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Pan Kazimierz   
12 Sep 2009
Life / Poland Vodka Production and alcohol drinking culture [16]

I was going to post here complaining about how alcohol makes for the most prominent topic, absolutely ignoring blatant repetition, in the Culture boards, but then I noticed the empty beer bottles next to my keyboard. Dammit.
Pan Kazimierz   
12 Sep 2009
History / US snubs Poland over WW II ceremony? [75]

Technically, I already had that, sort of.
Relax, man, I'm not here to get onto your case after you do something like apologize for unwarranted rudeness. I just wanted to make sure that you weren't screwing with us.
Pan Kazimierz   
11 Sep 2009
History / US snubs Poland over WW II ceremony? [75]

Well, I'm looking at pics of the ceremony. I think Obama should have gone. Poland is a good ally after all. Sorry for my rude comments.

Wait... really?
Pan Kazimierz   
19 Aug 2009
News / Rydzyk gets away with racism yet again [198]

Hahaha sounds like the corny ilusion of a teenage wanting to be arnold schwatsneger in the 90's..

Yes, it was great fun.
Pan Kazimierz   
19 Aug 2009
News / Rydzyk gets away with racism yet again [198]

Well, aside from the fact that I do now and in the forseeable future will reside in Poland, the exception I make is limited to certain very good friends of mine. We saw it fit not to "get past the racial barrier", but rather to 'crash through the front doors and out the back doors of the barrier's nearest guardhouse, in an armored car with sunglasses-wearing flaming skull decals on every flat surface and a Hieronymus Bosch reproduction on the door, hood-mounted machine guns blazing, Motörhead blasting on the jury-rigged PA system, and one arm hanging out of the window making a rude hand gesture, and the tires leaving tracks painting sex and violence on the floor and walls'.

^Yes, there are black people who can make fun of the speech-related hype around them, too.
Pan Kazimierz   
19 Aug 2009
News / Rydzyk gets away with racism yet again [198]

however black people do not like to be called Negros, because that's the word which was used for them during slavery in the USA, so its not a good word to use.

See, that's actually because that's the official term used for their gene pool - "Aboriginal/Negroid". Which explains how it was originally considered quite correct by Caucasians and Negroes alike to use the term to describe the people. Then they started making a fuss about that and it became "colored", with "Negro" being unacceptable. Then they started making a fuss about that and it became "African-American". Fortunately at this point we're apparently getting over all that and people find it perfectly acceptable to just say "black" and "white", instead of "African-American" and "Caucasian".

Though scientists always have and still continue to use the word "Negro(id)".
Pan Kazimierz   
17 Aug 2009
Language / words overused in Polish language [40]

Two words:

"Kurwa!"
"Ja pierdole!"

The former, can easily repeat itself thrice in a single sentence, apparently.
Pan Kazimierz   
15 Aug 2009
Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]

^And the Spartans?
There goes a population of 100% gay!
Pan Kazimierz   
14 Aug 2009
Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]

BUT:
I'll have to do some research, which I can't right now, but isn't the percentage of homosexuals far greater in some cultures than others? Japan, Africa, for example, as compared to eh, not to cater to stereotypes since I'm speaking without definitive proof here but, France? If that's true (which I'm not sure that it is, and I would normally check it to be sure before posting/not posting), then why would that be the case?
Pan Kazimierz   
14 Aug 2009
Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]

I pretty much agree with all of your points although I think it sad that so much emphasis is put on the homosexual avoiding this kind of abuse, instead of condemning the mindless idiots who condone it.

This was as I was advising the original poster on how to get by in Poland. Telling him that other people should be more tolerant of his displays wouldn't exactly help him much now, would it?

"Well that's what happens if you go out in public in a wheelchair. I don't have a problem with the disabled, but this sort of thing will happen when they display their disability in public".

Well, doesn't exactly fit. Maybe if they could just as easily go out without a wheelchair, but they can't. And if they could, then yes, they should be ashamed of themselves for using a wheelchair! It's bad enough that America's already gotten motorized shopping carts for people too fat (for, as no disability is required to use them, the majority of users are simply fat) to walk from shelf to shelf to do their shopping!

"Well there will always be rapists as long as girls continue to go out in short skirts".

Also different somewhat; gay-bashers chose targets that they can see as gays. Most rapists can see who or not is a girl, and who is good-looking, so the biggest problem is avoiding the sort of area where rapes could likely occur without anyone noticing. Especially if they're not carrying pepper spray, and even more so if they're wearing revealing clothing.

the people that don't go out of their way to keep their sexuality secret.

I was under the impression that they were actually going out of their way to broadcast it. Nonetheless, you may be right in a broader context, but still not good advice to tell to a travelling gay.

It has been commented that Polish society respects sexuality as a personal mater, and that people are ok with whatever other people choose to do in the privacy of their own homes. Whilst I respect this position, I would question why I can go out and, hold hands and kiss my girlfriend in the middle of Czestochowa without anyone caring, yet if two gay people did the same then they would be viewed as "ramming it down people's throats".

Well, what can I say. It's true that there are people who get angry over opposite-sex PDA, as well.
I personally stepped outside on my balcony for some fresh air late the other night and saw a couple of easy-on-the-eyes young women walking on the street next to my house and laughing, until one of them stopped in the light cast by my yard's street-lamp (I do find it kind of annoying how it's right there, on my lawn) and smothered the other with a full-face kiss so roughly they fell to the ground, still laughing. Whether they were just raging drunk (another commodity in this area) or actually swung that way I don't know, but I didn't mind too much either way. =)

Don't know that I'd feel the same about two men, though. Probably just be quiet and go back inside.
Pan Kazimierz   
14 Aug 2009
Life / Doda - Blasphemy? [47]

Comparing Catholics to Muslims? That's hugely insulting to Catholics everywherre! Stone him!

Why does your sarcasm not surprise me, despite your support of the decision to fine a woman for calling someone the derogatory word for a homosexual, or indignation at lack of legal action against Rydzyk? Probably because most people are only fans of free speech so long as it aligns with their own views, I suppose.
Pan Kazimierz   
14 Aug 2009
Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]

I'm not referring specifically to legal rights (great strides have been made in this respect in more enlightened countries), only that gay people should have the right to lead their life as they please (within the confines of laws which apply to everyone else), without being discriminated against.

Well, they do: when someone acts to take away or disregard those rights in regards to them, that is a crime. It would be nice if this didn't happen, but it does, so one acknowledge this and work to avoid it's happening.

Do you think this reflects well on Poland? I understand that you are an enlightened individual who can see homosexuality for what it is (a subconscious state of being which is totally harmless to non-homosexuals and can't be passed on/taught/encouraged etc.), so does it sadden you that this is the case?

It does sadden me that this is the case, but I am a practical person who realizes that it is not within his or anyone else's power to change this, while it is in many people's power to circumnavigate it instead. Pirates sail the seven seas? Well, people should be free to sail without fear of being robbed and killed, but since that's not the case, those people would be wise to invest in some manpower and weaponry before taking off from port.

What it needs is for intelligent and tolerant people to make a stand against it. Not for them to say "Oh well" they deserve it for dessing funny".

And this has improved the situation considerably thus far. It has not solved it, and as such a pragmatic observer may still freely that most of the victims were those dumb enough to make themselves targets for what such element still remains.

I'm not entirely sure what your argument is.

You know, at this point I'm really not sure, either. I guess I'm just trying to argue that cross-dressing in Poland is still a stupid thing to do, regardless of what rights you have as a human being to do such stupid things?

Apologies, "won't condone" should read "won't condemn" or "appear to condone"

Oh, that's what I'd thought you'd meant. Well, in that case, I do indeed condemn it. But I condemn also the fool who brings this upon himself (yes, his choice of dress in a place he knows to be dangerously homophobic does make him a fool). I'd call an idiot no less the person in the flashy suit with the iPhone and all that other good stuff in the poor neighborhood, even though I don't in any way condone and do indeed condemn muggers.

Then back to the crux of our argument. Why do you consider it ok for J.K. Rowling to have not "normal" ginger characters in her books, yet you consider it to be a big problem that one of her characters is homosexual?

I don't. I know I said I'd be disgusted at hearing this or some such*, but a first impulse (for, to be honest, my first thought upon learning of this trivial fact was, indeed, something like: "gross."), but I don't consider it to be anything like atrocious or such. But I do have a nagging problem with how the immediate mob reaction was inexplicable joy. Maybe I'm just not used to this sort of thing, but, do you see this as something to be especially overjoyed about?

Pan Kazimierz, you should be f*cking ashamed of yourself.
You realize you are talking about HUMAN BEINGS right? This is sickening.

Well, I wouldn't have used the term "idiots" to describe animals, now, would I?
Pan Kazimierz   
14 Aug 2009
Life / Doda - Blasphemy? [47]

I would have thought secularity was a precondition to get in to the EU?

Irrelevant; freedom of speech is not.

what was illegal about it. link or stfu.

The fact that it broke the law? I'm not entirely sure what kind of link you want, but here's one in English relating a similar incident:

wwrn.org/article.php?idd=6193&sec=39&con=46

In predominantly Catholic Poland, offending religious feelings is punishable by up to two years in prison.

Perhaps you could point to the factual errors in the statement "The bible was written by someone who drank hot wine and herbs"?

I'm not sure why I should, but: neither I nor anyone else can prove that the Bible was written by any one person, since that would require that it was written by God, which would by extension make it not at all hard to believe. Thus factual error must exist in the statement somewhere; take your pick of just where.
Pan Kazimierz   
14 Aug 2009
History / PIŁSUDSKI'S DREAM OF CONFEDERATION? [14]

USA is a union has been for ~240y. is that not long enough for you?

I was talking about Confederacies there, bud, which the USA is not one of. Tell me, how long did the original Articles of Confederation last, and why they were falling apart so hard so fast?

English and Scottish union (1707)

Which was not a Confederacy, thus furthering my point.

as the matter of fact, i personaly prefer Confederation. It is definitely best form of unity for Slavs who likes freedom and their specific matters. Yes, Slavs are kind of free individuals. Confederation is for Slavs, organized as democratic republic

Why would we be able to pull off the first stable, lasting Confederacy in history, where nobody else could?
Pan Kazimierz   
14 Aug 2009
History / PIŁSUDSKI'S DREAM OF CONFEDERATION? [14]

^I thought you wanted a union, Crow? A Confederacy is basically a treaty of friendship among states promising not to attack each other and with a collective military of some sort and a central government that theoretically has some power, but not enough to threaten the sovereignty of the individual states. And we've yet to see one last a significant length of time.

The original Poland-Lithuania was a full Union.
Pan Kazimierz   
14 Aug 2009
Life / Doda - Blasphemy? [47]

What law is that? Not to "offend" christian hardliners???
That's not a law...

Yes, it is. Maximum of penalty five year's jail time.

how was her true statement foolish?

Because it was illegal, as she has no excuse not to know.
Pan Kazimierz   
14 Aug 2009
Life / Doda - Blasphemy? [47]

Poles are overreacting. she is entitled to say what she wants, as long as she does not offend others...

Looks like she did offend plently of people.
There was someone else on these forums who earlier said something among the lines of "see, Poland has these things called laws, and those who do not follow these laws are in no position to later complain", which I find quite agreeable and applicable to this current situation.
Pan Kazimierz   
14 Aug 2009
Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]

Then what exactly is your argument? If we are in agreement that you can't popularize homosexuality, what is the problem with affording homosexuals the same rights as anyone else?

Is that what we were talking about? What rights, specifically, would you like to see gays have that they don't already? Just curious; I honestly really wasn't prepared for this question.

That's fine. So what you're saying is that Poland has a disproportianately high number of people who think it is ok to discriminate against homosexuals? So Poland is very backward in this respect?

That is indeed what I am saying.

I totally understand the concept. I wouldn't walk through some areas of London late at night chatting on my iphone as I am likely to be a victim of crime. That doesn't excuse the criminal, and that doesn't make it any less of a crime. It's like saying women who wear short skirts are asking to be raped!

No sh*t. That's why I never said that your acting like an idiot with regards to expressing your homosexuality makes it okay for people to beat the everloving crap out of you, just that it makes it far more likely to happen.

If you're discouraging it, how exactly will attitudes ever change?

I don't know, through repetitively whupping the asses of transvestites, maybe? What the hell is the correlation? What exactly is it that makes you think that having more gays refusing to look and act like a normal person will make them any more likely to be treated as one?

Or are you happy that so many people in Poland are so ignorant? You don't believe in discrimination against homosexuals but you wont condone it?

A) It seems that you have a nasty habit of putting words in my mouth (or whatever the online equivalent of this would be), please stop.

B) I'm not sure that the word 'condone' means quite what you think it does. I can't address this until I'm sure that it's actually what you meant to say.

Thanks for that. But you agree that red hair is not normal?

I agree that the red-hair gene is a recessive one, and people with ginger hair are consequently a minority. So you could say that it is not normal, yes.
Pan Kazimierz   
14 Aug 2009
History / PIŁSUDSKI & BANDERA? [11]

I think Ukrainians don't have any ill feelings towards Pilsudski at all. On the other hand, UPA leader Bandera is like a sore on every Polish I have ever met. I have lived in Ukraine for 19 years since my birth and first time I heard about Pilsudsky - just as a political figure and nothing to do with independance fight etc. - was when I was older and not in Ukraine. From what I have noticed in Polish connaisances I had, Bandera is already a part of Polish everyday vocabulary.

Where do you live? Can't say the same here. Not to most people, at least. Though obviously it's one of the more common words, after "the", "and", "but", "or", "also", "Jews", and "WWII" on these forums, but I don't think that they're at all a representation of the population as a whole. From what politics I've talked with Polish people not online, they're far more concerned with more practical topics, such as the EU, currency transition, Iraq war, and all that good stuff.

Though it's true that what little I have heard of Bandera hasn't been at all good.
Pan Kazimierz   
14 Aug 2009
Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]

or u have, but only the transvenstites.

That is correct. It is also correct that that is exactly what I am discouraging.

Where i come from, we dont go drunk driving gay bashing.

Differences in culture i guess.

So where you come from, cross-dressing may well be an absolutely safe practice that carries zero risk of ass-kicking. But since we're talking specifically about Poland, I'll have to say that here, it's not.
Pan Kazimierz   
14 Aug 2009
Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]

No dude, it means respecting each other, you might do a lot of stuff i dont like, but that does NOT give me the right to bash you or ridiculize you right?

It's not a question of whether they have the right to; the fact is that they do. And another fact is that they generally don't just decide, 'hey, let's go out gay-hunting tonight', and go around scrutinizing people to determine whether or not they are gay. Your typical gay-basher is a very simple man. He just gets drunk with his buddies, drives around at high speeds like drunk simple types do, and if he suddenly sees a man in a pink mini-skirt by the side of the roads decides in his drunken state that it would be a good idea to beat him up. How many times do you think that their target has been treated in such a fashion already that day? Compare: how many times has your average Franklin W., who is gay but does not feel the compulsive need to stand out and display the fact to the whole world, been the target of anti-gay violence that day? Sure, it probably wouldn't be a problem in A Perfect World where you could change the mindset of an entire group of people or at least keep the alcohol out of their systems, or it doesn't have to be in the real world, where you can just stop trying to get everyone's attention with your ridiculous choice clothing.

Whether or not you may have the right to take a walk where you please, that does not mean that you should target the poorest, most crime-filled neighborhood in your nation's capitol to walk through in a flashy suit, with a gold watch and occasionally stopping to count stacks of money in front of large groups of mean-looking people with tattoos and no hair. You may be exercising your rights, but that doesn't make what you're doing much less of just plain stupid.
Pan Kazimierz   
14 Aug 2009
Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]

^You want to tell him to wear shirts that have targets on the back next? Go ahead. Maybe also start advertising the practice of leaving one's shiny new car parked in the poorest neighborhood around for a few days at a time on a regular basis, as well? With the doors unlocked and open?

There is such a thing as "expressing yourself", and there is such a way to do it as "petty and stupid".
Pan Kazimierz   
13 Aug 2009
Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]

The debate has nothing to do with whether homosexuality is defined as "normal" or whether it should be described as an illness/defect/impairment etc.

Mine does. That's what I was here for.

As ginger hair is not normal, it begs the question (as you seem to love the Harry Potter comparisons), why did J K Rowling decide to create several characters (The Weasleys) with ginger hair?

Red hair in fiction is often used to depict 'fiery' emotional state and/or shortness of temper. Blond for weakness of character -or- emotional detachment(sp? also, see: Malfoys), black for cool and rational (Harry, his father, Snape). This actually does hold pretty well for all the Weasleys excepting Ron and his father. That since you asked.

So are you suggesting that because this doesn't make sense:

It implies that the:

is a viable theory?

Errrno. It was one such thing that some people like to call 'a rhetorical question', to show that I am not interested in explaining how popularizing homosexuality could make people gay because I never said that it could in the first place.
Pan Kazimierz   
12 Aug 2009
News / French and Poles [146]

Oh ghee, did I tread on some sensitive toes here? OF COURSE there are ppl who helped the Jews, no nation exists entirely of idiots and barbarians.

Yeah, I absolutely agree. And that is therefore why using the exact same tactics of showing a few incidents as proof of a mentality that lasted centuries is not a good tactic. i.e: "Of COURSE there were people who didn't like Jews; no nation consists entirely of saints and martyrs."
Pan Kazimierz   
12 Aug 2009
Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]

^Always may be the wrong word. I think you're hilarious in the abstract: you activist types always claim to be the 'enlightened', 'progressive', 'intellectual'... when you see a real debate to the effect that homosexuality (*gasp!*) is not actually normal, you are reduced to name-calling, quote-chopping, and non-sequiter.
Pan Kazimierz   
12 Aug 2009
Life / Openly gay in Poland [245]

Pan Kazimierz has the hots for him :P

hahaha

Lame.