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How Fast is the Polish Legal System?


lowfunk99 10 | 397  
3 Aug 2009 /  #1
How long does it take to do something in the Polish legal system?

I want to fight my ban from Poland and the EU. I know that its probably not worth it and I should just wait.
tj123 - | 85  
3 Aug 2009 /  #2
I am quite sure people will be along after to argue...and that's fine...but you clearly know the answer to your own question. By the time you pay lots of money and wade through the mess your ban will be either over or nearly over. Think about how everything is in Poland...from the grocery store checkouts to a bank...the courts are worse.

I am sorry you had to go through this and I am sorry you miss your gf...good luck whatever you choose.
Harry  
3 Aug 2009 /  #3
I want to fight my ban from Poland and the EU. I know that its probably not worth it and I should just wait.

It's certainly not worth it. Apart from anything else, as far as I know you have no case at all. From what I know about your case, you spent more than 90 days inside the Schengen zone during a 180-day period and did not have a visa. Just because you left Poland once every three months does not mean you got another three-month tourist visa when re-entering.

So even if you hadn't been working without a work permit, you still would have been breaking Polish law!
dcchris 8 | 432  
3 Aug 2009 /  #4
I also feel bad for you but on the other hand I am very happy that I spent all that time and effort to play by the rules and get my permission to stay. It was well worth it although I do dread the next one in a year... I guess its a roll of the dice if you try to stay illegally or do the border runs to Ukraine.
tj123 - | 85  
3 Aug 2009 /  #5
Lowfunk...there are those of us who think you got a raw deal and actually listened to the actual details of your deportation. Don't pay any mind to the comments of the slimey brit who loves to **** on people's situations...he can't pay attention to anything beyond his own ego. He is the type who screams about rules and laws but will be the first to circumvent them when it benefits him or to whine when they don't work like he claims. Some people like him just love to smirk at others misfortune. Just remember not everyone is like that.

I hope you can keep things in good shape with your relationship.

Regarding legal issues your time would be better spent trying to ensure the school is punished for scamming you and the system. Make a lot of noise about it and embarrass them...they need a good reputation to get business...the fact is they misled you in order to avoid the work and cost of helping you properly. They took advantage of the fact that YOU would get booted and they would get a slap on the wrist...this is all too common here. Hammer them with bad publicity.
Harry  
3 Aug 2009 /  #6
he can't pay attention to anything beyond his own ego.

Clearly you can't be talking about me because I'm able to pay attention to the information posted on the website of the American embassy in Warsaw about the need to get a residence permit if you want to spend more than 90 days in any 180-day period inside the Schengen area.
OP lowfunk99 10 | 397  
3 Aug 2009 /  #7
I tried to do everything legal.

They did help me with all the paperwork except the work permit.

They paid for 3 trips to leave Poland.

I am sure a work permit is much cheaper then that.

I am not asking for all this drama.

I asked a simple question about the Polish legal system
Harry  
3 Aug 2009 /  #8
I asked a simple question about the Polish legal system

And as stated above, there is no point in trying to do anything involving the Polish legal system: you overstayed your visa and got caught. You may have been told that what you were doing was legal but ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking it. If you'd been a Pole illegally working in the USA, you would have got a lot less time that seven days to leave the country and would be banned for a lot longer than one year too.
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
3 Aug 2009 /  #9
lowfunk99

For some reason I had an impression you had Polish roots, no?
Harry  
3 Aug 2009 /  #10
That makes no difference to the need to get a residency permit, unless the roots are so strong that a passport can be obtained.
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
3 Aug 2009 /  #11
unless the roots are so strong that a passport can be obtained.

that's what I looking at
Harry  
3 Aug 2009 /  #12
Yes, but even if he does qualify for a Polish passport, it'll probably take until after his ban has expired before he gets confirmation of Polish citizenship.
tj123 - | 85  
3 Aug 2009 /  #13
Clearly you can't be talking about me because

Wrong again Hairy. At least you are consistent.

Lowfunk you know the answer to your initial question. The Polish legal system is like all things in Poland...slow, inefficient and corrupt to some degree. You know this...everyone here knows this...I truly wish there was a better option for you and I am sorry so many people are being ******** about it.
Harry  
4 Aug 2009 /  #14
What a surprise to see you b*tching about Poland!

In your drivel about the Polish legal system, you forget one tiny little detail: the original poster very clearly broke Polish law. He was supposed to have a residency permit, even his own embassy were telling him to get a residency permit, he didn't get a residency permit. That's why he is out of the country now. If anything, him being deported shows that the Polish system is working!
Wroclaw Boy  
4 Aug 2009 /  #15
The Polish legal system is like all things in Poland...slow, inefficient and corrupt to some degree.

Thats a bold statement

What happened to?

clearly just another attempt to slur the great Polish race like every other negative thing said about them.

tj123 - | 85  
4 Aug 2009 /  #16
The Polish 'law' works when it benefits someone to have it work. It is great press to deport an American...there was even an article about it. Makes Poland feel mighty and powerful.

Lowfunk was also scammed by dishonest Poles in the school. It shows this deep cultural flaws that have ingrained cheating and ignoring these "rules" It shows the character of people here in this forum that they are attacking lowfunk and not the Poles who cheated him.

It doesnt matter what the rules say when people dont enforce them fairly on consistently...they only do when it somehow profits or benefits them. Even the civil court system is a big 'business'. Money changing hands and egos pushing back and forth.

If only Hairy would just stop embarrassing himself...its becoming pitiful.
OP lowfunk99 10 | 397  
4 Aug 2009 /  #17
A person can't get a work permit on their own. I can't just go into the office and ask for one.

It takes the help of person's company. I asked at least 20-25 times for them to do the work permit.
tj123 - | 85  
4 Aug 2009 /  #18
Yep we know how it is. Don't mind the brits and other retards who seem to love kicking you when you are down.
sledz 23 | 2,250  
4 Aug 2009 /  #19
you overstayed your visa and got caught.

If somebody comes to America and overstays thier visa, I want them to be thrown out!

So if thats what this poster did, he really shouldnt complain because he broke thier Polish law and should return home.

If you immigrate to America legally, I dont care what country youre from..witam:)
tj123 - | 85  
4 Aug 2009 /  #20
If you are going to require documents of someone you must make them available and follow your own rules. It's like telling someone you can only stay if you have something that MAY or MAY NOT be in a box on the other side of a minefield. The person can suffer the way to the other side and still find the box empty even though they did everything by the "rules". Then you hear stupid things from people here like "threaten them with a stack of the printed out law" or "get a lawyer". The problem with the Polish system is they are not honest and consistent.

Lowfunk did not come here with the intent to work without a permit. In fact he did everything reasonable to try and get the permit. He is unable to go GRAB one from the office. He needs the cooperation of a few different people and they refused to cooperate. But as usual the Poles and their fans blame others. We all know Poles are perfect and never wrong...and rules are for everyone else.

Certain members of this forum have no doubt sent several people into the process expecting for it to go by a logical path....it does not and it is an injustice to lie to people and have them expect it will
sledz 23 | 2,250  
4 Aug 2009 /  #21
and rules are for everyone else

Ive notice this in America, Some poles come here and think they dont have to follow the rules. Take my neighbors for example: I must of asked them nicely 50 times to stop parking thier cars on my property, I have private property and tenant only parking signs posted.

The first time they pretended they couldnt speak English ( also a bunch of liars)
First it was 5 minutes and Ill move, BS more like 5 hours.

After all the warnings that I gave them they continue to do it, So I hired a private towing company and after they were towed and had to pay top get thier cars back they finally stopped.

They hate me now but I dont care, I seen one of them racing down the alley in his BMW and almost ran over a 3 year old little girl.

My neighbor called the police and he was arrested for driving with out a license.

Laws apply to everybody, Poles dont seem to get it over here??
Harry  
4 Aug 2009 /  #22
Lowfunk was also scammed by dishonest Poles in the school. It shows this deep cultural flaws that have ingrained cheating and ignoring these "rules" It shows the character of people here in this forum that they are attacking lowfunk and not the Poles who cheated him.

He was not scammed by a school. He didn't bother getting a residency permit. That was his choice, his responsibility. His own embassy told him to get a residency permit! Nobody cheated him, he tried to cheat.

A person can't get a work permit on their own. I can't just go into the office and ask for one.

It takes the help of person's company. I asked at least 20-25 times for them to do the work permit.

So you just don't work for them. It's not exactly rocket science to figure that out.

And even if you had got a work permit, it wouldn't have mattered: you were illegally in Poland, that is why you were deported.

So if thats what this poster did, he really shouldnt complain because he broke thier Polish law and should return home.

Yes it is precisely what he did.

It doesnt matter what the rules say when people dont enforce them fairly on consistently

And yet you b*tch when the rules are enforced.

Laws apply to everybody, Poles dont seem to get it over here??

Neither do certain Yanks over here.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649  
4 Aug 2009 /  #23
I hope no one in my town sees this website :(
I don't want all these negative stereotypes about Poles extended to me.
Wroclaw Boy  
4 Aug 2009 /  #24
He needs the cooperation of a few different people and they refused to cooperate.

Im of the opinion that if really wanted a work permit and placed that must do thing at the top of his list none of this would have happened. Its easy to blame others once its too late. He probably thought hed never get caught.
tj123 - | 85  
4 Aug 2009 /  #25
And predictably Hairy quotes and tries to refute me...but falls on his chubby little british chin. It's funny to watch who he defends...it depends on who is involved and who he hates more...it has nothing to do with reality. When will he learn he doesn't matter much and the truth is what it is and it doesn't matter what he and those like him claim here? I doubt soon ;)

He probably thought hed never get caught.

I know that is how Poles are used to operating so I can see how steroid rage boy here would project that onto others...Poles LOVE to blame others and not take responsibility for the faults in their culture and systems. It's bizarre.

Laws apply to everybody, Poles dont seem to get it over here??

They are just bitter they can't bribe their way out of it anymore. They are not used to rules being consistent and sensible.
Wroclaw Boy  
4 Aug 2009 /  #26
It takes the help of person's company. I asked at least 20-25 times for them to do the work permit.

You needed to set up camp out side their office mate, keep on and on and on till somebody did something about it. You know what their like you gotta be all over them like white on rice to make anything happen.
Harry  
4 Aug 2009 /  #27
the truth is what it is and it doesn't matter what he and those like him claim here

The truth is that your countryman did not have a residency permit when he should have had one. That is why he was deported. He thought that he was above the rules and the rules came back to bite him in the arse. Are all Yanks as arrogant and stupid as you?

Im of the opinion that if really wanted a work permit and placed that must do thing at the top of his list none of this would have happened.

Even if he had got a work permit, he still would have been deported. Once he made his first 'visa run' to try and get another 90-day tourist visa, he was screwed. Since Poland joined the Schengen zone it has not been possible to do visa runs. As the American embassy here tells its citizens. As he was here illegally a work permit would have been of no use to him: he had overstayed his tourist visa and so would have been deported regardless of whether he had a work permit or not! He's just blaming the school because he doesn't want to take responsibility for his own mistakes.
Wroclaw Boy  
4 Aug 2009 /  #28
steroid rage boy here

Who Harry? Dont think so.
Harry  
4 Aug 2009 /  #29
He's talking about you I think.
Wroclaw Boy  
4 Aug 2009 /  #30
Since Poland joined the Schengen zone it has not been possible to do visa runs.

Gotta love the EU.

Wroclaw Boy:
Who Harry? Dont think so.
He's talking about you I think.

He does like his name calling ive noticed, always a good sign that somebody is loosing an argument.

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