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paczka   
6 Jan 2008
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

I agree with vodka, in current situation it is much more important to keep good relation with eastern-european states rather than with northern american ones... Whether you like it or not, but thanks to its size and abilities etc, whatever happens in Russia affects Poland and both governments should build a strong realtionship based on trust. Two good examples would be Californian fires and ban on Polish food! :D
paczka   
6 Jan 2008
History / Poland: we have an interesting history. [72]

We have taken Moscov in XVII century, converted their Tshar into Catholic :P , and Russians till today celebrate the end of this war as it was yesterday (one of the most important days in their country)

As far as I know tsar, placed by Polish on Russian throne was shot with a cannon towards Poland at the end lol :) And that holiday is only celebrated since 2006, only to replace 1917 Revolution holiday. Though, I agree with you!
paczka   
6 Jan 2008
Language / "sorry" instead of "przepraszam" [76]

As I am a very strong national I like to keep stuff separate - when I speak english - I speak it properly. The same applies to my native language, though some "cool" people from my country use sorry and pliz; once I hear them saying that - I develop quite a bad feelings towards them... Though I am not polish, I wouldn't recommend you to use it as IMHO it may affend those who refer to themselves as a patriots.
paczka   
6 Jan 2008
Language / Common mistakes made by foreigners in Polish [90]

As my first language is slavic, there are no problems for me to read Polish, however it is tricky to repeat something when someone says it to me. When it is on paper it makes much more sence rather then spoken Polish - because most slavic languages are very similar on paper but may differ in pronouncuation. So I suppose, if I would read it I would have a slight accent.

As a slavic person, I find it confusing when it comes to Ą ą Ć ć Ę ę £ ł Ń ń Ó ó Ś ś - ź as I often mistake them for one another hehe. As for a westerner, I think it is difficult to use all cases for nouns (7 cases, arent they?) and the verbs endings. "W" may be tricky for English people as they tend to pronounce it more like "U"

(and no i can't spell for dirt in this language)

+1
paczka   
6 Jan 2008
Language / "sorry" instead of "przepraszam" [76]

this to be to happen not too often, yes? :D

yeah, I do suffer from that problem... Although it gets even worse, when I try to spell something in Polish...
paczka   
6 Jan 2008
Language / "sorry" instead of "przepraszam" [76]

I agree with Michal, from my point of view every country should use its own language and do not adopt new words from other coutries, unless they have to (the word doesnt exist in their language). As English becomes more and more international language, I think it is appropriate to use it when speaking to someone else from a different country, but if you know another language I think you can stick to it. What kind of coutry are you, if you dont respect your culture?
paczka   
6 Jan 2008
Language / "sorry" instead of "przepraszam" [76]

English people dont say at all 'hasta manana' , 'adios' borrowed from spanish, dont make me laugh mate

never heard of neither of them ;)
paczka   
7 Jan 2008
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

I for one wait for the day when Russia's President stands up and can say, "We are sorry this happened to your family

He said last year, that the following statement was announced in 1989, when Gorbachyov and others said they are sorry for occupying others bla-bla-bla. Putin has also noted, that he is not going to say sorry to every country who wants it every year, and once is enough. I Dont know why some people still complain... Germany doesnt say sorry, neither does Poland who has occupied Russia couple of times during last 500 years.

And in fact, Stalin was a great leader, wasnt he??? Keeping 15 states together without any racial arguement amongst them, conquering half the Europe, improving the industrial and agricultural sector and defeating Nazis. In fact, Putin does whatever people of Russia want to see, some researches have shown that 48% of people want another Stalin as the head of state and 70% think that Stalin's role in history was positive.
paczka   
7 Jan 2008
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

Stalin was a sick puppy that didn't even care about his own family as they also where killed on his orders.

Dont believe everything mr Radzinski writes about :) It is proves, that Stalin's son died in battle, daughter immigrated to the West (eer i think) and his mom died of natural causes.

Also this survey among Russians change nothing, those people are politically and historically illiterate

Thats exactly kind of ignorance from the Polish side that turns Russians against you... Who knows, maybe some Polish guy back in 1920-ies told the same to Stalin?

Stalin proofed his military incompetence before, because of his stupidity Soviets lost Polish-Soviet war

I dont know, who lost the war, but it is you who complain that Poland was occupied for 50 years. Even though it won.

As i know, Russians connects Putin with their powerful days from time of Russian Empire, not with Stalin. With persons such was Peter The Great (referring on rebuilding of Russia and reforms).

and as i know, Russians want progressive and democratic (not democratic by false standards of so called west but truly democratic!) Russia. Only that kind of Russia can help to Serbs.

As Russia seems to me as a country divided into two parts - a White monarchists and a Red communists one (look at Russia's flag, there is even a joke about it, that there are Reds and Whites in Russia and there is Volga between them ) so i suppose some people connect Putin with Peter he great while other associate him with Stalin. And knowing it, Putin tryes to satisfy both parties without going into communism/monarchism extremes. I know what you mean by the real democracy, but I think 90-ies have shown former USSR states what it is about and they just can not accept it in any way. That is just the way it is now sadly, because if you choose from three main political systems Russia had lately, communism was most profitable for people. (Oh, and if someone wants to remind me about Stalin again, please bear in mind that there were 40 years under the red flag after Stalin's death.)

we were defender but If you think about our offensive on Kiev that it was against Russians you are wrong because we wanted independent Ukraina. What is more after we beaten Russians is battle of Warszawa and in battle of Niemen we could march on Moscov (and take it again) there was big French pressure to do so but Pilsudski said that there is Russia and Russia in for Russians.

Well, I dont quite get the logic in being defenders by trying to make a part of another country independent. Its like if Canada would invade Alaska to defend it!

However todays Russia stands by the similar point of view and I think Putin made it clear - he is not going to attack or invade anyone whatever they do, but he will be ready to do so if any other country will become a threat to it. It is up to that country to decide what they want. In fact, all major countries share the same point of view, so I dont see anything strange here.
paczka   
7 Jan 2008
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

They were Russian until 1922, when the agreement was made and Ukrainian and Russia SSRs were formed. It is like people in Scotland are British.
paczka   
7 Jan 2008
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

false ! BTW it is our point of view, you can accept it or not.

I think I was wrong here, but still wasnt Ukraine divided into two states (pro-Russian and pro-Polish) up to 1939 anyway?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_SSR

[qoute]I have noticed that Russians like to tell Poles Ukrainians and other nations thet they are Russians ...[/quote]
Wiki on Russian Empire gives you pretty rather large map of the state which includes hell of a part of Europe. So, yes... Speaking generally even Finns can be considered as Russians, i guess.
paczka   
7 Jan 2008
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

and Iraq people Americans

Stop being childing, they have never been a US state! While countries I named were part of RI not long ago. In fact, many people from Ukraine often say that they are Russian because Russia started off from Kiev. Also because of some language cases and life experience when people say Russians they mean Slavic people or even just white race.
paczka   
7 Jan 2008
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

Norwegians are Russians too, because they are white ?

You may be surprised, but in general speech - yes, it is quite common to hear in the UK from russian-speakers
- Have you seen your new neighbourgh?
- Yes, I did.
- Is he Russian?
- No, he is from Pakistan, I think.
Thats just figures of speech, but when it is applied to eastern-european states it also can mean that they are slavic nations who once were in RI. This doesnt necessary mean that you have to speak Russian and have Russian roots and stuff, thats just the way it is. Like any other slavic language it really depends on the context when you say it.

Anyway, it seems we will never get on agreement, so let me just ask you 3 qs-
- Do you think that american anti-missile system in Poland doesnt benefit Poles?
- Do you believe that relationship between RU and PL should be build on trust and respect and be mutually benefitical?
- Do you think that any historical issues must not affect real-time situation?

Please answer just yes or no, I just want to get it straight...
paczka   
7 Jan 2008
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

Well, its good we agree on at least 2 points, and I think this is brilliant :) great minds think alike, eh? hehe

I can argue about the first one, but it is not us who decide what to do anywhay :-/

Im off, going beddy-byes...
paczka   
8 Jan 2008
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

He was never a great leader.

He may not be very kind to his enemies, but he certainly was a good leader. ~80 000 000 people cant be wrong :-/

Why dont you remember the invasion of America when all local people were executed just for fun? Why dont you remember Hitler who was going to kill any person East from Germany up to Urals? Why do you tend to forget the first world war, where millions were killed? I just dont see how killing enemies can be a sign of bad leadership.
paczka   
9 Jan 2008
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

Well, Yeltsin was an enemy civilian, that wasnt killed, but it doesnt meant he was less dangerous than Trotsky.

paczka I think that you should know that we joke :))))))) dont worry we are friends now :))) we respect you and we have forgoten about the past :)

We are talking here about whether Stalin was a great leader of Russia, not a great leader of Poland, do we? If thats the case it doesnt matter how many people he killed outside USSR. If we we talking about him as a great communist leader than it would be a different talk.

T-34 was far superior than any british tank of the same period,superior than american Sherman tanks and better than german Panzers 3 and 4.

Yeah, I was in the tank museum in Weymouth once and T-34 really has some good specs - even better that many later projects.

Russians were "Polish" citizens as welll :P so we can call them Poles but I will never do it. :P

You can call them whatever you want mate, as long as it makes any sence to you fellow citizens. You know, it is really not Russian/German/British business how you call other nations in Poland.

where is paczka ? why he is so quiet. They know we can do it again :)

Sleeping, I was.

:P
Dont go into discussing the film please.
paczka   
9 Jan 2008
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

Lets see Pres. Putin did not break down his hero, maybe his history books will tell he killed his own and Russian also slaved and died for his Utopia. Time Magazine reports that "New state textbooks (in Russia) hail Stalin as 'the most successful Russian leader ever'." Soviet atrocities against the Polish nation, only admitted by the Soviets in
the Gorbachev era, are once again at risk of being denied, minimized or stricken from the record.

Still, it is not related to Stalin as a "great leader of Russia discussion" above :-\
paczka   
15 Jan 2008
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

What were then Baltics,Moldova,Kazakstan,Uzbekistan,Turkmenistan,Georgia,Azerbaitzan, Mongolia?The Russians not only had colonies but they sent there settlers to live and mix with the natives in order to create permanent presence.

They werent colonies, they were just suburbs of the empire... Pretty much like Wales and Ireland in the UK... Except for there were lots of small rulers there, and some of them were for and some were against joining Russia so on big picture those who were against made it look as if they were enslaved, when in fact local tsars who were loyal to Russia continued to rule. Pretty much like Kadyron in todays Chechnya.
paczka   
19 Jan 2008
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

Southern please explain why Russia closes such institutions.

May I do it? When those institutions were opened in mid 90-ies nooce gave a heck about the law. And for 10 happy years noone have. Suddenly, when the tensions between UK and RF have grown, Putin though it would be good just to remind them about the fact that the existence of such not council-related institutions is simply illegal. They are not feing closed; they are advised to re-register and only if they fail to do so they will be closed.

They DO close restaurants opened illegally here in UK so wahy should it be different in RF?

I thought they wanted into the EU?

Hehe, if Russia joins EU we can expect India and China to be next :) Thats a European union for gods sake! Russia is happy enough be a leader of CIS, UORFB and few asian unions.

a time when "we" may have been "enemies" but at least there was a level of respect.

I am missing those 50-ies too... BTW cars looked much nicer back then though they weren't so fast. And most important... Elvis rocks ;)

I know what your saying. I know a couple cool Russians. But I learned not to discuss those issues. One thing you must admit they are patriotic(not always a good thing I hope you understand what I mean)

It depends on how many Russian and Polish people are in the group ;) When the number is even you can get some peaceful arguements.
paczka   
19 Jan 2008
Language / The sound of the Polish 'R' [33]

Well if you are really struggling, you can say L instead. If won't sound quite as good, but at least people will understand you. You will sound a bit like if you are burring, or whatever the correct term is...

How do you say Romania??? Cant you just pull he R out and use it?
paczka   
20 Jan 2008
Language / The sound of the Polish 'R' [33]

Can it be difficult for some people everywhere?

As far as I know it depends on one's medical condition, so that some people physycally can't pronounce a certain letter of their native language.
paczka   
20 Jan 2008
Language / Common mistakes made by foreigners in Polish [90]

Differences between ś and sz, or ć and cz

THERE ARE SOME???? OMG I am so dumb...

Is Ć a "soft" letter while CZ is a "hard" one e.g. like N is softened here Dzień and hardened like in Pan???

I never new that ;)
paczka   
21 Jan 2008
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

Poland's foreign minister said on Monday that negotiations on a new partnership deal between Russia and the European Union are likely to start during the first half of this year.

I hope he won't mention Stalin ;)