nice subject that i would like to reply on. i have been working in both countries and at this very moment still in China. i must say out of experience, that all products made in China, by fully owned foreign company or by joint venture with foreign management, there is a tight quality control. companies as philips, nike, mobile phone companies (can not mentione the names here), etc have been producing with more than acceptable quality. you leave it to chinese companies or management and the troubles begin. buying low quality base materials to lower the cost, working with subcontractors that do not care a bit about quality, working with employees and workers that do not care at all about their jobs... those are the problems on products we buy in our Western world that brakes down Chinese reputation. for Chinese people, i can only say that most of them are corrypt, have no clue about the definition of a contract and do not really care about, they can only think about today's profit and not tomorrow's. to tell shortly, you are a low level, low quality kind of people, lying in everyone's face to make some quick deal, cheating on your own family.
as for foreign companies: what do you think how long this China boom will remain??? give or take another 10 max 15 years and all goes back to Europe for it will become too expensive again to produce here.
I think it's more likely that production will shift to another country with a lower cost labor force--globalization is a genie that can't easily be put back in the bottle. Jobs exported abroad rarely if ever return to the country of origin. The name of the game these days is value-added. If you're not adding value, you're at competetive risk unless you're in a protected market.
Generaly I have bad experiences with Chinease products, specially with those made by native Chinease companies. I've noticed, that when it comes to clothes, you can easily find Polish products much better than Chinease and of similar price! When it's about electronic devices, only those are OK which had been designed in Europe/US and just assembled in China. I don't like to see Chinease companies selling their cheap electronics in Poland and knocking out polish electronics companies (yes, there are such firms!). People are ready to buy a little bit cheaper things even if they are of a dramatically bad quality :(.
Thanks very much for your dicussing. I have read all your words here. But I would like to know how many of you have been China? You know China is so big, And there are millions company in each product. If all of them are in bad quality. I don't think they can stay up in the world. Even if the price is low.
I do hope that you will come to china to have your visit. Here has a lot changed. Especially our minds on quality and how to keep company have long business. Now we pay more and more attention on quality. And also my government is very strict with the export good's quality.
At present my country's advantage is the low cost in labor and land. But also there are many high-tech companies taken up the world market. Even beated the famous european company. Such as Hua wei. ZTE in telecom, The Greet, Chunlan, Grandz Haier in House electroics. And Lenovo in computer.
And in my experience in international business. People always bargin with my in very very low price. They must think that china company is the maggic. No need any cost. Some company will refuse the horrible low price business so that they can keep good reputation in quality. But if the company need order badly. Then they will promise the low price and then provide much poorer quality. For in China, We believe that low price low quality. High price high quality.
hey Beyontel, about 10 yrs ago i lived in Beijing for one year, having a wonderfull time and job. at this point i live in a smaller East coast city for already 3.5 yrs.
indeed China is big and i can assure you that i have seen many places by now. a lot has changed indeed, though that is merely in the biggest cities as Beijing, Shanghai, Qingdao, Nanjing, Senzhen. i must say that those are the only ones that are rather up to date with our Western world for you refer to "world cities".
the more you go out those cities, the more you go back in time! our company exports daily, the government has nothing to do with that neither with the quality. i have never ever seen one government inspector exept for drinking Beizhou during expensive diners and receiving gifts. well we put a stop on that and the reaction was that we got more and more problems within our business. as for your famous chinese companies, Lenovo indeed is increasing its market shares and is rather good in quality, Haier can not sell more then 20% of its portfolio in Europe and needs to sell extremely competitive. the remaining of the ones you mentioned are good as unknown or not accepted.
china's advantage indeed is the low labour cost, though that will change soon as wages are rising in major cities. anyway, if it is for high quality and high tech, you are merely following European and US companies.
Thanks very much for your reply there. I am very glad that you have worked in China. Yes, The problems you mentioned is still in many cities in China. The government officer will just ask the investor to have them gift,money,and invite them to trave abroad. But they do nothing. Just because they are in charge of some departments. And they can decide if they will proivde you some right----I mean the right you should have.
But the trend is changing now. At first. The centrial government sweared to have those **** officers left government. Second. The investors is in big power. They know what they should do when those officer ask for bribe.
Though the corruption is still serious. But really we are changing. And I think when you back to china. And you will have big surprise. I hope we can have our first meeting in China. You are welcome to back China.
I am James from China. My company is the voip prodcut manufacture in China. And we realy would like to develop Poland market.
Chinese products are bluntly put - SH*T. They look ok when you buy them but they start breaking a week from the date you bought them!
Their quality is clearly inferior, plus I prefer to buy european and polish products rather then give my money to chinese... Yes I know I'm awful like that!
Dear Ronek. Thanks for your franky here. Yes there are many many bad quality product from china. Just as there are many kinds of birds in the forest
I think you can see at first the Japan product and South Korean product are also very bad quality when they begin to appear in the international market. But now, The Japan cargo is famous for the good quality.
I think also Chinese cargo will have to bear the time also. I am sorry some of bad quality chinese cargo hurt your impression on Chinese cargo.
But I think you must know that Lenovo has purchased IBM PC department. And now Gree and GLanz is developing very very fast in the interinational market. And they are very famous for the good quality. So I think that's the Chinese cargo future
China OK, but you should finally kick out the commies
When I make a purchase I look for the quality , I am making an investment in the porduct , if it is a t-shirt I choose the one that fits my body , will not fall apart, fade , or shrink . After all I spent my own time looking for the product I do not want to go shopping every week for new same t-shirt . I use the same rules no matter what I purchase (especially now all the talk about CO2 emissions China
should make product that will last ! its not the quantity but quality !
I worked for a company selling Chinese made security doors....The people who bought them in Poland bought them because they were much cheaper than Polish made doors.....Quality didn,t seem to be an issue....
I value product produced in the Republic of China highly. I recently bought a 30years old Taiwan-made Canon-camera - very happy with it!
But PRC - just cheap copies made by people who jail randomly, execute 10000 a year and who are proud to be the cheapest on the world and to exploit their owns under the banner of communism.
The 7,62 rounds have good price/quality ratio one must admit though.
Even many people said that quality of Chinese goods are inferior, Chinese goods still are sold all over the world. One side,we have to admit that it have a good rate of quality and price.
The othe side ,nowadays, it's a throw away world. There are many people who pursue fashion blindly. They pay more attention to the outlook of goods than the inner function. Good quality is not the most important element. When new fashion come into the market, the old one will be deposed.
No one should be blam. Where is a demand, there is a marketing.That depand on us, every customer. We have to change our buy opinion. Only in this way, can we put an end of inferior goods.
