Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

Hm, Frank, let's summarise our exchange.

So based on the posting by 'ola,' you assume that ALL the Poles share her opinion and don't want to sell Polish land.

You don't actually mean it's Polish, only German, right?

If so, what about if, following your reasoning, we consider the whole of Ireland an English land? Why not? It belonged to them in the past too. :)

Then you expound your view of Polish history making some scattered, vague, mataphoric, bad-grammar remarks, such as:

'Poland did ide with Napoleon 1812, supplied 50000 troops......and pissed off the Russians since then, the main reason you country was so trashed by your great neighbours German/Russia, was to put your previous misjudgments to bed, plus a weak Poland was good for both countries... Poland seemingly harboured (by original invitation to lots of religions) the very people Hitler took offence too.......the jews...and Poland for inviting them in, paid a very, very heavy price........true.....Poland was expansionist too........ you just want to bury your head in the sand........not a nice place to be....'Wake up and smell the coffee.....'

When I asked you what you meant, you answered unclearly, or not at all - on the grounds that my questions were 'irrelevant.'

You haven't proved they were irrelevant.

You make claims, Frank, but can't prove them.

Shouldn't you therefore be considered a liar?
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Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

Why are you so defensive when I call your countryman 'neo-Nazi'? His views on Polish history are not only neo-Nazi, but actually Nazi. Why deny this simple fact? That's not true, Daffy that you defend 'any member of the forum,' because in this case you defended your fellow Irishman, and not myself. Why deny this fact?

Hm, and all this in spite of the fact that your countryman is a very weak debater indeed - he has made lots of claims but could not explain nor prove them.

But how powerful national solidarity and fanaticism is.

How does it relate to your vision of united Europe, Daffy? :)

Wow, how actually history works. I've heard about the Irish being Germanophile, but didn't expect you were so to such a degree.

If I'm not mistaken, Ireland remained 'neutral' during WWII, right? And just before his death in 1939, an Irish (but writing in English) poet Yeates wrote a letter to Hitler in which he praised him highly, right?

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Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

Daffy, now I don't trust you a whit. You glib-talker. Daffy, I am dead tired, you little bastard!!! I was to write another couple of pages of my novel, and am wasting my precious time on you guys!!! Go to hell all of you.

Dziekje za rozmowa. Dobranoc. :)

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

No, I can't skip this un! - Fok, Frank, if you were occupied for 800 f...king years, why don't you understand us? We went through exactly the same hell. How would you feel if I scolded the Irish for fighting for independence? We, Poles, had to do it even if it was sometimes hopeless. Know the motto that it's better to die stranding erect than living on your knees? Good night, dobranoc now, guys.

Long live Ireland- kocham Irlandie and the Irish. :)

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

Daffy, I ain't no hypocrite - and you know that. As for the neo-nazis, well, your views, Frank, are a bit like that, but you have the right to hold them. And don't worry - I would first die than limit your right to free expression. But don't expect you can ever limit my right to free expression, eg replying in ki9nd to you. I love the Irish - now after this exchange even more. I love you guys. Good night!

Life / Polish denial of reality - is it a national trade? [117]

Wow, this miranda, what a grand expert on Polish subjects she is! :)

News / Political purges in Polish politics [14]

Giles uses the following terms re Polish government and it's attempts to clean up Polish politics of the communist mafia: 'a hardline catholic right wing government,' (would you explain why do you call them so?), '[i]t [ie. attempts to expose comunist mafiosos - P.]smack of Macarthyism in 1950's USA' (can you give evidence odf that?), 'it [ie. lustration] is inherently self destructive' (why? prove your point), 'a snide manor' (why? any proof?), 'the Polish government is a very dangerous entity, staffed by out spoken racists, anti-semites, homophobes, virulent nationalists and hardline catholics' (and any proof of this?), 'hardly men suitable for a nation tryig to grow into liberal Europe' (why? What do you mean by 'liberal Europe'? Is such Europe good? If yes, why?)

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Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

Hello, Frank. Well, so you suggest that we invaded Russia 'on the backs' of the French during Napoleon's times, and that it was foolish? What do you mean by 'on the backs of the French'? Why exactly was it foolish? By the way, in the 19th century, you Irish attacked once Canada from the US territory (and were beaten back mercilessly by the English). Was the Irish attacking Canada wise, or foolish? Oh, and from what I know there were also Irish in Napoleon's army attacking Russia, weren't there? If yes, were those Irish also foolish, or wise? :)

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

Daffy, so the Fenians all were born in America? :) By the way, what do you mean by 'forgetting that poland is in iraq' (sic)?

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

Why would the Poles fighting the Russkies on Napoleon's side be 'misguided'? So the Irish fighting on the side of many others nations were 'misguided' too? And why do you think we fought 'on the backs' of the French? Do you mean we were sitting on their backs while fighting? :) By the way, the Irish also fought on our, Polish side, in at least one of our national uprisings against the Russkies. Were those Irish misguided? Did they fight on anybody's back?

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

Daffy, from what I know the Fenians fought against the English in Canada on the same principle as we Poles fought against the Germans on the British and American side in WWII. The Fenians fought for free Ireland. Were they 'misguided,' fighting on Americans' backs? :) Why should we ignore the fact that Polish soldiers are in Iraq? Why should we say it has never happened? There are scores of other foreign troops in Iraq: the English, Danish, Japanese, you name them. :)

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

Frank, what do you mean by that 'short term gain' was in their [Poles'] grasp'? Was Poland's independence and freedom a 'short term gain'? If so, then why? So when you Irish fought unsuccessfully, numerous times, during 800 years, for Ireland's independence and freedom, also a 'short term gain' was in your 'grasp'? Were you 'misguided'? Did you have a 'history' o 'doing this'? How about the Greeks fighting the Turks for 500 years? 'Misguided'? 'Short term gain in their grasp'? Had 'a history of doing this'? :)

So, Frank, did the Poles fighting the Russkies on Napoleon's side fight for 'the just cause,' or for the unjust one? Why? Was our, Poles, trying to give the bloody nose to the Germans or Russkies a good thing to do, or not? Poles also fought other Poles in opposing foreign armies, e.g. during WWI, Poles fighting on the German side fought Poles fighting on the French and Russian side. There is a poem, by Slonski, on that.

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

Daffy, you wrote: ' forgetting that poland is in iraq, there are polish descendants in america, like the irish also ' (sic). - So by that you meant that you were ' givin you [= me, Puzzler] a situation - trying to show you [= me, Puzzler] that there would be polish in iraw even if the polish army was not ' (sic)? If so, would you explain even further what you mean? Some clarity, please.

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Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

Frank you haven't answered my questions straightforward. Isn't it so that when the case is about Irish fighting for Ireland on somebody's side, it's a just cause for you, but when the Poles do it for Poland, is an unjust cause for you? Some double standard? If yes, then why? :)

Thanks, espana. How do you do? :)

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

Hm, daffy, really? In Canadian history books, if I remember it right, it's said that the Fenians were Irish who by fighting on US side against the English in Canada thought they were doing it for Ireland's freedom. Sounds pretty convincing, even more so in the light what you and Frank have said about Irish history, the 800 years of the often hopeless struggles.

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

Re: Napoleon. He's been evaluated quite critically in Poland. He promised us independence for fighting on his side. A huge chunk of the French army consisted of the Poles. Then he used us to do terrible disgraceful things, such as crushing the Spanish and San Domingo freedom fighters. Many of us perished in Spain and San Domingo. That was a big disgrace. Also, he gave us much less than he'd promised; he made deals behind our backs with the Russians and Germans. But at first, there was nothing 'misguided' about our joining him: he was the most powerful conqueror since the times of Julius Caesar and he seemed able to change totally the face of Europe, and even the world. We stood by his side to his very end, for the sake of honour.

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

Daffy, have I ever said that the Irish people don't condemn 'the Nazis'? I've hoped that in spite of my occasional silliness :) you've thought me wiser than that. But it seems to me, e.g. from reading Irish literature, that you have always been much more friendly towards the Germans than we, just as we have been more friendly towards the English than you.

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

Frank, how did you calculate it that the 'outcomes' (of Poland's joining Napoleon) were '10/20/30 times worse than ... for the irish' (sic)? What do you mean that 'in the hindsight it all went wrong'? Do you mean that we had a better choice than joining Napoleon, but we didn't make the choice? :)

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

Poland had a few foreign kings. Why would you say we had them because we became disenchanted with our own kings? Were the English disenchanted with English kings when royals of German extraction ruled England? :)

Daffy, thanks, but would you let Frank speak when I ask him questions? :)

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

Hm, so by the '10/20/30' times worse consequences for Poland is meant the allegedly higher number of Polish casualties? I'm not sure if more Poles or Irish perished throughout our both countries' tragic history. As you have suggested yourselves, you had 800 years of oppression, and we Poles 'just' some 200 years in total.

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

OK, speak both at the same time, I don't care. :) Why would you consider our exchange an 'exam,' Frank? Aren't we just discussing, and civilly at that, just as the best in Europe advised to do? :)

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

Have a nice weekend, Frank. See you tomorrow. :)

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

Well, we can also look at the percentage of casualties throughout history. wouldn't the Irish one be higher? I'm not sure. :)

Daffy, I meant Plato, Socrates. :) But yes, Daffy (and Puzzler) are like them when we behave as they taught us to do. :)

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

I'm not sure, Daffy, re the number of casualties. What the percentage would be for Poland and Ireland? Besides, so many of you have immigrated, far more than us. How about the potato famine? How many perished?

I've just read Frank's best wishes for the new EU members, including Poland. Sorry, I didn't notice the post before. Thanks , Frankie. You Irish - real Irish, from Ireland - are sweet people, we Poles know that. I've heard about a Polish rock love song titled 'I love You Like Ireland.' :)

Real Estate / Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land! [823]

Daffy, re the reconcilliation and common ground, I hope for it too. Otherwise, Europe is gone. We should never-ever allow it to happen. :)

I gotta go now, unfortunately. Good night, and see you tomorrow some time. Best. :)

Life / Why to live in Poland? [21]

So Koticzku states that 'all Polish girls are moving out of Poland'? Is it a fact that all of them, none remain? How would you prove it's the case? How about Indian girls moving out of India? There are scores of such, e.g. in America. Why would they move out, if, as you seem to suggest, India is such a grand place? Koticzku admits also that during his alleged trip to Poland he was 'really surprised by political censorship, high taxes and strange rules.' Can you give even one proof of this alleged 'political censorship'? A few examples of those 'strange rules'? Wow, they must be extremely strange when even an Indian finds them so. As for the 'high taxes,' if their height shocks you so much in Poland, make sure you don't go e.g. to France. The height of their taxes might be lethal to you. By the way, are there any taxes in India, or none at all? Are taxes needed at all, or not? What do you think, koticzku? :) PS. Is there any political censorship in India? If so, do the numerous cases of brutal persecutions of Christians there have to do with your censorship?

Koticzku wonders 'why lots of Indians are moving to Poland'?

Hm, I, too, am puzzled by that.

Don't the media hacks in the US, including Canada, call India 'the largest democracy in the world' (SIC) ? :)

So why would all those Indians be moving away to Poland?

Is India too democratic, too low-taxed, too common-regulated, too insignificantly involved in Iraq for them?

Do they think their fellow Indians talk in a not sufficiently bad way about the Indian government?
:)

News / The Impact of Poland joining the EU [64]

Re: somebody calling himself / herself 'polish_pride.' - Never heard such views in Poland, from real Polish people. I think they have been appreciating the EU membership already. And if the Polish salaries go up (experts say it'll happen within next 5 years), and some political issues of concern to Poles get clarified, eg. the German-Russian and EU-Russian relations, then you won't find happier people in the EU. :)

Be careful whilst speaking to trolls.
:)

History / Poland - Looking back to 1990. [18]

Trollie mamma mia suggests that Poland doesn't possess even 'some semblance of stability.' Do you mean that Poland is extremely unstable? Prove it using specific facts. :) Mamma mia also suggests that Poland is in a 'childhood phase.' That's a vague metaphor, isn't it? Are you able to explain clearly and factually what you mean when you state that Poland is in a childhood phase?

Hm, what if it's mamma mia's perception of Poland and language describing Poland still in the extremely trumped-up and negative Cold War propaganda phase?

Secret is right to ask mamma mia: 'Have you ever been in Poland?' (sic).

Of course, even if somebody visits a given place there's no guarantee he or she will perceive the place as it actually is.
:)

Daffy, I would like to see withing next 10-15 years, in fact the sooner the better, one large European economy, rather than separate national economies. But let this economy be European, for the European peoples first. I think EU should, nay, must stop expanding and put tough controls on immigration from without, at least for a long time, until our European house gets put in order.

Oops, in my reply to mamma mia I screwed one sentence. It should be:

'Hm, what if it's mamma mia's perception of Poland and his or her language describing Poland that are still in the extremely trumped-up and negative Cold War propaganda phase?'

News / The Impact of Poland joining the EU [64]

Morning, daffy. Good to see, er, read ya again. :)

News / The Impact of Poland joining the EU [64]

Daffy, please rephrase your question. How do I feel about what?