Life / Poland: The Things That Make Foreigners Lift a Brow [123]

Zgubiony babbles: 'wow...you love a good rant huh? mhm lol LOL did you say Steve enough puzz :)'

- What do you mean? Explain clearly.

Life / Poland: The Things That Make Foreigners Lift a Brow [123]

Szarlotka writes: 'We smile to be polite, Poles seem to smile when they are amused.'

- Actually, I think that many English people (still) smile to feel better and make others feel better. One of the great and most beautiful secrets of the English psyche.

Szarlotka: 'Finding people’s apartments was sometimes a challenge as the numbering was a little strange in parts of Warsaw.'

- Hm, would you admit, Szarlotka, that numbering in England is often very strange? - Many houses don't have numbers at all, or have them either very small or very decrepit. And street names are extremely badly marked. When I made a Thomas Hardy pilgrimage to Dorchester, I found that streets there weren't marked at all, or I could not see the names? But even if I could not see them, doesn't it say something about the marking?

Imagine a city where streets have no names.

Did Bono visit Dorchester too?
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Life / Poland: The Things That Make Foreigners Lift a Brow [123]

Thanks, Daffy. I have been very busy - too busy to write, but I've kept on dropping in and reading what you folks scribble.

By the way, I'm soon to visit Ireland (last time I visited in the 90s). You Irish guys in this forum have inspired me to do that. Will leave lots of bucks there, and maybe even look for a property to purchase... Who knows?

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Life / Poland: The Things That Make Foreigners Lift a Brow [123]

Daffy, exactly - Cork is the name! I'd be happy to have you as a neighbour too.

Yes, the article is at least one year old. I think that since then many folks visiting Poland have started liking the country and people.

And when Europe is as one, there'll be no mutual hostility at all.

A purpose worthy of sacrificing one's life for.
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Life / Poland: The Things That Make Foreigners Lift a Brow [123]

Patrycja19 inquires:'Things are done differently then in the west. what /why does that make his statement prejudiced?'

Do you mean that in Poland things are done differently than in 'the West'? If so, what things are done so differently and what do you mean by 'the West'?

Have you read my reply to Steve's rant? If so, do you think I've pointed out his strong Polonophobic bias?

And why do you Polish Americans and Canadians have to endure 'Polish jokes'? Why don't you do anything about it at last? Why don't you catch the rat deal with him properly?

Where's your honour, where're your guts?

By the way, hm, yes, I might call you a Polish Sister, but as to folks such as miranda, I'd hesitate to acknowledge any family ties with them, due to their obvious Polonophobia.

By the way, Patrycja, you seem to be biased at times too, which bias, I suppose, you have acquired automatically and unconsciously from living in a Polonophobic milieu and being exposed to the hate propaganda carried out by newsmedia psychopaths.

PS. So you, Patrycja, agree with Steve's main message that Poland is different from 'the West' and is not part of 'the West'?
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Szarlotka, what the house numbering in Poland and England is 'different' from?
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History / Jews...and their Polish experience [520]

Frank, how about if you were interested in the Jews' attitudes towards the Polish people, their, Jews' horrific Polonophobia and terrible things the Jews have done to the Poles for the last hundred years, e.g. just after WWI, during WWII, during the Stalinist era, and through the spread of hate propaganda by the means of the mass media, including film? Would you be interested in these subjects, Frank? After all, it's a Polish, not Jewish forum, at least by name, isn't it?

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History / Jews...and their Polish experience [520]

Frank asks me: 'So.....its all there own fault that they have been the victim of genocide....mass extermination..........?'

- Who do you mean by 'they'? And why are you asking whether it is all 'their own fasult,' etc.? Did I give reason for asking this question? What reason?

Re: 'so you are excusing Hitlers hatred of Polish people due to his Polonophobia/Slavicphobia...'

- Where would I 'excuse' Hitler? Please give the pertinent quote.

Re: 'ergo....this was enough for him to murder endless numbers of Poles............?'

- Do you mean that Hitler's 'Polonophobia/Slavicphobia' was the motive for his invading Poland and the harsh German occupation of the country?

re: 'me thinks you shot yourself...in both feet.'

-And based on what facts would you think so?

Well, Frank, but regarding my questions from my previous posting. You haven't answered them. Would you be interested in the Jewish Polonophobia and anti-Polonism at least as much as in the alleged Polish 'anti-semitism' (actually, many Poles seem not to have anything against the Arabs)? Would you go to a Jewish forum and inquire about it as directly as you do about 'anti-semitism' on this forum? If not, why not?

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UK, Ireland / English people attitude towards Poles? [761]

I've never heard of Poles being abused anywhere in Ireland apart from Northern Ireland.

Cheers, mainland Irish folks.

Some of my English friends think SOME folks in Northern Ireland are buttheads whose fierce British xenophobia is anachronistic and doesn't actually agree with the patriotic values of the majority of mainland Brits.

But the question remain: why is it the Poles who are perceived by some Brits negatively for the fact that they come to work in the UK?

After all, there are many other distinct groups who come to work in the UK in similar or greater numbers, e.g. the East Indians, Russians, Africans?

Why they're not perceived negatively for coming to and working in UK?

That's the question indeed.
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UK, Ireland / English people attitude towards Poles? [761]

Yes, espana, it seems to be the case of blaming somebody else for something they're should not to be blamed for.

But is it exactly a new fashion?

Where does it come from that some are blamed, but others who do exactly the same things as the blamed ones are looked upon favourably?

Should the EU do something in order to protect against the discrimination and dislike effectively?

If yes, what should those protective measures be?

UK, Ireland / English people attitude towards Poles? [761]

Frank writes: 'Poles are Catholic....make the mistake of moving into Protestant areas...taking Protestant jobs...........work it out.........'

- Well, so Poles are 'taking Protestant jobs'? I thought they're taking jobs that the Protestants or any other religious groups aren't keen to take. Do actually Poles take away Northern Irish jobs?

re: 'but our local police are plagued with calls to stop fights in over crowded houses of Poles.'

- Wow, so Poles are actually big troublemakers in Ireland? And I've heard from many Irish folks, including government and other experts, that Poles behave far better than any other guest worker group in Ireland.

Not true, says Frank?
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Frank writes:
'peoples views attitudes are much more deeply embedded, almost...genetically/socially programmed to protect their own needs, land, food, women........'

- Do you mean, Frank, that there's actually a reason for defending Irish needs, land, food, and women from the Poles?

UK, Ireland / English people attitude towards Poles? [761]

Frank, where do I 'put words' into your mouth? I'm just asking logical questions based on your statements, in order to understand clearly what you mean.

You say that 25 % of court cases in your town involve 'East Europeans'?

I don't care about 'East europeans,;' I care about the Poles.

What percentage of the court cases do they account for? How can I chceck it if your informants tell the truth?

Well, numerous foreign media hacks when reporting about negative things involving the Poles have the tendency to use the generic term 'East Europeans;' e.g. such and such number of 'Eastern Europeans' have moved to the UK, etc. The hacks thus create the conviction in the reader that the number of 'East Europeans' (whomever they are) is the number of Poles.

The term 'East Europeans' is used by the media hacks as the synonym of the term 'the Poles.'

Isn't it often highly misleading and discriminatory to use the term'East Europeans' instead of 'Poles,' or 'Slovaks,' or 'Estonians,' etc.?

How would it feel for an Irish person, if some fellows from, say, Scotland have done something wrong and somebody referred to the culprits by the generic term 'Gaelics'?

Frank writes:
'Are you sure....cos I can be just as tetchy, sensitive...over the top in my responses as PUzzler.......lol'

- Well, do you consider yourself superior to me, Frank? Do you think MY reactions to folks' postings, including yours, are somewhat silly?

When I react in a certain well it's ridiculous and absurd, but when you react in an identical way, it isn't, is that's what you mean, Frank?

Specifically why?
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Please provide samples of my alleged 'tetchy, sensitive...over the top' responses, Frank.
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Izanami, no Polish people I know perceive the English as all, or even mostly discriminatory towards us, Poles.

No, we don't have such a discriminatory view of the English.

I myself have never in my life encountered the slightest insult from an English person.

On the contrary, only kindness.

In fact, you, the English, are perhaps the best friends we have in Europe (and also the Irish and Scottish).

I have been and shall always be praising and admiring you, guys.

I sincerely hope that eventually I will be able to say the same thing about all the other European nations, so no offence for not mentioning some of them in this posting.

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Scarbyirp, thanks for your posting. Very informative indeed.

News / POLISH LITTLE GIRL SHOT DEAD BY AN ITALIAN [104]

Do you mean, Bubba, that the Polish folks involved in the case 'gave it large' to the Italian man and did not know their place, and that's why the Italian killed the little girl? So it's the Poles who are to blame for the murder, according to you? Are you somehow justifying the Italian guy's killing the Polish girl?

News / POLISH LITTLE GIRL SHOT DEAD BY AN ITALIAN [104]

Well, daffy, is your message: 'Get over the murder, Polish folks, and don't defend yourselves against abuses directed at you, turn the other cheek'?

Re:
'What the Italian did was inexcusable but he could have argued with another italian man and done the same.'

- It has happened, though, that in reality he shot dead a 5-year-old Polish girl, not another Italian.

I doubt if he would have dared to shoot down a fellow Italian.

Just as I doubt it if you appealed to your fellow Irish not to do anything if an Irish little girl were murdered by a foreigner (God forbid if he were Polish!).

Following your line of reasoning, Daffy, any murder should go unpunished, because the murderer could have killed anybody else, and punishing him could create hostility on the part of him and eg. his buddies.

So you say Daffy, that punishing a murderer is 'inciting to hatred'?

And if you bring in Catholicism, does the Catholic Church recommend lawlessness and getting away with murder?

And no, this killing of Poles by Italians has not been an 'isolated incident,' but another murder in a series.

By the way, Daffy, I wonder why have you removed my reply to patrycja's posting?

Some censorship after all?
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News / POLISH LITTLE GIRL SHOT DEAD BY AN ITALIAN [104]

Re:
'I don't understand why this discussion has to be about Polish or Italians at all.'

- Because the murdered girl was Polish, and her murderer was Italian. Hope this rings a bell?

So you suggest that the nationalities of the people involved in the case should not be mentioned, because it could have been any nationalities? Following your reasoning, should the word 'Polish' removed from the name of this forum, because it could be any forum at all?

Re:
'This could have happened in any country...'

- But this has actually happened in Italy, and not in another country. Does it make you wonder why?

Re:
'provided the men had excess [SIC - P.] to weapons, otherwise he would fetch his fellows and beat the father of the chilld in revange.'

- How do you know what would have happened? Are you some kind of psychic?

Re: 'As with other similar stories, the easy access to weapons was a deciding factor!!!!!!'

- Do you say that it was not a specific Italian creep by the name of 'Alessandro,' but 'a deciding factor' that killed the girl?

Fish, yes, it has happened numerous times in Italy. Yes, it seems to be a relatively new trend there. The reasons are simple: Polonophobic hate propaganda on the part of the leading Italian media hacks.

Hm, Daffy, reading your comments to my statements, I now seriously am starting to wonder if you're not justifying and defending the Italian murderer of the Polish girl.

Your statements seem to prove you are.

By the way, what 'vigilantism' do you ascribe to me, and why this alleged vigilantism should be, as you seem to suggest, so much worse than other kinds of vigilantism?

And yes, by removing my totally pertinent reply to patrycja's posting, you have performed an act of censoring.

News / POLISH LITTLE GIRL SHOT DEAD BY AN ITALIAN [104]

Miranda, give the url of the alleged 'polishnews' articles.

Hm, I wonder if the UPA beasts would appreciate miranda's assertion that it's not specific people, but 'deciding factors' that murder others?
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News / POLISH LITTLE GIRL SHOT DEAD BY AN ITALIAN [104]

Patrycja, you seem to have repeated numerous times that I've been twisting somebody's words. Prove I have. Otherwise, it can be justifiably said that its you who are twisting my words.

Miranda, there are some who care very much - me included.

Save us God from 'Poles' such as 'miranda.'

News / POLISH LITTLE GIRL SHOT DEAD BY AN ITALIAN [104]

Daffy, why wouldn't you allow the people I'm addressing my questions to, e.g. miranda, patrycja, answer them?

Why do you keep on answering my questions put up to them?

Are they and you the same person?

By the way, when do you answer my question re your allegation that I practice (?) some extremely bad vigilantism and incite hatred between nations?

News / POLISH LITTLE GIRL SHOT DEAD BY AN ITALIAN [104]

Daffy, you hamper any normal discussion in this thread by answering for others.

It's as though you've been trying to prevent any matter-of-fact exchange on the murder of the Polish girl.

Prove that I incite to hatred against Italians.

Meanwhile yourself seem to incite contempt and hostility towards the Polish people by denying them the right to defend themselves when abused, playing down murders committed against them, and even denying us the right to express our feelings about the abuses leveled at us.

All in a 'Polish Forum.'

News / POLISH LITTLE GIRL SHOT DEAD BY AN ITALIAN [104]

Well, miranda, any person, and especially an educated person (that you suggest you are) ought to be able to prove the validity of what they state. Hence no, I won't abstain from asking you for a proof of your assertion that I 'hate people who have a different opiniopn [SIC - P.] than' I.

Prove this and also your assertion that I'm paranoid.

No, you don't care at all about people being killed; your posting where you postulate that the nationality of the victim should not be mentioned is proof of this.

Oops, miranda. Prove as well that I'm being impolite.

Daffy, so when I write: 'Isn't it high time for us Poles to start defending ourselves energetically against the Polonophobic racists, cowards, fascists and killers of our children?', I incite to hatred against all Italians?

How?

History / Jews...and their Polish experience [520]

Frank, no kidding that when a group has been hatefully branded for a hundred years, it's 'an extremely sensitive issue' to its members. We have been branded by the Jewish people in the most hateful way imaginable as Jew-haters; at the same time their horrific crimes against the Poles have been played down by them and their allies.

Do you want to learn about the Jewish racism against the Poles, Frank?

News / POLISH LITTLE GIRL SHOT DEAD BY AN ITALIAN [104]

Espana, if being a good boy means not complaining when my countrymen are being mistreated and my country put down, then I don't want to be a good boy.

By the way, you yourself defended very vigorously Spain's honour when you had the perception that I was tarnishing it, didn't you?

Were you a bad boy then too?

News / POLISH LITTLE GIRL SHOT DEAD BY AN ITALIAN [104]

Daffy, so you can't prove that I incite to hatred against Italians when I write: ''Isn't it high time for us Poles to start defending ourselves energetically against the Polonophobic racists, cowards, fascists and killers of our children?', I incite to hatred against all Italians' ?

Aren't you a liar, Daffy?

News / POLISH LITTLE GIRL SHOT DEAD BY AN ITALIAN [104]

In other words, miranda, you say that you can scribble what you please and not be accountable for the content of your scribbling?

And yes, opinions can be proved and disproved, in that any opinion contains a message that can be judged as either true or untrue.

There's no escape from this principle, I am sorry to communicate to you.

I'll be calling on your BS as long as I remain in this forum.
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History / Jews...and their Polish experience [520]

Frank, I know you will make up your mind, and I respect that.
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News / POLISH LITTLE GIRL SHOT DEAD BY AN ITALIAN [104]

Miranda, what evidence do you have that I 'seem to think that everybody is after Polish people and after' me you when there is a slight differance in opinions' [sic]? Give pertinent quotes, postings. Did I ever write or suggest that the whole world is against us and me? Where?

Re: 'Not everybody is the same and that's why this is called forum.' - does your, er, tolerance also extend to my modest person? I wonder.

Re: 'It's for exchanging opinions, not for fighting, calling people names.' - What do you mean by fighting? Do you mean that I fight here instead of discussing? Prove it. As for name calling, have I done it? If I did, was I the only one to have done it?

Re: 'I have never called you names yet. It's not my style.' - You can call me any names, but expect that I'll reply in kind.

Re:'I told you off - but you deserved it a 100%.' - What incident do you mean?

re: UPA. You seem to be very cold-hearted towards Poland and Poles. I wonder if it's your Ukrainian background.

News / POLISH LITTLE GIRL SHOT DEAD BY AN ITALIAN [104]

Shopgirl, does the quote prove that I seem to think that everybody is after Polish people?

In what way?

Do I mention everybody in the quote, or just Americans?

Did I really apologize for the quote?

Where? :)

Hm, what I encounter on this board is relentless negative branding of Poland and Poles by many participants.

And it seems to upset them when a Pole tries to break their stereotyping.

This negative attitude takes me aback and makes me think: Why don't you call this 'Anti-Polish Forum'?

In this thread, only Fish has posted a well-balanced and rational reply to my posting.

News / POLISH LITTLE GIRL SHOT DEAD BY AN ITALIAN [104]

Bubba, you have taken Fisz's sentence from another topic and posted it under this topic, trying to create the false impression that Fisz wrote the sentence in this topic.

History / Jews...and their Polish experience [520]

How about the Poles killed by the Jews during WWII?

Take the village of Koniuchy where the whole population, a few hundred men, women and children, were murdered by the Jews- 'partisans'?

According to Norman Finkelstein, when somebody remarked to the famous Jewish writer (but plagiarist and con artist) Jerzy Kosinski that the Poles had done little to help the Jews during WWII, Kosinski (who by that time, i.e. shortly before his suicide, seemed to feel some remorse about his slandering Poles in his book 'The Painted Bird') asked snappingly what the Jews had done to help the Poles?

Jerzy Kosinski should've known better. - He and his parents spent the war protected by Polish villagers, whom young Kosinski later villified in The Painted Bird. And reportedly his father, who after the Russian 'liberation ' joined the Soviet 'security' apparatus murdering Polish patriots, helped arrest and ship to Siberia the very Polish man who had hid him from the Germans.

Sparrow, what do you mean by 'western history books'?
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Great posting, Matyjasz.