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What is the hardwood lumber demand like in Poland?


outintheyard 27 | 517  
22 Jan 2008 /  #1
What kind of cost per bd foot do you pay for walnut oor species like cherry?
hello 22 | 891  
22 Jan 2008 /  #2
Demand is only when builders are building new homes. Currently it's lower than in the last few years, but the demand should pick up soon.
plk123 8 | 4,149  
22 Jan 2008 /  #3
i'm thinking it would be in metres or square metres
aligator_s - | 77  
23 Jan 2008 /  #4
i have not seen any cherry commercially grown in Poland. There are some stands of walnut though. Poland produces a lot of beech and oak and huge quantities of softwood.

Cherry and walnut are not used for construction purposes at all in Poland.
OP outintheyard 27 | 517  
23 Jan 2008 /  #5
I was thinking more of cabinet and furniture production or fine trim in expensive homes
plk123 8 | 4,149  
23 Jan 2008 /  #6
Cherry and walnut are not used for construction purposes

hardwoods aren't really structuraly as stable as sofwoods thus never really used. cherry, oak, hickory etc.. are all decorative woods used as vaneers and non structural items.
jake72  
23 Jan 2008 /  #7
My dear wife informs the word to search for is "tartak".
I am a furniture maker. Here in modern metric Britain, timber is still bought in imperial measurements or a "cubic foot".
Crazy, you go to a shop and ask for a "2' by 4', 2.4 metres long please".
I am interested in Polish timber as well, If I find any good sites I will let you know.
I want good quality Birch.

jake
plk123 8 | 4,149  
23 Jan 2008 /  #8
tartak = lumber mill

the foot (inches and such) are still used in PL on some occasions.. there probably still are a few old foggies that are used to that type of measurment.. i know my gramps (rip) had no issues using the english measurments at all.. that is what he grew up with in eastern PL.
OP outintheyard 27 | 517  
24 Jan 2008 /  #9
Jake! what do you make on Birch Do you ever use other hardwoods? AND PLK123 My house is built of oak and walnut and I would say is very strucurally stable. It is cost that is the real issue
Wroclaw 44 | 5,384  
24 Jan 2008 /  #10
hardwoods aren't really structuraly as stable as sofwoods thus never really used.

This is not true at all. The reason that European hardwoods are not used is simply that they take too long to grow.
Many Rain Forest hardwoods are banned in Europe.
It is also cost that prevents the use of hardwoods

My house is built of oak and walnut

I'd love to see it.
OP outintheyard 27 | 517  
24 Jan 2008 /  #11
Europe has banned rain forest hardwoods Another step the US is to chicken to take. Over hear we cut down redwoods that are thousands of years old all so some millionare can have a deck
plk123 8 | 4,149  
24 Jan 2008 /  #12
very strucurally stable.

yes, the all old homes in US are made of hardwoods.. main one in IN is poplar but softwoods are better in strength. almost 2x as strong.. depending on the species.

This is not true at all. The reason that European hardwoods are not used is simply that they take too long to grow.

actually it is.. look into it... i've tasted strenghts of wood and i can assure you that i am correct.

Europe has banned rain forest hardwoods Another step the US is to chicken to take. Over hear we cut down redwoods that are thousands of years old all so some millionare can have a deck

redwood has special properties that no other wood does.
osiol 55 | 3,922  
24 Jan 2008 /  #13
You can reach the point where more strength is not actually important.

One thing about many hardwood species (broadleaf trees) is that you fell a tree and it grows back again.
You fell a conifer and it's dead - you don't have the mature rootstock to regrow from.
But the softwood trees used for timber production still grow faster and cheaper.

In a way, it's more about fashion than function.
OP outintheyard 27 | 517  
24 Jan 2008 /  #14
First of all it depends on the test as in compressive as well as tension and bending A s far as redwood properties the use for such properties I s not required with todays synthetics. Of couse the synthetics are a cost to the environment and I agree on the redwood being the choice I just disagree on the old growth forest logging. There are plenty of new forestation projects that have been arround for many years and can be used for lumber and are used accordingly. We can save the old trees.
aligator_s - | 77  
25 Jan 2008 /  #15
very good point. it also depends on the species and the conditions that it grew in. whether softwood had been thinned and brashed to prevent excessive knot development. There is a huge difference in strength between lime a hardwood and hornbeam another hardwood.

Oak generally takes a lot of beating when it comes to strength, that is why it was used to make the hulls of the old sailing ships instead of using pine.
FIOL - | 11  
25 Jan 2008 /  #16
Prices of wood (cubic meters) in Poland
Cherry (american cherry) from 5500 to 6320 PLN netto
Walnut from 4400 to 7200 PLN netto
Oak from 2400 to 5100 PLN netto

I have to konow,what class and sizes you want.
jake72  
25 Jan 2008 /  #17
Hi Fiol

Thanks for the info.

Do you have any links to timber suppliers who would sell smaller amounts.

I prefer lighter timbers, beech, ash,maple birch.
I was told to search for "dostawcy drewna"
couldn't find any suppliers though.
thanks
plk123 8 | 4,149  
25 Jan 2008 /  #18
First of all it depends on the test as in compressive as well as tension and bending

in both of those, most softwoods are more desirable.. hardwoods definitely lead in abrasion tests, for sure.

We can save the old trees.

i totaly agree. :)
jake72  
29 Jan 2008 /  #19
Update.

Im in Poland for a few days visiting wifes family.
The word to search for is "tarcica", literally means planks of wood.

Very sad, but even though I am only here for a few days I still visited a timber yard.
They had a small selection, Beech, Birch,Oakand some mahogany.
It was air dried so not ideal for furniture.
But search for tarcica and quite a few companies appear.
Good luck
OP outintheyard 27 | 517  
29 Jan 2008 /  #20
Now I am wondering about any needs I may be able to supply for in Poland I have vast resources of timber and three mills here at your service.
jake72  
29 Jan 2008 /  #21
Well for my hard work today, you could supply me a lifetimes supply of high quality Maple and other American timbers if you like!
To be honest the timber I saw today was not very good quality.
Poland has vast forest resources, I am surprised that they do not export much, lack of infrastructure I suppose.

Talking of forests, I am going to Finland next month - now that is a country with forest resources...
Wroclaw 44 | 5,384  
29 Jan 2008 /  #22
I am surprised that they do not export much, lack of infrastructure I suppose.

Some supplies are actually coming in from Russia/Siberia.
OP outintheyard 27 | 517  
29 Jan 2008 /  #23
High quality seems to be the problem here to . It is the cost and you can get what you payed for. Moisture content is the big concern. I wonder what the transport costs would be to Poland and the change in moisture. Maybe it would be better to send lumber there green un kilned and kiln it there Any thoughts?
FIOL - | 11  
29 Jan 2008 /  #24
Do you have any links to timber suppliers who would sell smaller amounts.

Yes,I have,because its my job.
Try to serach "tartaki","tarcica",or e-mail me.
OP outintheyard 27 | 517  
30 Jan 2008 /  #25
Jake ,I am wondering If I could sell you some v good wood. It could also be crated in good wood such that the crate coud be used also Or the tricjk would be to supply another company with special crating to ship their merchandise and you get the crates which would be made of good lumber maybe screwed together rathther than nailed to keep the crate lumber from spliting Your thoughts?
jake72  
1 Feb 2008 /  #26
Hi FIOL.

Thanks for your message.
I did try to message you but for some reason I couldnt send,
Anyway I am back in the UK now, but will be back in Poland soon.
I would love some links to timber companies, for the moment just for my own uses.
But I ahve been thinking of ways to earn a living to enable us to live in Poland, so you never know - timber exporter might work !

My wifes family is based on the North Coast (koszalin), but any excuse to travel around visiting timber yards.

Furniture - all I can find in Poland is sprayed MDF furniture, or Gdansk style heavy dark furniture. Do you know of any companies who make light modern designs?

Thanks for your help FIOL

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