I want to go to poland but worried about the army

HI
i am 18 born in poland,but moved to Australia when i was 5. I would like to go to Poland to visit my family but i have been told that if i go o wouldn't be able to come back because the i would have to join the army.I have been told that buy a few people now and i am scared that if i go that i will not be able to come back to Aus. if anyone knows anything it would be a great help.

thankyou

I think there is no obligation to do national service if you have a second citizenship.
Ask your local Polish consulate, although I must admit they cannot be relied on to know their backside from their elbow, so to speak.

True. Besides unless he comes for long how would WKU find him ? No way. And even If then first there is komisja lekarska and so on...

I thought about this conflict, but came to the conclusion that they wouldn't make you serve if you came to study at one of the universities. Poland is extremely good at "Informatyka" (computer programming) and consecutively won the world title... if you're interested. Because Poland is expanding, they wouldn't pull you from university to make you serve in the army.

The only problem is that i woudnt be going over to study...
Does any1 know how old u have to be to not be considered for the army?

27 I think, but what are you going to do ? Visit for a few weeks or what ?

planning to stay for a few months...

That stinks. In this day and age that you must serve in any Army is ridiculous.

I don't think that they will find you within a few months, anyway It's not that they take you out of home and put in the uniform, first local civilian administration need to register you as a future conscript (and they inform you to come and sign something, so you know when that happens), next there are medical tests and at lest a few moths more before conscription...

Besides, don't you have a dual citizenship ?

(and military service was reduced to only 9 months :) )


Why ?

The army is not for everyone. Its voluntary here in Ireland and the UK (and the UK had conscribtion) the quality of the soldier and mentality is better when they want to be there.

I served four years voluntarily and i can say i wouldnt want someone who was forced into it serving with me when there mind is not on the job.

Also, In today's society, there are fair better civil services to 'conscript' people into. Like Getting doctors to serve in health, accountants in the civil service, engineers in the depts. etc etc. and you can do that for 9 months also!

A way to ensure all citizens contribute their level of education to society rather than marching up and down a square (which i found fun in my four years - i just know its not for everyone and not to be forced on the unwilling)

IMHO - 2 cents

Poor boy... one shouldn't be having such dilemma... not being able to go visit his family, country and all that because of the army!?!? humm... if there is something I'm really happy of my little, tiny, almost invisible country is exactly that... we don't have an army! wouldn't the world be a better place w/o it?!?

it would be nice - but to use a reference in another thread. in a community of 100, it takes just 1 person to spoil it, commit crimes etc. We need ppl to enforce the laws of a society so all can live in relative harmony and to be able to prosper.

as to armed forces, well unfortunatly there still are threats to society that the police cannot tackle on there own.

Drugs, terrorism, hooliganism/riots, etc

though, i aspire to work for what you mention :)

Yes, well I understand you brought very reasonable points... Because, actually even in our country, there is sometimes illustrations of that "weakness" of surveillance... it's just sad to realize that we are doomed!!! There ALWAYS has to be a bad apple among the group! Because even if the army was just there to "protect", to make sure that the society doesn't turn into chaos... Still, someone, somewhere will manage to break through the system... or even from the army, there will more likey be someone abusing of the power he/she beholds... Sad and disapointing... But I still have to keep hope alive and believe that maybe someday (at least in my dreams) it will work out!

thats why we must always have checks and balances, checks and balances.

for every bad apple there are many, many good ones and some that are just the polar opposite to the one very bad one.

time has shown that our ways have changed and are always changing that those who do wrong are getting caught and punished.

while there are still many exceptions. its not a perfect system, but it is a learning one.

But you are on the islands... And I don't think that Swiss and Sweds would have draft If that was so ridiculous.

Wow, I had no idea that it was mandatory to give service in the armed forces in Poland. Is it just for males or females too? How old are most when they go in? Is it really only 9 months to serve? What about in the case of war.....can one be called to come back and serve? Very interesting topic.

didnt stop the UKs centuries of warfare. moot point G.


i didnt say it was ridiculous. I said that there are other alternatives that are better serving to society. It is for each society to determine the use of its resources.

Switzerland has a unique position in Europe and there will always be 'exceptions to the rule' G
:)

bottem line is MORE countries Do not use conscription, espcially in times of peace.


if you go to university you can avoid it

Can one avoid it legally by going to work abroad?

Learning system?... I would unfornately not be so sure... but hey it's better, overall specially!
Though, I do not know why I have the impression that we do not learn from obvious past and not-so-past experiences. Maybe it's the lack of knowledge, the lack of wish to learn, the lack of really sharing the news. Because if you think about it, there are many situations in the world right now that could have avoided millions of people suffering. If only they would stop and think about what happened in past experiences or even what's happening to other human beings right now... Anyways! hehe

But if they can serve upto the age of 27....will they have to enlist after university....most people finish before that age?

if you are done with the Univeristy before reaching 27, you still have to serve less than a year I believe.

IS it only true for men, or are women included?

by saying its better, your implying it was worse first. therefore your saying the system has 'learned' by getting better. it didnt just happen out of thin air get better :)


personal agendas, power, corruption, corruption of power.
these situations had failed to have checks and balances in place toi prevent such

and even then, its not yet perfected. by each mistake they learn.
close loopholes. etc


no idea


that doesnt hold true to my friends. 24-26 who are finished college and working awya in wroclaw


no idea

I was refering more to the quality of life and yes, maybe respect of human rights (even the statement of human rights it's an improvement itself). But you must admit that those who should really learn from the past (country leaders, specially) do not really. I mean how much of the real information do we get? It's spooky to think (at least for me) that chances are the "oh-so-glorious-hero" is actually the bad apple... humm... or am Ijust being a little bit too paranoid?

Is it that bad to serve Polish army ? I would be proud to serve in Army of their history :)

i never denied it :)


who wrote those? hmmm? these are an example of people who saw the old system did not work and provided changes ie an improvment from lessons (usually hard ones) from the past

ergo. learning from the past.

not everyone does tica, to which ive already stated



i think its a matter of choice - being able to want to serve rather than forced. besides not everyone is like you and me and want to serve. Some just want to dentists, shopkeepers some just dont want to be told.

Ranj,
Only men. I belive the only country with obligatory army service for women is Israel (3 years, if I am correct).

well, there are a lot of people who will do anything to avoid going to the army and many succeeded in the past, by staying longer at the uni, getting false doctor certificates etc, leaving the country and so on.

same in nearly any country with mandatory military service

it just shows how unpopular it is.

even those that dont go to such lengths and serve ,hate it

i know very view ppl who were conscripted and enjoyed the experience.

unlike a voluntary service - whereby they choose to be there.

I dont see conscription in poland lasting the next 10 years. It hasnt in the UK, france, US, etc.

I was born in Poland but have an Australian citizenship if i go and visit poland for a few months would i be able to return to Australia?

And also does that mean that every polish man that is born in poland has to serve in the army at some point of his live?

If so is there many other countries like that...

if you have dual citizenship like Kanagroo-Polish then i don't believe you have to serve in the army:)