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Salomon   
19 May 2009
History / Poland: dont blame us its the Germans. [174]

Which to believe: official figures from the Polish government (i.e. 1,808) or unsourced numbers ("probably more than 50,000") from a website which anybody can edit?

You are liar ... because in source you used before ... sometimes you cn find statments that there is propably 500 000 of people with such origin but only 5000 claimed to be non Polish citizen of Poland. ... You manipulate ...
Salomon   
19 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

It was conquered territory which you held by force of arms and claims to ethnic majority which you yourself installed in a prolonged brutal process, pretty much the same as Wroclaw or Poznan.

Germans never been in majority in Poznań ...

What is more after 1918 ... there was no expulsions ... in revange for Germanisation ... after Hitler everyting changed, poker is poker, Germans wanted everything and lost a lot... still I don't understand why their allies got so much.

(It's nearly as funny as when Crow says Germans are germanized Slavs - still not saying who were these mysterious original "germanizers")

Well eastern Germans when we talk about the origin have some slavic blood the same as they have more Nordic blood than southern Germans...

Did they expell the Poles???

Yes

germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/sub_document.cfm?document_id=1840

Bismarck's Kulturkampf ("cultural struggle") against the Catholic Church included - and at times appeared driven by - a determined effort to undermine Polish nationalism in Prussia's eastern provinces. The immediate context for this long speech was abrutal operation in March and July 1885 whereby 48,000 Poles and Polish Jews were deported from these provinces.

Salomon   
19 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

So...who did the mysterious "germanizing" of the Germans? :):):)

Lets leave it for Crow.

Bismarck was right to try to break the catholics neck as he wanted to modernize Prussia!

Well result wasn't good as long as many Polish Protestants became Catholic - national ties were stronger than religous.
Salomon   
19 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

Either you overvalue the power of the german culture or you totally dismiss the power of polish culture.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulturkampf

Prussia's Germanisation policies in the Province of Posen mostly failed. Although most of the administrative measures aimed against the Poles remained in force until 1918, between 1912 and 1914 only four Polish-owned estates were expropriated, while at the same time Polish social organizations successfully competed with German trade organizations and even started to buy land from the Germans. The long-lasting effect of the Polish-German conflict in the area was development of a sense of Greater Polish identity, distinct from the identity common in other parts of Poland and primarily associated with nationalist ideas rather than socialism, prevailing in other parts of the country in the 20th century.

...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Poles_by_Germany

It is estimated that between 1.6 and 2 million people [9] were expelled from their homes during the German occupation of Poland. Only the German organized expulsions affected directly 1,710,000 Poles.[8] Additionally, 2.5 to 3 million Poles were taken from Poland as labourers to Germany to support the Nazi war effort.[5] These numbers do not include people arrested by the Germans and sent to Nazi concentration camps.[9].

Germans after the war received what they asked for. Poker is poker and in my opinion thay paide little price for what they have done. If I were responisble ... I'd made holocaust for them as long as I am not very religous person.
Salomon   
19 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

Still fighting the war? Who cares...

It seems that you care, about result of this debate :) and I am telling you that after WWII it wouldn't be wrong to have border on Elbe river... If I were Stalin I would make so :-) After 60 years ... we would say, Move on!
Salomon   
19 May 2009
History / Heretics Asylum - The First Republic of Poland [50]

How about more simple solution, no redefinition and who reject the teachings stop call himself Catholic?

all in all people aren't burned at the stake in the name of Jesus,



;-)

it is good that Poles never cared to much about so called teachings of the church and buring at the stake wasn't popular. It is enought to have own brain.
Salomon   
19 May 2009
History / Heretics Asylum - The First Republic of Poland [50]

read something before you calim such nonsense.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_by_burning

In 1184, the Roman Catholic Synod of Verona legislated that burning was to be the official punishment for heresy, as Church policy was against the spilling of blood. It was also believed that the condemned would have no body to be resurrected in the Afterlife. This decree was later reaffirmed by the Fourth Council of the Lateran in 1215, the Synod of Toulouse in 1229, and numerous spiritual and secular leaders through the 17th century.

Civil authorities burned persons judged to be heretics under the medieval Inquisition, including Giordano Bruno. Burning was also used by Protestants during the witch-hunts of Europe.

I am not defending anny of the churches but simple motivate the people to use thier own brain ... not folow the teachings, so many times those teachings were so wrong... :-)

But here is point for Poland ... where burning at the stake wasn't popular in general... without looking on churches.
Salomon   
19 May 2009
Life / Polish gliders [10]

Sen o Warszawie



Moj swiat ma skrzydla


Salomon   
19 May 2009
News / Kaliningrad. Problem, Threat or Opportunity for Poland? [185]

Well Crow maybe you should use soft power. Maybe you should rather go in positive direction in case of east Germany. What I mean ... information, make list of German names with were trasformed from Slavic version ... and inform this people that they weren't assimilated in firiedly way but by force.

All in all Germans want to build Europe of Regions and I see huge space for such iniciative in eastern Germany. Regional identity is stronger and stronger in modern europe. Why not in eastern Germany ? As I've said, everything in positive way using soft power.

aer.eu
Salomon   
19 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

You would never had made a polish Prussia!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizard_Union_(medieval)

The Lizard Union or Lizard League (German: Eidechsenbund; Polish: Związek Jaszczurczy) was an organization of Prussian nobles and knights established in Culmerland (Chełmno Land) in 1397. Its declared goal was to combat lawlessness, although it discreetly sought the transfer of Culmerland from the Teutonic Knights to Poland.

Renys was executed by the Order after the war, causing the remaining members of the Lizard Union to flee to Poland.[2] The Lizard Union was declared illegal[citation needed] by Pope Gregory XII and Emperor Sigismund and was subsequently dissolved. However, it laid the foundation of the later Prussian Confederation, which requested the annexation of the Monastic State of the Teutonic Knights into Poland in 1454.

Salomon   
19 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

And?

/wiki/Nicholas_von_Renys

Nicholas von Renys (German: Nikolaus von Renys; Polish: Mikołaj z Ryńska; 1360 - 1411) was a secular Prussian knight during the Polish-Lithuanian-Teutonic War (1409-1411).

Nicholas von Renys was born at Rhein (Ryn) near Lötzen (Giżycko) in Prussia, within the komturship of Balga. Jan Długosz described him as a German (Nicolaus dictus Niksz, nacione Swewus) in his Banderia Prutenorum.[1] Stephen Turnbull identifies him as a "secular knight of Polish descent ... of the clan Rogala"

During the Battle of Grunwald in 1410, von Renys carried the banner of the Culmerland troops for the Teutonic Order, described in the Latin Banderia Prutenorum.[1] Unwilling to fight against Poland, he lowered the banner, which was considered a signal for retreat that contributed to the defeat of the Knights.

Salomon   
19 May 2009
Life / Questions about IKEA in Poznan [20]

You can also try:

Polskie Meble in Poznań if you are looking for something with better quality.

polskiemeble.com.pl
Salomon   
19 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

Bratwurst you can use term Nazi instead of German but ... you can claim that Hitler was born in Austria but ... It was German policy.

/wiki/Expulsion_of_Poles_by_Germany

It is estimated that between 1.6 and 2 million people [9] were expelled from their homes during the German occupation of Poland. Only the German organized expulsions affected directly 1,710,000 Poles.[8] Additionally, 2.5 to 3 million Poles were taken from Poland as labourers to Germany to support the Nazi war effort.[5] These numbers do not include people arrested by the Germans and sent to Nazi concentration camps.[9]

It is story of WWII in Poland. You can't change it. Hoses stolen from the Poles were given for Germans. I have strange feeling that Germans try to make their history softer ... but if Germans had won ... some people on east would talk about place where I live like Crow about East Germany ... Accept your past as it was.
Salomon   
20 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

Next Chapter Of Polish hisotry durring WWII

/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Polish_children_by_Germany

Kidnapping of Polish children by Nazi Germany (Polish: Rabunek dzieci), part of the Generalplan Ost (GPO), involved taking children from occupied Poland and moving them to Nazi Germany for the purpose of Germanization, or conversion into Germans. The aim of the project was to acquire and "Germanize" children with purportedly Aryan traits who were considered by Nazi officials to be descendants of German settlers that had immigrated to Poland.[/b]

/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

In 1941 it was decided to destroy the Polish nation completely and the German leadership decided that in 10 to 20 years the Polish state under German occupation was to be fully cleared of any ethnic Poles and settled by German colonists.[4] A majority of them, now deprived of their leaders and most of their intelligentsia (through human losses, destruction of culture, and the ban on education above the absolutely basic level), would have to be deported to regions in the East and scattered over as wide an area of Western Siberia as possible, according to the plan resulting in their assimilation by the local populations which would cause the Poles to vanish as a nation.

After that ... Germans could had been exterminated ... well somebody decided to treat them softer....

The fact is that they wanted to exterminate whole Polish nation.

After that ... Germans could had been exterminated ... well somebody decided to treat them softer....

I am thinking ... about this conclusion... Finally Germans wanted to exterminate whole Poland ... murdered millions of Polish citiens ( 50% of murdered were Jews 50% were christian)

If they had been exterminated in revenge after the war ... as for me it looks ok.

Well somebody made different decision and there was no serious revenge on them after the war ... maybe that is why they are so impudent with their interpretations of history.

Now we are neighbors and new generations are growing but drawing a conclusion ... next time punishment for such crimes (lets hope it will never happen) should be much more severe.
Salomon   
20 May 2009
History / Poland: dont blame us its the Germans. [174]

What happened to the hundreds of thousands of Polish Jews who survived the holocaust?

They have made great carrer in communist Poland.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakub_Berman

Between 1944-1956 Berman was a member of Politbiuro of Polish United Workers' Party (PUWP) responsible for Urząd Bezpieczeństwa (State Security Services), propaganda, and ideology. In this capacity he was directly responsible for Stalinist-type terror and repressions against real and imagined political opponents of the communist regime in Poland. Urząd Bezpieczeństwa prosecution of ex-Home Army members, Roman Catholic Church clergy, and purges in the military, resulted in at least 6,000 death sentences, imprisonment and prosecuction of estimated 500,000 Polish patriots.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salomon_Morel

Salomon (Solomon or Shlomo) Morel (November 15, 1919 in Garbów, Poland - February 14, 2007 in Tel Aviv, Israel) was between February and November 1945 a member of the Urząd Bezpieczeństwa (Communist Security) and the Stalinist-era commandant of the Zgoda camp in Świętochłowice, Poland.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helena_Wolińska-Brus

Lt. Col. Helena Wolińska-Brus (1919-2008) (born as Fajga Mindla Danielak) was a former military prosecutor in Poland in the rank of lieutenant colocel (podpułkownik), involved in Stalinist regime show trials of the 1950s. She has been implicated in the arrests - and in some cases deaths - of key figures in Poland's anti-Nazi resistance.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Brystiger

Julia Brystiger (née Prajs), born November 25, 1902 in Stryj, died November 9, 1975 in Warsaw, was a Polish Communist activist and a member of the Stalinist apparatus. She was also known as Julia Brystygier, Bristiger, Brustiger, Briestiger, Brystygierowa, Bristigierowa, and by her nicknames Luna, Bloody Luna, Daria, Ksenia, Maria. The nickname Bloody Luna was a direct reference of her Gestapo-like methods during interrogations

Salomon   
20 May 2009
History / Poland: dont blame us its the Germans. [174]

Thise exreme examples were speical for Harry... there is of course much more positive perosonalities with such background..

As to nubers of non white people in Poland ... they are much higher than Harry mentioned.

What is more 177 hate crimes isn't special number... there may be different interpretations but still 177 is tinny number.

As to being Polish or not in national survey ... I have next example:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars#Polish_Tatars

. It is estimated that about 3000 Tatars live in present-day Poland, of which about 500 declared Tatar (rather than Polish) nationality in the 2002 census.

Salomon   
20 May 2009
History / Poland: dont blame us its the Germans. [174]

Anny way I don't see the reason to talk to Harry Templeton as long as he uses provocation in his debates. :) He maniupaltes data ... he hates country where he lives :)

Thank you Harry that you posted that there were 177 such crimes in Poland ... what incudes racist graffiti on wall or racist statment on stadium (in what non white person isn't needed) :)
Salomon   
20 May 2009
History / Poland: dont blame us its the Germans. [174]

Poland: dont blame us its the Germans.

Well ... of course crimes commited on Polish nation like expultions, slave laubour, murders were done by the Germans.

Well ... we all people know the story of Polish Jews but ... in my opinion Germans don't like to talk about what they have done for ... non-Jewish Polish citizens.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_crimes_against_ethnic_Poles

In addition to about three million Polish Jews (mostly killed in Operation Reinhard), 2.5 million non-Jewish Polish citizens perished during the course of the war

Germany planned to completely remove the indigenous population of Poland. According to the Lebensraum ideology, their place was to be taken by the German military and civilian settlers. During the occupation, more than one million Poles were expelled by German authorities, including 923,000 Poles ethnically cleansed from territories Germany annexed into the Reich.

Between 1939 and 1945, at least 1.5 million Polish citizens were transported to the Reich into forced labor, many of them teenage boys and girls

Well it wasn't English people who have done so but it was the Germans. The Germans were robbig whole country, the Germans were stealing everythnig what was valuable ...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

In 1941 it was decided to destroy the Polish nation completely and the German leadership decided that in 10 to 20 years the Polish state under German occupation was to be fully cleared of any ethnic Poles

In my opinion Germans with their vision of history (after reading their press) should be very careful and yes in my opinion they haven't been punished severe enough for what they have done.
Salomon   
20 May 2009
History / Poland: dont blame us its the Germans. [174]

its the Germans.

Well when we look on facts ... from WWII ... Poles had the right to start exterminate Germans...

In case of using German plans against Germans ... nobody would say anything after 60 years.

It would be story of German nation which wanted to exterminate Polish nation but was exterminated in revenge.

For some reasons somebody teraten them softer ... that is why they are so impudent ...

What Poland should do ... Draw conclusions and next time make proper severe revenge.
Salomon   
20 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

You see extermination of an entire people as OK? What about those few Germans who did oppose Nazis and helped opressed civilians?

It is question of Polands place on "civilization leather" and safty in the future. You need to fight for your place.

Polands place in German minds isn't hight

Just look on different standarts Germans have in wars on west and on east. Poland in this situation should use German satandarts used on east.

Drawing conclusion ... in case of severe revange Poland would be in much safer situation (revange would be kind of self defence) ... Poland would be richer ... and happier country.
Salomon   
20 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

The primary culprit of Polands downfall was Poland itself, we allowed Germany and Russia to rise to power through our inaction and internal discord back when we were a major player in Europe, before you go medieval on anyone abroad take a critical look at our own nation.

Power in genreal is differen question... I am talking about different standarts Germans have in their policies on east to what they have on west ...

How to say it ... they have choosen standarts using which they should be treaten after the war.

If Poles exterminated them after the war ... it would be totaly ok according to German standarts they have chosen to use on east ...

What I want to add, Poland to change Germans making much more brutal politics on east (not only durring WWII) than on west ... needs to use the same methods which Germans choose when it comes policies towards Poland ... nothing more.

Now we have peacfull times (Poland and Germany aren't preparing armies on borders) but there is need to draw the conclusion.

I consider such behaviour as element of self-defence and self-respect which could lead to higher standards in conflicts Poland has against Germany.
Salomon   
20 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

Ah, I see. Would that include the Ancient Prussians too?

Oh yes ... most of them were exterminated in middle ages ... rest assimilated into Polish, German culture, or live in Lithuania which supported Poland durring battle of Grunwald (because they were next on the list)... very interesting story.

What is your point exactly? Hitler has been dead for 64 years now, people who served in Wehrmacht are dead or old, discussing any revenge or conflict 3 generations later when the situation has been stable for more than half a century is kinda pointless.

Well of course we haven't had such positive neigbourhood with German state for centuries....

I am debating about history.