile.(point) Nevertheless a nice read, thanks.

Then you will continue to throw out emotionally-based stuff without weighing up the opinions of those who take different positions, Greg.

Yeah, I think Tomek was having a laugh there Irons. I hope so :)

What Tomek failed to add was this, Groth stresses that "these same individuals are uninterested in adult homosexual relationships, which negates his argument. This was directly after his lifting from the article, the very next words.

Good try Tomek ;) I actually read the whole article.

Stop this s*it and try to prove him wrong.

There isn't really any point in having a conversation with tomek about this subject.

Personally I don't give a rats rear if homosexuality is a mental disease or not. They seem to manage pretty well without any remedy so why force any on them?

As for homosexual teachers, I don't see how exactly one sexual preferences should have any impact on the teaching skills of a teacher.

I just did, Greg.

Also, being homosexual is not wrong or sinful in itself, this is the Catholic position.

The issue of the rape of young boys by Roman Catholic priests has been a major scandal in several countries around the world after bishops and cardinals were found to have moved abusers from parish to parish instead of defrocking them or reporting them to authorities. These priests are not only homosexual; they are paedophiles. They are not concerned with celibacy or holiness, but with depravity and porneia, from [archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.com/2008/07/pope-and-paedophiles-archbishop-and.html]

Maybe ask your noble and righteous priests, they seem to have first-hand experience whilst we just discuss the theories of others.

Your evidence is right here in your country. Don't worry, confession made it all ok.

I agree, Matyjasz, they invariably don't teach sex education but sth else where sexuality doesn't matter a whit.

Yawn. If you are going to make a b*llocks statement which implies that a high proportion of homosexuals are paedophiles, the onus should be on you to prove it correct.

I know quite a few homosexuals. None of them are paedophiles to the best of my knowledge.

How many homosexuals do you know Grzegorz?

So what you want is a list like:

Gays who get a boner to young Leonardo Di Caprio
Gays who get a boner to Jude Law
Gays who get a boner to Mel Gibson
Gays who get a boner to Chuck Norris

Going up I disapprove them as teachers more and more. As teachers can have a role model funciton for young people I disapporve the last two ones. The first one could fit the category "fixated offenders", and as such I disapprove their function as teachers upmost strongly to the max.

Again, I agree with this. The onus is very much on Greg. I've known 3 homosexual guys very well in my life. Their morality is not in question at all.

Religious clowns are destroying this world and hampering progress.

answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/557962.html
some nice reading here.

Tomek, having paedophiles in the class is not desirable. But homosexuals? Come on, a teacher who taught kids here just showed them cards and taught basic things. He liked adult, consenting males and not kids.

Being gay doesn't make you a worse Maths, Science, Geography or History teacher.

Where ?


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remember what I said greg :)

that was a old post obviously, but again, gay people have always been citizens, when were they not citizens? when they became gay? sexual preference has nothing to do with citizenship.. if your born polish its automatic, if your becoming gay then you dont change citizenship unless you decide to move to another country right? why make a issue out of nothing..and gays always have equal rights, how can someone deny them this , do they follow them about and watch them in their bedrooms to see if they are gay so they can take away this valuable right?

is there signs on doorways stating, your gay so get the F out? is there seperate bathrooms? seperate drinking fountains? seperate seating arrangements?

WTF does a gay person have to worry about then? some people dont and wont accept it, and I think this is the only reason this keeps being a issue.. as we all have our own sexual preference, it doesnt have to become a national holiday that we have sex with someone..

but then again, we heterosexuals dont have a holiday so I guess I will declare this now!!! 0n a national level.. everyone get out your sexiest undies and prance the streets!! :)

its party time!! we shall call it * NORMIE DAY * lol

On page 15, a direct refutation

And, go and ask them. They seem to be doing all the research for the researchers, LOL

You can share your warped ideas together.

Have you been spying on gay couples through their windows again, Greg? Voyeurism is a perversion you know ;)

You must have been watching the act of sodomy, Greg, as guys kissing is not considered a sin according to the RCC. Sodomy is

Let me say this: There are men who feel attracted towards dumb women, intelligent women, this liek smelling women, the other way like smelling women, blonde women with few hair on arms and asses, darkhaired women with kinda more hair here and there, tall women, shorter women, stong hips, small hips, etc.

You wanna classify each of theese men into different sexual categories?
No, coz this is what through their experience with women, from their mothers on they learned about women and at a certain point developed an appetite towards a certain type of women. And each and every of these men we call a hetro.

Men who developed appetite towards men we call homos.(point)

IMHO the real reason the RC church will never acknowledge homosexuality as normal has nothing to do with scripture (which catholics take a selective view toward anyway) but with a simple fact: if the church says being gay is okay, then it has to deal with it inside the church, which is the _last_ thing it wants to do.

(for clarity: I'm not talking about pedophile priests, another issue the church is in deep, deep denial about).

because it doesn't produce children... no procreation...
no natural way of having family/children...

I myself allways identified with some teachers. I liked math and history and in the later classes we even went on a drink with some collegues and some teachers. There is more than education.

I maybe lacked a male role model in some times of my youth, and was very happy not having a gay teacher as one. Though I had a gay German-teacher in 5+6 th grade, he was very Ok I must addmit.

I'm a strong boy and I bet my sons will be too, as I'm with a strong girl ;) - so no fear from my side. But I of course care for the society - many weak kids out there who just play computer all day and watch gay-pedo japanese cartoons. What happened to good old HE-MAN? ;)

Does the church give its blessing to infertile couples?

Anyway, who cares what they say? Only the weak rely on what some stuffy old biddies/fogies say.

I was taught to form my own opinions based on a consideration of many factors, I don't give a hang for the opinion of any church as a definitive authority.

I wonder if their ideas 'rub off' on one another, LOL

Getting the consent or blessing of the church for a private and consensual activity and LEGAL) based on their natural orientation is plainly absurd.

glapn.org/sodomylaws/usa/usnews32.htm
America moved forward, why can't Poland?

it came to my mind... what does the church states about that...?

This also applies to infertile heterosexual couples.

What is normal?

But he criticised the stance of bishops who threaten the clergy with enmity should their relationships become public. Speaking in an interview in London,

timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2155865.ece

well they exist in your neighborhoods too Seanus.. dont just blame the catholics.

No need to worry, the incidence of homosexuality is very low.

Breathe, people, breathe ;) 1,2,3...aaaagh!

Hey Patty, don't get me wrong, it was merely incidental that I was reading Catholic press. Protestants are guilty of the same.

Not all couples are infertile. But all homosexual couples are.

Irrelevant. If the church wants to be consistent, then it needs to say that infertile people shouldn't monopolize a fertile partner (and fertility tests should be carried out before the church gives it's blessings to a couple).

But most people don't want the church to be consistent about much of anything, they want it to reinforce and comfort them in their biases.

As I said, let it be their issue how they get kids. There are plenty of heterosexuals to procreate and create new progeny.

I believe homosexuality could be cured in every individual, through their own control, like through meditation. Some maybe became gay through a unlucky love to a woman etc. and rather do not want to be reminded and stay thereby gay.

Those individuals would rather prefer to stay gay, its OK. But live with the consequences, well they must. No teaching!

That's not true now, is it? What does the church say about heterosexual infertile couples?

people don't become gay... they are born gay...
same like you were born heterosexual... nobody thought you that etc.

With the greatest respect, this is because you do not personally know any homosexuals. If you did, you would realise that what you have written is utter rubbish.

Homosexuality is not a concious choice.