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From: USA, Connecticut
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Interests: family history

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celinski   
20 Dec 2007
USA, Canada / Health care, USA is messed up what about your country? [33]

Your employer provides some crappy insurance...sorry :/

LOL We also have United, we have dental also and that amount is for a family policy.

People die while waiting for operations here ,because the goverment wont spend the money needed.

Now that is sad.

I have some friends from Barbatos and they wait to go there because medical is free and they say if you know the area, you know the best doctors.

Carol
celinski   
20 Dec 2007
USA, Canada / Health care, USA is messed up what about your country? [33]

Unfortunately, there are many people who don't have jobs that pay for healthcare.

How?

I know elderly that cut pills in half to save money. That to me is sick, why should a person that worked their whole lives have to put their health on the line by not taking proper dosage? Carol
celinski   
20 Dec 2007
USA, Canada / Health care, USA is messed up what about your country? [33]

What does your country do for you for health care? I know in the USA with insurance health care is still costly. With all our money paying for wars, it seems USA people are last on the list.
celinski   
19 Dec 2007
Life / What is the attitude of Poles in Poland to émigré Poles? [15]

some people have noticed that Poles are everywhere ....

You can thank Stalin for that. I don't think he ever thought of the tower of babble falling with the use of computers. Just so you know, my grandfather loved his homeland, Poland with all his heart and soul. Although staying would have been his death sentance, Poland never left his heart.

It's funny when I was growing up my girlfriends would not be able to understand my father, to me it was clear as day. I guess, I never thought about why I was called Polock in a negitive way. Being between two country's was so confusing for me as a child. Now for me, I get very hurt when I am told I am not Polish due to being born here. Or wait shouldn't I be part Ukrainian since this is now Ukraine where my father was born? Carol
celinski   
19 Dec 2007
USA, Canada / Americans who call themselves Polish - how do you feel about that? [112]

It seems as if Poland could care less what happened to the ones that had to leave. Thank God my grandfather did not see this site as I know it would have broke his heart. Look at one of my first questions when I came here. It's asking if the Polish families search for us like we search for them? This may take your confusion away. When I did have a phone # to call I was warned about being taken for a ride by Polish just wanting money. This came from people that had been here, done that. I know that my grandfather lived for his family and I always felt this was a trait passed down from Poland. I came to this site hoping to find my Polish family looking for us and yet so far I don't see the Polish looking.

I may be wrong and if I am wrong that would be fantastic. If I am, than Poland please step forward and tell me I am. I grew up never knowing my grandmother, I always looked for her family and this is where I am coming from. Does anyone else here feel this way or am I alone? Carol, USA
celinski   
18 Dec 2007
USA, Canada / Americans who call themselves Polish - how do you feel about that? [112]

just acting like you're all Polish but not Polish-Americans??

I am Polish-American.

Were your parents communist collaborators

No in fact they fought and won your freedom in WW1 and WW2 when Polish army were betrayed, they were exiled to USA . Maybe some remember the Polish hero's that fought "Miracle at Wisla".

Why not respect the place of your birth???

Yes, I do respect USA.

is that why they moved

Moved or were exiled?

If you were in the service and returned to communist after 1947 chances are you were considered, "'enemies of the state", this was known. This was not a choice issue for top brass, they were marked men.

After German Instrument of Surrender, 1945, Polish troops took part in occupation duties in the Wester Allied Occupation Zones in Germany. They were however not invited to the London Victory Parade of 1946.[6][7][1] The formation was finally disbanded in 1947, with many of its soldiers chosing to remain in exile rather than to return to communist-controlled Poland, were they were often seen by the Polish communists as 'enemies of the state', influenced by the Western ideas, loyal to the Polish government in exile, and met with persecution and imprisonment (and in extreme cases, death). Failure of allied Western governments to keep its promise to Poland, which now fell under the Soviet sphere of influence, became know as the 'Western betrayal.' [6][7] The number of Polish ex-soldiers unwilling to return to communist Poland was so high that a special organization was formed by the British government to assist them in settling in United Kingdom, the Polish Resettlement Corps (Polski Korpus Przysposobienia i Rozmieszczenia);[2][8] 114,000 Polish soldiers went through that organization. Since during the war many Poles were stationed in United Kingdom and served alongside British units, many Poles settled in United Kingdom after the war, becoming part of the Polish minority in United Kingdom.[5]

Carol, American/Polish
celinski   
17 Dec 2007
Life / What is the attitude of Poles in Poland to émigré Poles? [15]

if they speak Polish (at least a bit), etc...then i guess that they are just Poles from abroad... :P

It is sad that how we speak is how you judge our blood. LOL In America we were put down for the same thing. Guess I just felt our homeland would be understanding.

Looks like we were missed.
celinski   
17 Dec 2007
USA, Canada / Americans who call themselves Polish - how do you feel about that? [112]

To me, you're truly Polish if you're born in Poland, other wise you're just an American with a Polish background.

OK and the "ski" on my name must be American. In 1951 my family came to the USA. My father being born in Poland is still Polish and has dual citizenship. As his daughter I am also able to hold dual citizenship.

Travel YES but why immigrate?

After fighting WW1/WW2 being betrayed and communism taking over Poland, Poland was no longer. 1989 Poland is back. Look up exiled, this was not a choice for military.

in the u.s. i'm considerd too polish to really be an american and in poland i'm too americanized to really be polish. so where do i belong? it's easy to get down on yourself when both sides reject you.

I can relate to this 100%. If not for communist takeover my family would not be denied their Polish heritage. I always thought once I contacted Poland and let them know I am here and have missed them, they would feel the same. Silly me as it seems we are a threat to there property and never given a second thought. How many years did I defend my people to have them question me. My Grandfather was their "Hero" at, "Miracle at Wisla" front line. So much for Poland being there for her people.

I am truly shocked at how cold some can be. Maybe the ones deported that went to free country's are in fact more Polish than the ones that stayed under communist brainwashing?

Carol, "Ski" in USA
celinski   
17 Dec 2007
History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]

Maybe this has something to do with recent intrest.

Wroclaw: Pre-war road something to thank the Germans for
By Jan Cienski in Wroclaw

Published: December 12 2007 06:58 | Last updated: December 12 2007 06:58

Many of the farmers have become millionaires by selling off their valuable land, on which people are now building houses and apartments. Superstores line the motorway south of Wroclaw.

ft.com/cms/s/cadd5d16-a7c2-11dc-9485-0000779fd2ac,dwp_uuid=4a3811a4-a7c4-11dc-9485-0000779fd2ac.html
celinski   
15 Dec 2007
History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]

Germans apologized (did the Russians?),

You are very right, I am waiting for Russia and Ukraine to take responsability and seek resolve. Until this takes place healing cannot take place. How do you trust that change has taken place without this taking place. This is another topic and believe me I get enough backlash for bringing up the past in my other questions.

Back to this question, Is Poland represented and if it is, by whom. If we cannot stop this from happening then maybe we need a "great big" display on the Polish people, all Polish not just Jewish.

Carol
celinski   
15 Dec 2007
History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]

everybody had to research their ancestors and heritage

Yes, this is what we do. When you try to do this today if your family was in eastern Poland in 1940, good luck. Our heritage was destroyed. Churches burned, houses burned, family killed and then whats left exiled to another part of the world. Communism made us unable to search let alone seek our lost family.

Made our research a joke. Even today if you find the grave you lucked out, as most were not afforded so much as a box for the body. Our markers are non existant due to a pile of naked bodies being lit on fire didn't need one. I can tell you 100% Polish Eddie's 3 1/2 year old body was left in Siberia. My grandmother and two aunts made it to So. Africa. Is that how you look into your heritage? Do you understand where you ended up if you were 100% Polish?

And now Germany wants to be the victims, sorry if I seem insensitive. I wish all that happened to my family were they had to move over to a new boarder. No, we got to go to USA, start a new life from nothing, all this and learn to speak English. For our loved ones that got to stay in communism.....



celinski   
15 Dec 2007
History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]

Is there such a thing???

Very much so. I think Poland had to account for the ones that had their lives cut short and the ones scattered across the nation, and the ones raped. Guess the Xrays were not all that helpful.

Why do you come into PF and say the things you do, don't you have an display to run?

Carol
celinski   
15 Dec 2007
History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]

if they mixed with Poles, or Jews

We are talking people right... I am sorry but to one in the USA where all are equal, you sound as if you feel this makes you superior. Carol
celinski   
15 Dec 2007
History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]

Poles in the thirties were alot like the Poles today...aggravating and annoying and provoking their neighbours.

And I thought you were going to say dead.

Not to mention the display is "aggravating and annoying and provoking their neighbours"
celinski   
15 Dec 2007
History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]

Just as I thought it all comes down to the almighty buck, reguardless of the price.

Berlin exhibition angers Poland

Mr Kaczynski said the exhibition aimed to distort history
Polish PM Jaroslaw Kaczynski has condemned an exhibition documenting the stories of millions of Germans expelled from Eastern Europe after World War II.

Both parties say they will not support claims for compensation by former expellees or their relatives - which would only exacerbate Germany's relations with its eastern neighbours, especially Poland and the Czech Republic. "

Carol

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4781369.stm
celinski   
15 Dec 2007
History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]

Puts me in mind of the worst type of US jewish lobby groups who wanted a monopoly on suffering

This is so true and a big reason why the majority see the victims not as Polish, but Jewish.

What I wanted to ask, would something like this be an issue before 1989 or is this a new way of bringing up the past?

Carol
celinski   
14 Dec 2007
History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]

quote=shopgirl] Excuse me for asking, but doesn't this museum recognize displacement of other peoples in Europe as well, or is that just besides the point? [/quote]

Your quote is the headline I took from the artical. Below is the first three para.

The aim of the organisers of the exhibition at the Kronprinzenpalais on Berlin's Unter Den Linden Avenue is ambitious - to explore the plight of millions of people who were forced to flee their homes in Europe during the 20th Century.

There are dozens of examples of civilians who were expelled in Europe, ranging from the mass killing of Armenians from 1915-16, the Holocaust, to refugees in Cyprus and the former Yugoslavia.

There are many objects on display, including suitcases, photo albums and other personal belongings which the refugees took with them into exile.

But, controversially, the exhibition also focuses on the suffering of Germans who were expelled from Poland and Eastern Europe after World War ll.

Carol
celinski   
14 Dec 2007
News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

but i doubt it will be of any benefit to poland

Honey, this is yet to be seen. Being born in the USA by Polish parents I guess I learned to speak up. They never wanted me to be a pawn, slave or dead due to corruption of power. While the ones under communism could not speak, the ones spead across this nation had a voice. God Bless Poland

that the younger generations are trying
to move on and forward into a new poland , its hard,, its hard to not look at the past
and not feel the feelings of anger ..

Poland has been silenced and unable to speak of what really took place. My prayer for Poland is they do not just to forget the past.

We lost our country and family members. Poland's hero's from WW1 that fought to give Poland their freedom, fought again in WW2 to get it back, ended up being betrayed and in the end lost the very thing they were fighting for. My family's blood was spilled along with all the other Polish, plus they lost their country.

I am far from "old" and "bidder" is not the word I would use. I am "saddened" to see Poland pushed around. After what we went through and the cost to all of Poland how dare countries involved act so brazen. Poland proved how strong they are.

Germany setting up a display of how victimized they were.... Please, think of the cost Poland paid in lives.

It's not just Germany, lets look at Ukraine, 1932-33 lives all of a sudden means something, yet what about accountablity for the ones they took.

Shall I go to Russia, Pres. Putin could have done some damage control and showed the world he has a human heart by showing up at "Katyn" ceremony. Pres. Putin never did come and show respect for our dead men. Instead we read about Polish Pres. may have been drunk. Well you know what, I may have had a shot myself having the memories he has, wow he must have cared.

Carol, USA
celinski   
14 Dec 2007
History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]

We are still there...alive and kicking! :)

I wish more Poles could say that. But sadly they had to have their lives taken. We were not all given the choice to move. If the Germans didn't get you, chances are the Soviets would.

If I didn't know better it seems as if Germany is adding salt in a wound just to get attention.

Carol, Still in USA
celinski   
14 Dec 2007
News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

I am sure this will help? Poor Germans having to leave a country they thought they could take. Carol

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4788167.stm

Carol I think you are disrespectful

Calm down. It's not like I called them potatoes. Carol

dwell in the past rather than work for the future

Someone has to so we can have a brighter future. Bummer for you Bubba opps I mean BubbaWoo. I don't think you really want me to give the low down on you.

Carol
celinski   
14 Dec 2007
History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]

Will wonders ever cease? Carol

Relations between Berlin and Warsaw are strained, and given the reaction to this exhibition from the Polish government, it is likely to deepen the mistrust between the neighbouring countries.

Even before it opened its doors, the exhibition "Forced Paths" attracted a lot of controversy in the German and Polish media.

Even before it opened its doors, the exhibition "Forced Paths" attracted a lot of controversy in the German and Polish media.

People look at part of the exhibition which covers the expulsion of Poles from territory annexed by Germany
Expulsion has been a tool of many politicians, exhibition organisers say

The aim of the organisers of the exhibition at the Kronprinzenpalais on Berlin's Unter Den Linden Avenue is ambitious - to explore the plight of millions of people who were forced to flee their homes in Europe during the 20th Century.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4788167.stm
celinski   
14 Dec 2007
News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

just because some idiot wants to "stand up" and get us in trouble again.

Name calling , you are how old? So nice to be in an adult world. Seems to me you don't understand the word freedom. Do you see the claims coming into Poland? I guess you think Poland paying them off non stop is ok? Carol