Ironside
3 May 2009
UK, Ireland / POLES SUPERIOR TO BRITS? [260]
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Ironside
3 May 2009
History / Taras Bulba - the movie [115]
Can you?
Have you ever heard about action and reaction?
Zajac said that if someone lost all family in the vicius barbarian action committed by Ukrainian peasants then his action can be explained.
You however are implying that they olso had some reasons and equal it with Polish reaction to the massacers.
Where there some innocent people killed by Poles? Possibly but not many, Poles werent murdering everything that moved.
You on the other hand are unable to understand much in any language.
I wish you Nathan all the best in your simple existence, your words on this forum done much harm to the ukrainian cause.
In 1930s territory we were talking about was Polish, yet another example of your unability to provide logical argument you simpleton.
Anyway those prewar terrytories should belong to Poland!
Are looking for charity?Its seems to me that so far, you have been taken good care off, dont forget about your medications,though.
Can you read, professor Ironside? Zajac defends Polish actions because he says the murders commited on innocent people by Polish were less murderous since they were retaliation of Ukrainian actions. That's all I wanted to say and I don't agree with prosecutor Zajac here.
Can you?
Have you ever heard about action and reaction?
Zajac said that if someone lost all family in the vicius barbarian action committed by Ukrainian peasants then his action can be explained.
You however are implying that they olso had some reasons and equal it with Polish reaction to the massacers.
Where there some innocent people killed by Poles? Possibly but not many, Poles werent murdering everything that moved.
I wish you, Ironside, could enjoy better proficiency in English to understand what I am saying.
You on the other hand are unable to understand much in any language.
I wish you Nathan all the best in your simple existence, your words on this forum done much harm to the ukrainian cause.
Well, it is our territory and no one is going to move anywhere. We are not guests, we are propriators, Ironside, don't forget.
In 1930s territory we were talking about was Polish, yet another example of your unability to provide logical argument you simpleton.
Anyway those prewar terrytories should belong to Poland!
What about the good of insane people, why don't you think of them? How will you protect that category?
Are looking for charity?Its seems to me that so far, you have been taken good care off, dont forget about your medications,though.
Ironside
3 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
Talking to this Nathan character is pointless.
I dont really care what he want to feel connection to cossacks, Russians or martians but one issue should be clear that territory which belonged to Poland before the war should belong to Poland!
HM
Talking to this Nathan character is pointless.
I dont really care what he want to feel connection to cossacks, Russians or martians but one issue should be clear that territory which belonged to Poland before the war should belong to Poland!
Ironside
3 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
Its what I was hoping for ... but after so many insults....and your hatred and chav attitude I don care...maybe if you say sorry ....but somehow I doubt that lol
Its what I was hoping for ... but after so many insults....and your hatred and chav attitude I don care...maybe if you say sorry ....but somehow I doubt that lol
Ironside
3 May 2009
History / Taras Bulba - the movie [115]
Germany?
Bull!!! from 1360?
No they had haters like you to said it!
No I propose to separated right from wrong
Germans too lost many people innocent as well but nobody in his right mind is trying to equal it with the victims of the IIIR.
Two last quotes explain everything. Germany as well should belong to Poland ;0
Germany?
Occupied by Poland, nothing else.
Bull!!! from 1360?
No, they just woke up one early morning and said: why don't we go and kill some humans for no reason whatsoever.
No they had haters like you to said it!
So you propose to calculate liters of blood on each side here?
No I propose to separated right from wrong
Germans too lost many people innocent as well but nobody in his right mind is trying to equal it with the victims of the IIIR.
Ironside
4 May 2009
UK, Ireland / Poles flee N. Irleand homes after World Cup riots [70]
No idea!
I guess some people never heard about NI before they moved in!
So why move to an orange area of belfast fer feck sake then?
No idea!
I guess some people never heard about NI before they moved in!
Ironside
4 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
What western ukraine? maps pls
Cossacks have nothing to do with western Ukraine.
What western ukraine? maps pls
Ironside
4 May 2009
UK, Ireland / Poles flee N. Irleand homes after World Cup riots [70]
You are being optimistic, I thing most of the people coming to NI were totaly cluless!
isthatu2
You are being optimistic, I thing most of the people coming to NI were totaly cluless!
Ironside
4 May 2009
History / Taras Bulba - the movie [115]
Read my post above about cossacks.:)
That's nosense, terrytory we talking about should belong to Poland and never was part of ukraine in anysense.
I doubt it very much that you understand me, dont flatter yourself I don't hate you....
You are tough, but we are tougher :) Nobody messes with Ukrainian Cossacks :)
Read my post above about cossacks.:)
Because Germans fought on the foreign lands. The same pertains to Polish.
That's nosense, terrytory we talking about should belong to Poland and never was part of ukraine in anysense.
Likewise Polish had haters, so I see we understand each other.
I doubt it very much that you understand me, dont flatter yourself I don't hate you....
Ironside
4 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
1. What is that WesternUkraineyou keep talking about?
2. There is Ukraine proper and polish terrytories stolen by Stalin which are today part od ukrainian state!
3.In the later there is grup of people which are calling themself urainians but which differ from Ukrainians mentaly, have different religion and history.
In 1918 they atempted to bulid separate state!
Well, Poland can support Ukraine proper if they ask for help but there is always price.
The present government in Poland is rubbish and could't find it's ass whithout a map!
The real face of the Ukraine is in Kiev not Lwów or Canada.
Lets open the eyes and see the true face of Ukrainie ...
1. What is that WesternUkraineyou keep talking about?
2. There is Ukraine proper and polish terrytories stolen by Stalin which are today part od ukrainian state!
3.In the later there is grup of people which are calling themself urainians but which differ from Ukrainians mentaly, have different religion and history.
In 1918 they atempted to bulid separate state!
NOTHING CHANGED THERE. If they want some support they should aks the Germans for help. Not Poland.
Well, Poland can support Ukraine proper if they ask for help but there is always price.
The present government in Poland is rubbish and could't find it's ass whithout a map!
The real face of the Ukraine is in Kiev not Lwów or Canada.
Ironside
4 May 2009
History / Taras Bulba - the movie [115]
Fine with me!
You stared name calling and insults but let put it behind and let's talk sense!
Present borders between Ukraine and Poland were Stalin's doing, that's the fact!
You say borders are untouchable because they are in your benefit.
You could't have hoped to gain those borders without being part of the Soviet Union.
So let's talk, I know is therory and all but let's talk honestly without bull.
It's only border dispute nothing else as I don't contest existence of the ukrainian nation and it's right to have independent state - and never had!
Fine with me!
You stared name calling and insults but let put it behind and let's talk sense!
Present borders between Ukraine and Poland were Stalin's doing, that's the fact!
You say borders are untouchable because they are in your benefit.
You could't have hoped to gain those borders without being part of the Soviet Union.
So let's talk, I know is therory and all but let's talk honestly without bull.
It's only border dispute nothing else as I don't contest existence of the ukrainian nation and it's right to have independent state - and never had!
Ironside
4 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
If you want to say something just say it Mr:)
As happens I know a lot about terrytories behind border, I hve poperty there which someone else has, as for Kiev I dont care for it's all just talk!!
Government should know and should be careful as they geting many for it!
So don't seem to know much about Ukrainian affairs Mr:). Find another hobby.
If you want to say something just say it Mr:)
As happens I know a lot about terrytories behind border, I hve poperty there which someone else has, as for Kiev I dont care for it's all just talk!!
Government should know and should be careful as they geting many for it!
Ironside
4 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
What do you mean?
And?
You better had talked with the Germans!
What do you mean?
Manipulated and supported by Warsaw!
And?
Ironside
4 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
Thats no true they were protected by international treaty.
What uprisings? In silesian uprising in the first place there were majorty of the local population kin on joning Poland - with a little help of the friends.
anyways Germany supported ukrainian terrorist organizations and trained germans living in Poland to act as a support for German Army and to sabotage Polish defences.
I guess it's clean ....
As for talks - what about ?
Poland did anything to antagonize relationships and treated their "new" Germans they got because of the new borders badly.
Thats no true they were protected by international treaty.
Instead of financing and supporting "uprisings" Warsaw should have held talks with the Germans.
What uprisings? In silesian uprising in the first place there were majorty of the local population kin on joning Poland - with a little help of the friends.
anyways Germany supported ukrainian terrorist organizations and trained germans living in Poland to act as a support for German Army and to sabotage Polish defences.
I guess it's clean ....
As for talks - what about ?
Ironside
4 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
Well, there were talks ..... Did Hitler asked for Poland to attack Soviets? All it just me...
any links?
For cleaning up the situation between us? Border adjustments, resettlements both of us could live with? Anything would had been better than antagonizing and mocking an angry, armed to the teeth neighbour, wouldn't it...
Well, there were talks ..... Did Hitler asked for Poland to attack Soviets? All it just me...
Puuuuleeeeeeze...read up about that!
any links?
Ironside
4 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
If you mean that brute force is stronger then morals and right I agree with you.
But if you mean that Germans are so wise then look who lost...
You Germans lost all the wars in the last centurys and You speaking about big mouth?
look up Hitler speeches
Poland would have been gobbled up by either one, so or so, being the marching ground of the Wehrmacht and the red Army! The polish mouth always bigger than anything else!
If you mean that brute force is stronger then morals and right I agree with you.
But if you mean that Germans are so wise then look who lost...
You Germans lost all the wars in the last centurys and You speaking about big mouth?
look up Hitler speeches
Ironside
4 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
Ah is that right?
And we fighted against you and Soviets one of the future superpower at the same time, after only 20years of the independent Poland.
So, losing is losing no matter what...
Well, whats wrong with border before the war? Could you elaborate?
We fighted against the biggest alliance the world has ever seen, it needed all of them and took them 6 years after Germany conquered nearly all of Europe.
Ah is that right?
And we fighted against you and Soviets one of the future superpower at the same time, after only 20years of the independent Poland.
So, losing is losing no matter what...
The case with the Germans in Poland after Versailles.
Well, whats wrong with border before the war? Could you elaborate?
Ironside
4 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
From 1939 to 1941 Soviets were your allies, don't you know?
Hey you lost me, are you asking IIww was good for Poland?
No, it wasn't ....
Well, you started the all thing.....
And here I thought they were your allies....
From 1939 to 1941 Soviets were your allies, don't you know?
Remember, it's not only the polish dead...many millions more, a devastated continent....all for some petty revenge and border changing...was it worth it?
Hey you lost me, are you asking IIww was good for Poland?
No, it wasn't ....
Well, you started the all thing.....
Ironside
5 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
Well, demands were made by Germany to country C...... rings any bells and when they agreed they were run over by Germany.
Dazing - fine , plebiscite - fine , evacuation by Polish authorities - no way, you could have observers,
Demobilise armies? What's about Hitlers plan to settle issues with France and Soviets?
I mean if it would have been proposition in good faith then it wasn't worth it!
But at the time there were no trust with good reasons.
Well, demands were made by Germany to country C...... rings any bells and when they agreed they were run over by Germany.
Dazing - fine , plebiscite - fine , evacuation by Polish authorities - no way, you could have observers,
Demobilise armies? What's about Hitlers plan to settle issues with France and Soviets?
I mean if it would have been proposition in good faith then it wasn't worth it!
But at the time there were no trust with good reasons.
Ironside
5 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
This treaty wasn't fair for Germany!
But border with Poland wasn't bad
I mean look up maps from before 1772 and compare them with map from 1936, one has to draw the line somewhere!
All in all in my opinion only Danzing were sore issue!
But this treaty brought Hitler to the top in the first place...without it he would just had stayed on the fringe of german politics where he belonged!
This treaty wasn't fair for Germany!
But border with Poland wasn't bad
I mean look up maps from before 1772 and compare them with map from 1936, one has to draw the line somewhere!
All in all in my opinion only Danzing were sore issue!
Ironside
5 May 2009
News / Is Poland ready for the swine fever stuff? [59]
Well, we have swines with fever all the time - politicians!
Well, we have swines with fever all the time - politicians!
Ironside
5 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
What do I want? On this thread nothing, it's only talk.
I simply wanted to learn how you think.
You claim to speak for Ukraine yet you live in Canada in the land where after IIww many ukrainian war criminals run away to. Among them were haters which stirret up simple people to commit barbaric atrocitys and prepetrators as well. So I advice you to be carefull from whom you are learning your history.
You are try to justify ethnic cleasining done by your compatriots talking about some injustes your people expirenced from Poles.
You try equal it with thoses massacers it only an idiot or total filth, you spreadng chuav filth all overe this forum and yet you think yourself sane.
You cannot provide single argument only links but you keep ranting for pages with what seems to be diarrhea of the mind.
Land we talked about since middle ages belongs to Poland and was part of the Crown you cannot put it aside, you could claim as well that Provance should not be part of France - good luck!
I belive that after deeds of the part of local population which feel themselfs to be ukrainian it would not be just to grant them land where blood of their innocent victisms sank.
Well, in Moscow was the same family, dynasty, in Kiev later was Lithuanian dynasty, and there was no much continuity but who can tell.
One matter is certain though, whitout imigration from Kingdom of Poland there had been nothing much - almost empty land.
Well, there two sides and I think Hitler wasn't that peacefull at heart!
What do I want? On this thread nothing, it's only talk.
I simply wanted to learn how you think.
You claim to speak for Ukraine yet you live in Canada in the land where after IIww many ukrainian war criminals run away to. Among them were haters which stirret up simple people to commit barbaric atrocitys and prepetrators as well. So I advice you to be carefull from whom you are learning your history.
You are try to justify ethnic cleasining done by your compatriots talking about some injustes your people expirenced from Poles.
You try equal it with thoses massacers it only an idiot or total filth, you spreadng chuav filth all overe this forum and yet you think yourself sane.
You cannot provide single argument only links but you keep ranting for pages with what seems to be diarrhea of the mind.
Land we talked about since middle ages belongs to Poland and was part of the Crown you cannot put it aside, you could claim as well that Provance should not be part of France - good luck!
I belive that after deeds of the part of local population which feel themselfs to be ukrainian it would not be just to grant them land where blood of their innocent victisms sank.
Hmm, what about Bolesław Chrobry who captured Kiev Rus in 1018? Were Kievan Russes of Ukrainian or Russian nationality? Today both Russians and Ukrainians claim that Kiev Rus was their ancestry.
Well, in Moscow was the same family, dynasty, in Kiev later was Lithuanian dynasty, and there was no much continuity but who can tell.
One matter is certain though, whitout imigration from Kingdom of Poland there had been nothing much - almost empty land.
Friends could have talked that over probably...enemies not.
Well, there two sides and I think Hitler wasn't that peacefull at heart!
Ironside
6 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
[quote=Nathan]
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You won't acknowledge the true, I don't care, keep your myths and your chauvinistic belives and go back to sleep.
Everyone can see you for what you are ... everything you said and all....
How old are you?
Because if someone speak as an immanture child it is you Nathan - you too, you too.... shove it up your arse you prat.
Im done, no more that pointless thread.
Good night!
[quote=Nathan]
[/quote
You won't acknowledge the true, I don't care, keep your myths and your chauvinistic belives and go back to sleep.
Everyone can see you for what you are ... everything you said and all....
How old are you?
Because if someone speak as an immanture child it is you Nathan - you too, you too.... shove it up your arse you prat.
Im done, no more that pointless thread.
Good night!
Ironside
6 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
Whats the point ? You will say NO the Ukraine was there always even in Babylon 1200BC there was an ukrainian king Nathanbuzor!
Or you will start you too, you too..... check your own family for war criminals first!
You understand nothing so all that is pointless!
Thats all no more from me.
Whats the point ? You will say NO the Ukraine was there always even in Babylon 1200BC there was an ukrainian king Nathanbuzor!
Or you will start you too, you too..... check your own family for war criminals first!
You understand nothing so all that is pointless!
Thats all no more from me.
Ironside
6 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
You are confused as many people in Poland - What has to do with western border, do you thing that Germans will pity us and will not take back if oportunity arise?
This little map of yours you can ....... is incorrect as I was talking borders from 1939.
Anyways I was talking about terrtories which belong to the Ukraine now.
And naturally, new acquisitions in the West at the cost of Germany should be kept by Poland as well.
You are confused as many people in Poland - What has to do with western border, do you thing that Germans will pity us and will not take back if oportunity arise?
This little map of yours you can ....... is incorrect as I was talking borders from 1939.
Anyways I was talking about terrtories which belong to the Ukraine now.
Ironside
6 May 2009
News / Searching for keys in Polish-Russian relations [75]
I doubt it politicians in Poland are hopless lot, there are first with obfuscation and last to do something they are paid for to do it!
I hope that it will be fruitful mission.
I doubt it politicians in Poland are hopless lot, there are first with obfuscation and last to do something they are paid for to do it!
Ironside
6 May 2009
History / An apology to Poland from Australia [55]
In my humble opinion Australia should offer an apology to Poland because of you Harry.
They medical care is rubbish as they let the dangerus lunatic out !
In my humble opinion Australia should offer an apology to Poland because of you Harry.
They medical care is rubbish as they let the dangerus lunatic out !
Ironside
6 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
Where did you find this rubbish? In the UPA booklets "Why Poles are our enemy" or NKVD leaflet "kill pany"?
Because it was part of the Crown and border issue wasn't settlet between Ukraine and Poland but by the arbitrary decision of the one man, Stalin.
What kind of psychobubble is that ?
I can see that you are deeply confused man pawian.
First of all what ukraine, then were and when, and last whats your point.
I can see you are very deep thinker but surely you cannot expect simple mind like myself to understand would care to explain.
You compare Germans and 120years of their rule mainly in the XIX century and 20 years of polish rule in the eastern malopolska.
Well, why not, Poland could surrender after 1 hour and then Germany could build and develop infrastructure in Poland.)0)
What war all Im saying is that Germans want their land back and because as you put it nicely they bulit .......and so on, )Im sure they also printed books you were reading about useless and lazy Poles.
Because we are talking about prewar borders and because contrary to some I recognise existance of the ukrainian nation and polish rights do not extand to all the terrytory of the present ukrainian state.
Blah ablah .............
Do I propose to destroy Ukraine?NO!
Better to be political baby then old fool.
It's all about interest, so Poles should look after their interest and Ukrainian after theirs and if they want polish assistens they should courting us.
Right now, there is some who want to be part of Russia, some who don't care and some who want independent country - let them sort it out by themselfs!
Are you ? After your last post I have my doubts !
Well, what do you know...define civilian!
Do you know that:
youtube.com/watch?v=enVnQgCx5FY
Were are you from?
Secondly, if they can`t govern themselves, it means that Polish pany didn`t teach them that. The only thing Ukrainians were expected by Poles was to labour in the fields, not to participate in governments.
Where did you find this rubbish? In the UPA booklets "Why Poles are our enemy" or NKVD leaflet "kill pany"?
For what reason should they belong to Poland?
Because it was part of the Crown and border issue wasn't settlet between Ukraine and Poland but by the arbitrary decision of the one man, Stalin.
Look honestly at Polish achievements in Ukraine - what are they? Pure exploitation of peasants, that`s all. And don`t tell me about Lvov because it was a multicultural and multiethnic city - there were many minorities which contributed to its greatness. Poles did too but they weren`t alone.
What kind of psychobubble is that ?
I can see that you are deeply confused man pawian.
First of all what ukraine, then were and when, and last whats your point.
OK, even if you persist in taking Lvov as an example of Polish great work in the East, what else? Nothing. Look at Germans and what they did in their partition zone which is in Poland today - they built and developed infrastructure, railways, roads, facilities, cities, which stand till today and are used by Poles in 21 century.
I can see you are very deep thinker but surely you cannot expect simple mind like myself to understand would care to explain.
You compare Germans and 120years of their rule mainly in the XIX century and 20 years of polish rule in the eastern malopolska.
Hey, man, what are you talking about? Are you talking about war with Germany??? :):):)
Well, why not, Poland could surrender after 1 hour and then Germany could build and develop infrastructure in Poland.)0)
What war all Im saying is that Germans want their land back and because as you put it nicely they bulit .......and so on, )Im sure they also printed books you were reading about useless and lazy Poles.
But why do you limit your demands to Ukraine only? Why not take all lands which once were under Polish Lithuanian rule? Especially those in today`s Russia, and the Baltics and Belarus. And keep the ex-German lands too? Don`t you think it would be great to have Great Poland?
Because we are talking about prewar borders and because contrary to some I recognise existance of the ukrainian nation and polish rights do not extand to all the terrytory of the present ukrainian state.
And I provided such a map because there aren`t any other available. Luckily ... :):):) it means most Poles are fairly reasonable and they realise that Ukraine seperates us from Russia which has always been an imperial state with a tendency to spread its borders and influence. Russian average people are great, I love them, but Russian elites have never stopped their desire to revive the old empire, once tsarist, later Soviet. Today it is oligarchic crippled empire but the Russian dream of greatness is still lively.
Blah ablah .............
Do I propose to destroy Ukraine?NO!
That is why Ukraine must remain independent, it is a Polish strategic interest. Poles should do everything to help Ukrainians. Anybody who doesn`t understand it is a political baby. :):):):)
Better to be political baby then old fool.
It's all about interest, so Poles should look after their interest and Ukrainian after theirs and if they want polish assistens they should courting us.
Right now, there is some who want to be part of Russia, some who don't care and some who want independent country - let them sort it out by themselfs!
PS. Ironside, last question. You are not Polish, are you? :):):)
Are you ? After your last post I have my doubts !
Like I said There also Kilings Ukrainians civilins by Polish AK and other military organizations!
Well, what do you know...define civilian!
Do you know that:
youtube.com/watch?v=enVnQgCx5FY
Were are you from?
Ironside
6 May 2009
News / Searching for keys in Polish-Russian relations [75]
You are naive, well it's not a crime.
Some are, Sikorski is not the guy is actually quite competent and unlike some *hint* Kaczyńscy, is ready to shelve his anti-russian sentiments so we could talk like people.
You are naive, well it's not a crime.
Ironside
7 May 2009
News / Searching for keys in Polish-Russian relations [75]
Do you think that he can do anything even if he is all you think him to be?
Do you think that he can do anything even if he is all you think him to be?