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What is good about being in the UK? [140]
Ok so it's clearly time to step my game up.
I must say that this is NOT Polish people's fault and they do NOT have to socialise with British at all.
I agree but I also question your logic because then by this standard nobody 'has' to try to integrate either, or, for that matter even attempt to and therefore; now we have an example of how the seeds of hatred are sown and this ends up causing real problems in the future socio-economic climate of the country in question. Please, let's not have double standards as this isn't really fair to one side of the argument or the other.
In my opinion, I think this probably happens to a much worse effect with ex-pats in Spain where Brits refuse to do anything except eat English food in English styled pubs and there is quite the 'mini-Britain' culture over there. This sickens me that we are trying to make a part of another country ours alas this is apparently progress. I don't understand why people can't see how this damages the national identity of the country in question(Especially in Britain with what little of this is left!).
Poles often move abroad to work and save up the money, there is no need for them to practice or even try British traditions or customs or stay friends with their British naighbours.
I've covered this above but I honestly think for you to have a fully shaped well-rounded opinion on this topic you would need to experience the negative effects of mass immigration in your country and then sit and listen to them have a good whine about the many 'flaws' of Poland and how they have extremely 'sad' lives ala Ksysia and see how you feel then. You are correct when you say that they do not have to be friends with their neighbours but I think this is preferable to having neighbours who are complete strangers! (Maybe I am an idealist but I should not be punished for thinking this!)
Reading all those threads it's all a little upsetting to say the least because let me tell you it hurts to hear that you as a citizen are being branded as a racist.
If you don't like it, then please blame your government...
We do (and I agree it's not Poles fault in any way) but that's not exactly a cohesive argument and/or nice thing to hear... of the few things I have ever read on pf about problems in Poland I certainly never staunchly replied "blame it on your government" because this 'government' is a 'representative' of the 'majority' of the people and therefore the fundamental mindset of 'the people' and to this end I might as well blame everything on the government, for example isn't the topic in question based around the mindset of people/individual/person? By this logic; the government has great influence on the minds of the people and therefore this helps to shape the opinions of the people.
This is the problem with democracy, government and even mass media but I'm not going to go into this here!
As for Ksysia, I think she clearly presented a real list of goods about the UK and that doesn't make her a moaner in my opinion.
I STRONGLY disagree that she is not a moaner.
She is simply attention seeking with these threads and titling them "The sad life of a Polish migrant" is just looking to be negative and in my opinion frankly stupid.
The only reason she wrote a list of good things is because I made this thread in counter to hers (immature as it may have been however she did not even attempt to present a cohesive argument when I challenged her on her points in her threads in fact she wrote something so stupid the mods removed this) and without it she would have said nothing.
This was a knee jerk reaction to try and claw back some popularity from people on her part and I think that this much is obvious!
I find Ksysia's comments on the previous page very positive and complimentary, how about you focus on one topic at a time Lefty and stick to this thread and what's been said on it so far instead of dwelling on some old posts? It's a bit childish of you.
No Justysia you know this is not so, I am not being childish about this and I rather think it's rather ignorant of you to even write such without giving it the proper forethought from both perspectives and this is a real lack of producing a cohesive and coherent argument on your part in that I am most certainly not "dwelling on some old posts"! Surely you have realised that this thread was in response to what Ksysia had posted and her negativity towards the UK? This is all 'interrelated' regardless of if you did or not. Now let me show you exactly how I am not "dwelling on old threads" by giving you a lesson in my logic, my example is as follows:
noimmigration is back and he has suddenly decided that he likes Bigos (he accidently tried this ;D) and has now told the forum about it.
Now should we because of this ignore all of his old threads? Ignore everything he has said in the past because he actually said he likes something? I realise that this is a slightly extreme example but nonetheless a usable one, besides the whole reason I created this thread was to counter the other and if you think this is childish I suggest you think about this a little harder because I am almost certain that you would do the same should someone write six threads describing how awful Poland is... but wait! If they then made a list of positive things in another thread then this would make it all ok?
No.
Do you expect praise and glory for Britain all the time?
Not in any way would I even suggest such a thing in the same way that I'm sure you don't expect the same for Poland, the difference is I don't go around making negative comments about things unless I have considered all the factors involved!
Let me give you another example:
When I was in £ódź I was taking the tram to Manafaktura when I witnessed 3 young men racially attacking a Chinese woman, now I will not go into details of exactly what happened but I did not feel the need to create a thread about it on pf even though I could have done quite easily.
The reasons for this in my mind are clear I simply did not feel the need to talk about this in a negative way because I knew that: Yes, some Poles are racist but this is a minority not a majority.
I did not do this:
Thread title:
'The sad tale of an Englishmans observations in Poland - Racism in the streets of £ódź"
Body:
"I observed Polish people spitting on a Chinese woman and I think this is wrong so now I generally think that maybe Poles are racists and this is a real problem in Poland... etc etc (More mindless generalisation)"
I think you get the idea.
Aren't we allowed to dislike certain things about UK as well as loving others?
They/You certainly are and more than likely I will agree on the same points as you may list but then again I will use my common sense and judgement in my opinions about other countries and their foods and behavioural types. Surely (again) this is common sense, no?
Does it mean i hate Britain and the British? Does it mean i hate Britain and the British? Do i have to pack my bags and leave immediately?
I think you are being pedantic, melodramatic and overly defensive. Did I even say anything like that? Do you hear me saying "If you don't like pickled eggs pack your bags and get out!"? No I didn't and no I don't. Please don't treat me like some uneducated chav idiot with no sense at all. I am in fact glad you like lots of things about the UK and I'm glad that you can also talk about the things you don't like in a normal adult manner instead of making things up and moaning about how sad your life is. I didn't sense one bit of negativity in your list of things you like/dislike about Britain other than the mention of the actual things you don't like and this is fine by me! Just please don't turn it into a six thread whine-a-thon because no English person wants to read it! (and I believe we make up the majority on pf! ;D)
Do you love everything about your country? No? Then why don't you leave?
No I don't. There is a lot of things I don't like about my country and I may well leave in the future, still, again, I'm not moaning about it.
You don't own the place, we have the right to stay here as well as you do so stop moaning and throwing a tantrum when you don't like what some people say.
I'm sorry but you don't own my freedom of speech either do you? So as long as there is freedom of speech in this world if I read something I don't like you damn well better expect I will write about it! I think you are much the same as me in this respect! Be careful here as if you think about it you very closely approaching on the borders being hypocritical!