History / Professor Thomas Gross Threatens His 'Neighbors' - Poland atrocities [18]


By posting this thread you only advert this book. Like Polish media which completely ignore almost all valuable titles published in this country but when anti-Polish slander appears turn all attention on it. In this case even media criticize Gross but in fact made a great promotion campaign for him. I just watched Gross in Olejnik "show", my God she looks almost like a patriot in comparison with this bigot. :)

Gross was not sure which nation was more anti-Semitic, Poles or Germans :)
Basically mocked all Eastern Europe and making excuses for Jewish guards in ghetto. What is interesting Polish and English version are not the same... One can imagine that English version is even more anti-Polish. Gross himself is not a professional historian, he is a sociologist. Majority of Polish historians claims that this book is not well documented and cannot be considered as serious historical publication. His previous book was heavily criticized by Jewish professor Norman Finkelstein.


This is pathetic law but it cannot be compared with western invented anti-discrimination stupidity. One can be punished because of racism, xenophobia, "homophobia", "Islamo-phobia" (of course all about verbal comments only) or Holocaust denial. So free speech denial is wider.

History / Jews...and their Polish experience [520]


Mistake or not, this is not our problem. What we should do is stay out from some local conflicts which have no impact on our national interests.

History / Jews...and their Polish experience [520]


So you should not run Polish diplomacy, because politicians from other countries (serious countries) are and always were selfish. This is not the place where money from our taxes should flow.

Beside of that, think a bit about the outcome. No matter what we would do, the Jews and the Arabs wont like it. You want "help", waste our cash and get hate in revenge, plus no peace anyway.

History / Professor Thomas Gross Threatens His 'Neighbors' - Poland atrocities [18]


Gross wont be punished anyway, this is just circus of our politicians.

History / Jews...and their Polish experience [520]


Do you have something to say beside this babbling above?

History / Jews...and their Polish experience [520]

Enemies? Name those enemies.

I'm not isolationist, I do analyze all possible cases separately. I don't exclude even military intervention if this would be necessary from Polish point of view.

I also hate how goverment rob taxpayers and oppose all unnecessary spendings.

You better explain how this is in Polish interest to meddle in Middle East politics??

History / Jews...and their Polish experience [520]


Poland should trade with everybody and have good relation with as much countries as possible. However Poland should not build huge Brussels bureaucracy or send troops all over the world. First action is clearly anti-personal freedom and second simply nonessential. Both target taxpayers.

NATO should not take part in military action in Asia or Africa. This is in their status.

History / Jews...and their Polish experience [520]


"Freedom" is a relative term raped by all kind of governments regularly. Communism collapsed because bankrupted, nothing to do with Europe. Read books of Vladimir Bukovsky then you will learn about real positions of western European leaders on Eastern Europe. Your idealized world would crumble. I don't blame them but I draw conclusions.

Somehow you have no desire to discuss the EU issues in this forum. Defend them or criticize, both attitudes must be backed by some knowledge... The EU doesn't need to be based on bureaucracy and socialism and those who claim so are either blind or liars.


NATO wont be at war with Russia, this is a reality that some need to swallow. Theoretically if Russia would attack NATO member then the latter could invade them. This situation have nothing to do with so called WOT swindle.

History / Jews...and their Polish experience [520]


You are wrong. NATO is firsts and foremost the US, by military potential and financial input. Anyway high Soviet military spendings were not crucial. How many years the US waste a lot of cash on military spendings and somehow they didn't bankrupt.

The problem with Soviet system was that they wanted by force push their ideology completely ignoring the realities. Reality was not important, they tried to establish communist kind of economy by all means. They had such incredible unwillingness to admit to their own mistakes and were stuck with completely insufficient solutions. The Soviet Union lasted so long only because citizens as much as possible tried to avoid law order, all these silly bureaucratic regulations. If they would stick strictly to these regulations then Soviet Union would collapse earlier. They would probably die from hunger themselves. Collectivization, lack of private business, overwhelming bureaucracy caused economic crash.

History / Jews...and their Polish experience [520]


Soviet system was self-destructing, could not handle anything. It would collapse even without military spendings. This is why I cannot agree that military spendings caused its collapse. You could say that military spendings increased a bit speed of this process. However the reason was this economic system itself.


And corruption in the SU helped this country to survive longer. Looks like absurd but this is true.

History / Jews...and their Polish experience [520]


When laws are completely out of touch from reality, this is better or even necessary to broke these laws. For example if chief of the gulag has instruction from the party to produce some certain amount of goods. He is aware that if he would try to do it legally then this would be impossible. If he fails he would be fired from this job. So he do this illegally (buy necessary materials, transport etc). The outcome is that he managed and everybody are happy.

Ordinary workers to feed their families needed to steal from their factories what only possible. Otherwise they would die from hunger. Of course guards wanted bribes from the same reason. Bosses produced illegally additional goods for profit and consumers were happy that these goods are available on the black market.


Every communist system is a bit different. I cannot judge Cuban, I'm not familiar with details. I doubt that they have as much bad system like Soviets. Cuban economy is not strong for sure.


Soviets could continue this as well. They simply decided to stop because it went in wrong direction. The Cubans otherwise. What particular moment do you expect to announce collapse of the economic system?

As far as county is concentrated, Cuba wont be territorially divided, because if I'm not wrong, people over there consider themselves to be Cubans. Soviet Union was federalist and ethnically divided.

History / Jews...and their Polish experience [520]


Sure but this example does not fit to Soviet realities. Central planning in the Soviet Union and the fact that everything is state owned caused lack of competition on the market. Director of the Soviet factory is not interested give anybody such a bribe. He knows that there is no similar product on the market. Soviet state owned markets were supplied with the same products. Director of this factory was interested to accomplish some centrally planned task. Profit was not so important for him because he is not a owner.

History / Jews...and their Polish experience [520]


Basically it means lack of competition. Central planing cause that goods from one factory are destined to some area and goods from other company to other area. Owner is the same (the state), so no reason to compete.

The only reason I see for Kremlin to favor one company is propaganda. Later they could invite western journalists and show them how great Soviet industry really is. But this is "very special" exception.

Automobile industry is a specific business. Communist countries were not leading in this industry. In Poland you had almost only Fiats and Polonezs, in Czecholslovakia Skodas and in Soviet Union probably Ladas. Polish state for example gave a license to Italian owners of Fiat to sell their inferior cars over here. Others were not allowed to the market.

About energy companies, just recently in Poland they try to liberalize a bit this market. Before you have no choice at all, paid your bills to one supplier.

Soviets shipyards worked practically only for a goverment. No market here at all.

Communists sucks, checked many times...

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


France should get minus points because of Vichy! :)

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


Obviously I respect victims of the free France but Vichy was a fact and I don't see a reason to not mention it. I hate PC, true must be said.

History / Jews...and their Polish experience [520]

Here is good example of competition in communist era shops.

News / Andrzej Lepper - is he a typical Polish politician? [8]


Replace word "Polish" by any other nation and word "Lepper" by similar kook and you would be still correct. Lack of Lepper's means that election ordination simply "protect" such society from smaller parties.

News / Has global warming affected Poland? And in what ways? [73]

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History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]


Your anti-Catholic bias is pathetic. You blindly repeat communist propaganda and never tried to investigate these allegations yourself. If you are Orthodox Christian then this is huge mistake from your side. If more such uninformed Christians would side with "fighting atheists" against the Catholic Church this would cost a lot all of us. Don't be "useful idiot" of the left. Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants have much in common with each other and nothing in common with radical left.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]


I think that you have not proper knowledge to judge anybody.


For all kind of social revolutionaries it was always very easy to announce the end of Christianity. What they always failed is to propose realistic alternative. I have no intention to play the role of laboratory rat in their new social experiments. Their utopias already caused death of too many people.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]


Your alternative vision somehow depends from my answer to this question?

News / Have the European media lost interest in Poland? [17]


What those stupid people would do if not objective media telling them what they need to do. How great that we have media that we can trust!

News / Have the European media lost interest in Poland? [17]



Many PO supporters accused PiS supporters that they vote like Radio Maryja tells them. You actually question intellectual superiority that they think that they have over PiS voters.

Looks like "The Pot Calling The Kettle Black"

News / Is the E.U. good for Poland?? [180]


You confuse terms, what you describe is called "anarcho-capitalism" and have very few supporters in opposition to socialism.

News / Is the E.U. good for Poland?? [180]


Yes but this is not caused by capitalists but by socialists.


The EU is generally socialist, over-taxed. Free market doesn't even exist within of the EU, millions of regulations, tariffs, limits, quotas hurt our economy. Private business woks always better than state owned. I would agree that taxes should be reduced for average citizens as well. They reduce taxes to corporations only because they are corrupt.

Four ways to spend money:

1. You spend your money on yourself. You're motivated to get the thing you want most at the best price. This is the way middle-aged men haggle with Porsche dealers.

2. You spend your money on other people. You still want a bargain, but you're less interested in pleasing the recipient of your largesse. This is why children get underwear at Christmas.

3. You spend other people's money on yourself. You get what you want but price no longer matters. The second wives who ride around with the middle-aged men in the Porsches do this kind of spending at Neiman Marcus. (corruption among bureaucrats)

4. You spend other people's money on other people. And in this case, who cares? (This is goverment!)


You are wrong, better look at the EU parliament squad. This is good outlook for all Europe, majority of MEPs are socialists, greens and communists while their theoretical opponents are not such great capitalist warriors at all.


I completely disagree. This is other way around, Americans became more socialistic and pay the price. They increasing spendings on education, health care, military and different kind of unnecessary destinations. Finally goverment is out of cash, so the print money and cause inflation. Depression is natural thing and should be awaited, what they are doing now only make this crises to last longer.


These days everybody in Europe chose one way and this is euro-socialism... I would certainly try to avoid western mistakes. Especially Europe looks poor, while Americans lost their way after Reagan.


What a empty statement without argumentation. Read the whole thread and start polemics if you have arguments to back this position. I seriously suspect that most of EU supporters have no clue about how this organization works...

News / Is the E.U. good for Poland?? [180]


I'm not talking about private businesses but government's spendings.

Americans spend a lot for their interventionist policy, wars, military bases all over the world. These are unnecessary spendings.

Spendings on education, Bush's No Child Left Behind Act

Health care, increasing spendings on Medicare program.


Plenty of them cheered for commies when young, old habits die hard.

News / Is the E.U. good for Poland?? [180]


Nope, Bush started this (2002). Republican Party lost its way in the sea of populism. I have watched Republican debate in SC and remember Ron Paul stating that Republicans doubled the size of Department of Education. In the past they were against such department at all.




Better they would left the money in people pockets, they know better how to spend it than any government.

I agree with you about Europe. Unfortunately Americans seems to tend to follow Europe, especially Democrats.


I agree but the point is that global capitalism (anti-state concept) have little support among masses in opposition to socialism. Thus socialism is far more dangerous.


I don't know much about Ireland. It also depends from competition, whether politicians blocking concessions for such activity. In Poland we had the highest price in Europe of telephone calls. Their internet provider offer is poor as well. Company was "privatized"

by French state owned company.

Railways are state owned and in pathetic shape. They just would like to be subsidized by government over and over.


Even inside of the EU you have export limits, production quotas and millions of "quality improving" regulations. We could export cheap food let say from Africa but bureaucracy bribed farmers and imposed high import tariffs. They spend about half of the EU budget to subside agriculture, completely insane idea.

History / Polish Volunteers in the Spanish Civil War [140]


This is very dishonest to name those people in this way. Spanish fascists were just part of wider coalition which consisted from liberal monarchists, Carlists, authoritarians and parliamentary center-right. Franco himself was not a fascist. They have common goal to end lawless bloody Republican rule and stop spread of communism.


Some Poles fought also on Franco side. I also would not call communist Poles to be on the right side. Recently published book "Hiszpania Franco" describe well the nature of political doctrine of Francism.


What it has to do with Poland?


Pilsudski was not democratically elected, National Democrats were.


This is the first step to hell.

News / Do Polish people feel there is a danger of communism growing stong again? [69]


Actually they are more communist than Putin who is rather a nationalist.

History / Polish Volunteers in the Spanish Civil War [140]


So was NSDAP but there was no such Franco among German generals to stop them. Same fact of winning democratic election don't justify crimes that Republicans committed against political opponents and Catholic clergy. About 300 political murders, including leader of right-wing parliamentary opposition Jose Calvo Sotelo. Add 146 bomb attacks, countless beatings, profanation of about 400 churches. Franco and his partners could not tolerate this s*it anymore. Government is supposed to provide order of law and not bloody anarchy.


Author of this book that I recommended claims that some Poles fought for Franco but their history was never investigated. You could find similar short statements in Polish internet from other people.

According to Polish wiki those Poles whom fought on Republican side slaughtered civilians and priests. However they considered themselves to be rather communists than Poles.


Hitler saw attitudes of France and the UK when they sold out Czechoslovakia in Munich.


I would say lack of awareness how these social problems could be resolved. Good intentions are not enough.


Actually when Franco realized that socialism don't work he allowed people from Opus Dei to liberalize economy. Thus Spain became one of the richest countries in Europe with the highest economic grow. So Catholics did save this country from communist terror and made successful reforms.