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Salomon   
7 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

Isn't it always "another case" with the Poles? LOL

It is you who moan on wrong forum. So you should cry in conversations with deciders. Americans, Brits and Russians.



Any German who wants to can now live again in the finely restaured old german towns of new Poland, thank you! :)

You can buy house in Poland ... if you have enough money ... :-)

BTW. Poland was raped, robbed and sold during WWII. That is subject for another discussion.
Salomon   
7 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

Making final conclusion. Poland was on loosers side after WWII. Poland lost 2 major cities with Polish majority before WWII. Milions of Polish people didn't receved compenations. Poland received some cities which belonged to Poland in the past and for which Poland had supported historical claims but ... they were ruined and destroyed. Now Polish former "allies" who sold Poland clean their hands and Poland has to struggle with Bratwurst like revisionists from Germany ...
Salomon   
7 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

Poland or no Poland you savages needed a victory to move on

Well German plans are well known

Best seller from Germany: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf

Mein Kampf

It was bestseller in Germany, now Germans can try to talk about maniac whose plans weren't well known...

They were well known... German wanted to murder half of europe... and they voted for it in elections. They votes "Lets kill people from neigbourhood countries"

It is my sign for Bratwurs:



Any German who wants to can now live again in the finely restaured old german towns of new Poland, thank you! :)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loecknitz

Since Poland joined the Schengen Agreement, the population of Löcknitz is growing, as rates and costs of land acquisition are lower than in Poland. Many commuters from Szczecin are living in Löcknitz

Salomon   
7 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

III. REPARATIONS FROM GERMANY.2. The U. S. S. R. undertakes to settle the reparation claims of Poland from its own share of reparations.

Well ... Why Germans payed for Soviet Union ? Poland haven't receved single dollar from Soviets. It is German problem that they payed money for wrong country. It is good that thy haven't payed Polish comenasations for North Korea. LOL

What is more Soviet Union invaded Poland with Nazi Germany in 1939. I don't know why they received this money ...
Salomon   
7 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

You are stupid Nathan. Germany payed money for wrong country. It is not Polands business. As I've said it is good that they haven't payed it for Iran, North Korea or Egipt. LOL

Germans payed money for their ally form 1939 with whom they invaded Poland.
Salomon   
7 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

Where did the monies for Poland's immediate post-war reconstruction come from?

Do you know how Polands recnostruction looked like.... Socialistic ... everybody worked. Poland haven't received single dollar from Soviets and also Soviets forbiden for Poland to participate in Marshal plan ...

Quite clearly this is Poland's problem not Germany's as you keep saying Germany should have "'payed money" to Poland not USSR.

Of course they should pay it for Poland not for USSR.

Maybe Poland should pay some current debts for North Korea and tell creditors that they should talk with North Korea. LOL

But actually there is no problem after all, as both the Polish and German governments agreed in 2004 that there was no legal basis for either country to pay reparations to each other. Maybe you should contact the Polish government and ask them why they decided not to persue this further?

Well ... if it is somebodys merci it is Polish merci. In my opinion it is totaly wrong.

Poland was invaded by Soviets and Germans in 1939.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov-Ribbentrop_Pact

In addition to stipulations of non-aggression, the treaty included a secret protocol dividing Eastern Europe into German and Soviet spheres of influence, anticipating potential "territorial and political rearrangements" of these countries. Thereafter, Germany and the Soviet Union invaded their respective portions of Poland, followed by Soviet annexations of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and northern Romania. Part of eastern Finland was annexed by the Soviet Union after an attempted invasion.

Soviet and German officers meeting after the invasion of Poland
Salomon   
7 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

According to this map I have Prussian Jazwingen origin :)
moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/sadowski.html

First Pole in USA :)

poles.org/DB/S_names/Sadowski_A/Sadowski_art.html

Nathan do you think that Lithuenians should have the right to expel me just because I have Polish national identity.

The problem is that Poles never expeled annybody in Wilno or . Unlike the Germans in Gdańsk or in Prussia...

Anny way it is not Poland who should fight over the maps. Decisions were made somewhere ealse.
Salomon   
7 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

I don't need to confirm about my city anything. I know it was and is Ukrainian. If you are interested in history of Lviv, there are plenty of literature.

So why majority of its citizens fought against incorporation into Ukraine ?

LOL

Or Wilno

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Central_Lithuania

Where its citzens made pro-Polish uprise....

Anny way. the fact that Poland lost this cities and so many of its citzens were expeled after WWII to Poland ... show only how much Poland had to say after WWII...

As to Germans they wanted to expele all ethnic Poles from Poland ... it is much different story.
Salomon   
7 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toruń

After World War II, the population increased more than twofold and industry developed significantly. The University itself was founded by Polish professors of the University of Wilno, who were forced to abandon their native city and move to post-1945 Poland.

Salomon   
7 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

As to Soviets it is enought to see what have happened fro memebers of the most popular anti-Nazi resistance underground were muredered or imprisoned.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armia_Krajowa

In late 1943, the actions of Soviet partisans, who were ordered to liquidate the AK forces

Even then, the main forces of the Red Army and the NKVD conducted operations against the AK partisans, including during or directly after the Polish Operation Tempest, which was designed by the Poles to be a joint Polish-Soviet action against the retreating Germans and to establish Polish claims to those territories. AK helped Soviet units with scouting or organizing uprisings and helping to liberate various cities (ex. Operation Ostra Brama, Lwów Uprising), only to find that immediately afterwards AK troops were arrested, imprisoned - or even executed. Unknown to the Poles, Stalin's aim to ensure that an independent Poland would never reemerge in the postwar period made the Operation Tempest idea fatally flawed from the beginning.

Soviet forces continued to engage the elements of AK long after the war. Many AK soldiers continued fight after World War II in anti-Soviet Polish underground, known as the cursed soldiers.

And later Germany payed compensation for Soviets LOL ...

What is more Poles were expeled form towns on east... and it only shows how much Poles had to say after the war.

What is more:

geocities.com/Pentagon/9764/warpoland.html

Poland lost 38% of it's national assets, as compared to Britain which lost 0.8% and France which lost 1.5%.

Salomon   
7 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

First of all Nathan Germans are first country which tells Poland to forget about you and let Russians dominate Ukraine. In my opinion they might be right... (for all Polish people - read Nathan)

As to Germans ... they destryed Warsaw... and other Polish cities... and payed money for wrong country.
Salomon   
7 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

I meant that some Poles would still like to expand and take back parts of Ukraine and Lithuania.

I meant that before somebody will ask Poles for something.... they should think about other unsolved issues (I doubt that one day they will be solved).

What is more chnages after WWII only shows that Poland was on loosers side durring WWII. Poland lost milions of its citizens. Polish cites were devastated ... Poland was robbed ... it was close to total anhilation of Polish nation. Compensations were given for somebody ealse.

Before WWII I would chose pre-war Poland, today I would chose post-war Poland.

agree
Salomon   
8 Jun 2009
News / EU elections in Poland: excuses for not voting please [43]

It is list of Polish MPs in euro parlament:

LEWANDOWSKI Janusz Antoni - PO

WA£ĘSA Jarosław Leszek - PO

KOZ£OWSKI Jan Andrzej - PO

ZWIEFKA , Tadeusz Antoni - PO

BUBLEWICZ , Beata Maria - PO

HÜBNER, Danuta Maria - PO

TRZASKOWSKI , Rafał Kazimierz - PO

ZALEWSKI , Paweł Ksawery - PO

HIBNER , Jolanta Emilia - PO

SARYUSZ-WOLSKI, Jacek Emil - PO

GRÄFIN VON THUN UND HOHENSTEIN , Róża Maria - PO

BUZEK , Jerzy Karol - PO

OLBRYCHT , Jan Marian - PO

HANDZLIK , Małgorzata Maria - PO

MARCINKIEWICZ , Bogdan Kazimierz - PO

PROTASIEWICZ , Jacek - PO

NITRAS , Sławomir Witold - PO

KANDYDACI PiS :

CYMAŃSKI Tadeusz - PiS

LEGUTKO , Ryszard Antoni - PiS

KEMPA , Beata Agnieszka - PiS

CZARNECKI , Richard Henry - PiS

KURSKI , Jacek Olgierd - PiS

MIGALSKI , Marek Henryk - PiS

PIECHA , Bolesław Grzegorz - PiS

ZIOBRO , Zbigniew - PiS

KAMIŃSKI , Michał Tomasz - PiS

BIELAN , Adam Jerzy - PiS

MATUSZEWSKI, Marek - PiS

KANDYDACI SLD-UP:

SENYSZYN , Joanna - SLD

GIEREK , Adam - SLD

GERINGER DE OEDENBERG , Lidia Joanna - SLD

IWIŃSKI , Tadeusz - SLD

LIBERADZKI , Bogusław Marian - SLD

ZEMKE Janusz Władysław - SLD

KANDYDACI PSL:

KALINOWSKI , Jarosław - PSL

SIEKIERSKI, Czesław Adam - PSL

They are still not sure :

KACZMAREK, Filip Andrzej - PO

JĘDRZEJEWSKA, Sidonia Elżbieta - PO

GÓRSKI , Tomasz - PiS

ZALESKI , Zbigniew - PO

PIOTROWSKI, Mirosław Mariusz - PiS

£UKACIJEWSKA , Elżbieta Katarzyna - PO

PORĘBA , Tomasz Piotr - PiS

SONIK , Bogusław Andrzej - PO

KOWAL , Paweł Robert - PiS

ORMANIEC , Marian - PSL

RAKOCZY , Stanisław - PSL

JAZ£OWIECKA , Danuta - PO

MACHALICA, Krzysztof Edward - PO

RAFALSKA , Elżbieta - PiS
Salomon   
9 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

sjam

As to post WWII reality :

Poland was the first item on the Soviet agenda; Stalin stated the Soviet case:“ For the Russian people, the question of Poland is not only a question of honor but also a question of security. Throughout history, Poland has been the corridor through which the enemy has passed into Russia. Twice in the last thirty years our enemies, the Germans, have passed through this corridor. It is in Russia’s interest that Poland should be strong and powerful, in a position to shut the door of this corridor by her own force…It is necessary that Poland should be free, independent in power. Therefore, it is not only a question of honor but of life and death for the Soviet state. ”

Accordingly, Stalin stipulated that Polish government-in-exile demands were not negotiable: the Soviet Union would keep the territory of eastern Poland they had already annexed in 1939, and Poland was to be compensated for that by extending its Western borders at the expense of Germany. Stalin promised free elections in Poland despite the recently-installed by him Communist puppet government in liberated by the Red Army Polish territories. However the Western Powers soon realized that Stalin would not honor his free elections promise. The fraudulent Polish elections, held in January 16, 1947 resulted in Poland's official transformation to undemocratic communist state by 1949.

Poland had nothing to say ... and leaders of supported by majority anti -Nazi underground were in prisons or were executed.

What is more it is interesting that Sjam legitiamtes one Polish puppet comunist goverment actions and claims to be illigal others...
Salomon   
9 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

As to German and WWII ... they had very interesting aim : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

After the war, under the "Big Plan", GPO foresaw the eventual expulsion of more than 50 million non-Germanized Slavs of Eastern Europe through forced migration, as well as some of the Balts (especially almost all of Lithuanians) through "voluntary" migration, beyond the Ural Mountains and into Siberia. In their place, up to 8-10 million Germans would be settled in an extended "living space" (Lebensraum) of the 1000-Year Empire (Tausendjähriges Reich).

In 1941 it was decided to destroy the Polish nation completely and the German leadership decided that in 10 to 20 years the Polish state under German occupation was to be fully cleared of any ethnic Poles

Germans knew this plans it was bestseller in pre WWII Germany long before his peak of power : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf
Salomon   
9 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

No sjam it is the Germans who payed money for wrong country. I am debating now about German compensations. Money should have been paid staright to Poland. It was compensation for Poland not for Soviet Union. It is good that thay haven't payed it for North Korea. LOL

Issue with Russia and other countries is much different subject.
Salomon   
9 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

They paid money for the correct country.

Why Soviet Union was Correct country ? Not Poland... using your logic they should pay compensatons for Vatican as long as majority of Poles are Catholic ... but why Soviets ?
Salomon   
9 Jun 2009
News / Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored? [428]

Poland was a very new member and millions of EU support was and is going there way and at the first, best opportunity they showed the "old Europe"

With Spain Italy ...and many other countries... but I agree that it was wrong decision.

Anny way Poland should be closer to Russians than Germans are ...

What is more Germans have tendency to point on other countries and measure their europeaness... It is old tradition and I wouldn't care to much about it. Soon after Poland being not enought German ekhmmm I wated to say European ... there can be France being not enought German ... sory I wanted to say European ... or Italy ...

everything depends form actual German need and whose voice in their opinion should be less important.

I wouldn't care to much about it.
Salomon   
9 Jun 2009
News / Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored? [428]

Poland this year will become 6th the biggest economy in EU. Polish role is bigger and bigger and will be bigger.

Bratwurst accept reality.

As to the money EU earned huge money on Polish market. No merci here.... as to Germans only Germans and Austrians haven't opened market for Polish workers .... so as to Bratwurst opinons ... nothing new.

I
Salomon   
9 Jun 2009
News / Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored? [428]

And where was polish "self-interest" as they couldn't wait to join the Bushies in some adventure in some god forsaken country???

I haven't heard such arumentation for Spanish, Italian or British people who joined this crusaide.
Salomon   
9 Jun 2009
News / Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored? [428]

I don't understand how Germany can talk about anny common line when they create Nord Stream.

Anny way. Irak was mistake... for much different reasons. Poland believed in american proves when it came to WMD ... and they were false (from the begining).
Salomon   
9 Jun 2009
News / Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored? [428]

What? You want to be cozy with Russia and we want good business with them.What's your problem??? :)(At least the Russians didn't ask Germans to join them in Chechnia or Georgia for some game of paintball)

Europe is weak and other power which uses its members to prove its weakness is Russia. There is no doubt why this part of europe looks on USA when it comes to security...

Germany alone is just regional power.
Salomon   
9 Jun 2009
News / Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored? [428]

No, it was the US under Bush.He showed how easy it was to crack the EU and bribe some members to do as THEY want, wasn't it...Now that Obama actually laid the missile shield on ice but there is no doubt that Poland would have let the US did build that thing on their soil too...Any organization is only so strong as it's weakest link Lukasz, and that is not Germany!

First off all Poland wasn't bribed. It was rather help like ... "our frends need help !"

Secndly Poland is one of the most pro-EU countries so it is not bad will.

Last point is that Nord Stream isn't project which brings trust and understanding in region.