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Openly gay in Poland [245]
I'm not referring specifically to legal rights (great strides have been made in this respect in more enlightened countries), only that gay people should have the right to lead their life as they please (within the confines of laws which apply to everyone else), without being discriminated against.
Well, they do: when someone acts to take away or disregard those rights in regards to them, that is a crime. It would be nice if this didn't happen, but it does, so one acknowledge this and work to avoid it's happening.
Do you think this reflects well on Poland? I understand that you are an enlightened individual who can see homosexuality for what it is (a subconscious state of being which is totally harmless to non-homosexuals and can't be passed on/taught/encouraged etc.), so does it sadden you that this is the case?
It does sadden me that this is the case, but I am a practical person who realizes that it is not within his or anyone else's power to change this, while it is in many people's power to circumnavigate it instead. Pirates sail the seven seas? Well, people should be free to sail without fear of being robbed and killed, but since that's not the case, those people would be wise to invest in some manpower and weaponry before taking off from port.
What it needs is for intelligent and tolerant people to make a stand against it. Not for them to say "Oh well" they deserve it for dessing funny".
And this has improved the situation considerably thus far. It has not solved it, and as such a pragmatic observer may still freely that most of the victims were those dumb enough to make themselves targets for what such element still remains.
I'm not entirely sure what your argument is.
You know, at this point I'm really not sure, either. I guess I'm just trying to argue that cross-dressing in Poland is still a stupid thing to do, regardless of what rights you have as a human being to do such stupid things?
Apologies, "won't condone" should read "won't condemn" or "appear to condone"
Oh, that's what I'd thought you'd meant. Well, in that case, I do indeed condemn it. But I condemn also the fool who brings this upon himself (yes, his choice of dress in a place he knows to be dangerously homophobic does make him a fool). I'd call an idiot no less the person in the flashy suit with the iPhone and all that other good stuff in the poor neighborhood, even though I don't in any way condone and do indeed condemn muggers.
Then back to the crux of our argument. Why do you consider it ok for J.K. Rowling to have not "normal" ginger characters in her books, yet you consider it to be a big problem that one of her characters is homosexual?
I don't. I know I said I'd be disgusted at hearing this or some such*, but a first impulse (for, to be honest, my first thought upon learning of this trivial fact was, indeed, something like: "
gross."), but I don't consider it to be anything like atrocious or such. But I do have a nagging problem with how the immediate mob reaction was inexplicable joy. Maybe I'm just not used to this sort of thing, but, do
you see this as something to be especially overjoyed about?
Pan Kazimierz, you should be f*cking ashamed of yourself.
You realize you are talking about HUMAN BEINGS right? This is sickening.
Well, I wouldn't have used the term "idiots" to describe animals, now, would I?