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Ironside   
28 Apr 2009
UK, Ireland / POLES SUPERIOR TO BRITS? [260]

Name Ukraine is used already in the Primary Chronicle of 1187 mentioning the death of knyazya Volodymyra z Pereyaslawa. I don't know what is considered the Middle Ages in Poland, but it is accepted that this period comprises 5th-16th centuries.

any links?

Ukrainians are Ukrainians and I don't divide them in east and west. And as well I don't see that big of a difference that will be able to make difference to my thoughts on this forum. Moreover, I don't see the relevance of your question. I don't ask you whether you are from Bialystok or Wroclaw, right?

Could you answer my question? Are you hiding something?

So according to you Germans and Italians started to exist in 19th century?

thats right , as a modern nations - states.

Could you explain the difference here, please?! Agendas? So Germany as a political idea began its existance in 1812 and Ukraine in 1848, so what is your point? Nations existed before states were formed. According to you Bach was French then and Mazepa was Swiss. Cool. And Copernicus?

My point is very easy to understand that before 1848 there wasnt any ukrainian nation at all.
No always nations existed before states were formed sometimes there were state before nations.
Bach was saxon from Saxony.
Mazepa? Jan Kolodynski? according to the times he lived he was a Pole.
I can acknowledge that he was Ruthenian but he wasnt ukrainian.
Copernicus was subject of Polish King therefore he was polish.
Ironside   
28 Apr 2009
UK, Ireland / POLES SUPERIOR TO BRITS? [260]

Why does it say that he was a German composer and not Saxon, hm?

Because today Saxony is part of Germany - simple.
Someone from Burgundy nowdays is considered French but in the past he was Burgundian.

You can acknowledge whatever you want and say it to your kids and friends.

Well, I take it back then, he was a Pole.

You have no idea what a nation is. Nation is a body of people who share a common history, culture or ethnic origin who typically inhabit a certain territory.

Oh, I know theory better then you but because it is theory I dont buy it.

As for "ukraine" is only one word in 1187 and is no sufficient to prove anything.
More likely it inffered from word u kraja - at the edge in the 16th century.
Ironside   
28 Apr 2009
UK, Ireland / POLES SUPERIOR TO BRITS? [260]

Like Poland meant "polia" - fields and doesn't prove anything. How many "words" was Poland in the 12th century? I don't prove anything to you. I live and love my country and don't need to prove anything. If I was on the field before you like my anscestors 400 years ago I would do the same - moon my ass to your phalanges and laugh it off. You are like people who surrounded Copernicus in 15th century and couldn't understand the solar system - you need 200 years to realize what is really going on. Arrogance and blind stubborness are some bad characters.

It means that you cannot bulid your case on some random word - single one.
It could be many things unlike Poland in 12th century because existence of the such politcal entity is a proven fact.
You dont want to prove anything because you know Im right as to the orgin of the ukrainian name and logic also support my view.

Temper, arrogance and blind stubborness are in your character and I dont hold it against you.
Your ancestors 400 years ago could be Poles for all you know.

As for mooning your ass in front of the enemy is new national tactic or what?good luck!

Its very good that you love your country and I have never said anything against Ukraine or ukrainian nation.
Im only trying to show you that many "facts" thats you belive in are myths.
Ironside   
30 Apr 2009
UK, Ireland / POLES SUPERIOR TO BRITS? [260]

We colonised all of the above. We must be Super indeed ;0)

Are you Super? pictures pls
Ironside   
30 Apr 2009
History / Taras Bulba - the movie [115]

Not exactly or, if you want, not at all. Firstly the country was only one at that time and it was Russia. Secondly the cossacks themselves represents the population where the national verge between Russians and Ukrainians was sorta blur and in a way came to naught. They defended one country - the country where they lived.

At that time and place there was one country called Kingdom of Poland.
Secondly cossacks represented only themselves and no country would tolerate actions of the independent military organizations.
Anyone living at that time and being dissatisfied for whatever reason could allways look for protection and help to that organization - cossacks.
It has nothing to do with being Russian, Rutheanian or whoever .......
Ironside   
1 May 2009
History / Taras Bulba - the movie [115]

Ironside, you are beyond arrogance

Why?
Are you telling me that at the time there was some other state?
A bet it was ukraine, right?
Ironside   
1 May 2009
History / Taras Bulba - the movie [115]

RON - Rzeczpospolita Obojga Narodów.

It was political claim made by nobility but there was a Crown - Kingdom of Poland - and Duchy (Grand Duchy of Lithuania).
So your post is off topic as there nothing about Ukraine.
Ironside   
2 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]

Listen, Ironside. I know you are not good at all in history and I can feel in logic, but if you explain your thoughts at above-mentioned quotations with what you say about Ukraine and Ukrainians as nation as compared to French and Burgundians and Germans and Saxonians, I will appologize for saying that you lack logic, Ok? And if you avoid that, then what I felt will just be true. I will accept an answer of no-existence of all 3 mentioned nations before 1812 (as was your statement in previous #).

Im saying that all connections that you claim to be between modern day ukrainians and cossacks from the past is not as important and significant as you think.

I think that there is no continuity between 17th century cossacks and 19th century ukrainians. The fact is ukrainians are one of the youngest nations in Europe - nothing wrong with it.

You had no litertaure, no elite, no dynasty or territory you could claim as your own no before 1848 anyway - take or leave a few years.

There never existed an independent ukrainian state before 1990, so what are we talking about?
The religion used by Moscow to rule over you, or language considered to be dialect even by yourselfs before 1848.

When a grup of the educated poeple which felt themselfs to be different - no Poles and no Russians but Ukrainians - they started looking for roots and naturaly tended to view past in the light of the existence of the ukrainian nation. Assigning motivations to the facts which could be explained qiute differently.

Well, differences beween Poles and Ukrainians were there in the first place but no greater then between Saxsonians and Bavarians for example.
If history would have taken other track those differences may have seen as those between Poles and mazowians.
Predestination is a concept I dont belive in!
There is no general rule by which one can explaine everything, to talk about France and talk about Germany is a different kettle of fish.

As for Germans they had a few coutrys very much unlike Ukraine, they had elite and language common for educated people although languages used in particural germanic states were different.

Germans belived to be a family but it could be said about Poles and Ukrainians.Decisive factor in creation of the single german nation and state was a war.

As you know one of those states conquered most of the remaining states.
Do you understand my postion, now, Nathan?
Ironside   
2 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]

If Im wrong - tell me why
If not - whats your point?
Ironside   
2 May 2009
UK, Ireland / POLES SUPERIOR TO BRITS? [260]

Pearl Harbour probably would have never been bombed and,well,you can guess the rest mate as your a very bright guy :)

Your argument is based on the assumption that Hitler was going to attack Poland anyway, well for all you know his main target could have been France.

French and British guarantees simply directed Hitler against Poland and hve bought some time for western nations.
Ironside   
2 May 2009
UK, Ireland / POLES SUPERIOR TO BRITS? [260]

well, if Britan remained neutral in the first place our discussion would be pointless.
So tell me Master - Why Poland have been given guarantees?
( charity, love for Poland, goodness)
Im at lost, please help me Master!
Ironside   
2 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]

In a sense, but everyone view is welcome
Ironside   
2 May 2009
UK, Ireland / POLES SUPERIOR TO BRITS? [260]

So tell me Master - Why Poland have been given guarantees?

Mr isthatu2, Sir?
Ironside   
2 May 2009
UK, Ireland / Poles flee N. Irleand homes after World Cup riots [70]

I would like to point out to you that southern is no Polish.

Football Hooliganism is about gangs of bored boys running around playing at being soldiers..

As if those ******* give a shite about Poles or foreigners in NI.
Ironside   
2 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]

Well, Nathan you cannot insult me.
You are not able to provide - arguments - only insults, so be it.
I was hoping for interesting exchange but you have nothing to suport your view just yours belives and myths.
Which one have to swallow whole or there is nothing left.

Such chauvinistic moran like yourself are simply disgrace for the Ukrainians and their country, country you know nothing about.
I hve a news for you boyo - 1930s are over, get a life!
Ironside   
2 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]

Yet another insult, you'll never learn will you?
Ironside   
2 May 2009
UK, Ireland / POLES SUPERIOR TO BRITS? [260]

,well,lets see,because thats what governments are,a bunch of self serving double dealing belly crawlers,their only redemption being that atleast most of the time they have their own,if no others ,countries interests at heart.

I hve no problem with september 39 or 45 (though British government did not play nice with Go home policy for Poles left in UK after the war), all Im asking is:

-Why government of the United Kingdom has given guarantees to Poland?
What was the reason behind that move?

I love the discussion about the WWII (it's my favorite subject) but the question here is, are Poles superior to Brits? My clear answer to it is NO and if someone believes it is then tell me your point but don 't touch the war etc. because Brits and French not attacking Germany in September 39 doesn't make Poles superior to Brits. C'mon guys, what kinda bull is that?

Nobody is saying that I got immpression that only person here talking about superiorty was Shelly preaching that the British are Super.
So, whta yer point buster?
Ironside   
3 May 2009
UK, Ireland / POLES SUPERIOR TO BRITS? [260]

yet another clueless one
hey dannyboy why dont you read some post here? not only subject boyo?
Ironside   
3 May 2009
History / Taras Bulba - the movie [115]

What are you talking about are you totaly demented?
I know that you dont have arguments, facts to support your claims but that is too much even for such imbecile.

Nice harvesting went to gather those peasants -infants, women, old folks - they deserved to be done with as the scum of the earth.
You buster making some lame excuses, there always something in the past but is not a reason for massacres committed on innocent people.
Do you really known what consequences are - you are ******* clueless idiot- you saying that because of that massacres Im perfecly justified to kill all your family, burn house down and hang your dog!

Are you mental?consequences ? my ass !

Well, did not liked Poland because this and that - well they should move to Soviet Union to Ukraine proper!
People like you should stay in the cage for good of the sane people.
Ironside   
3 May 2009
UK, Ireland / POLES SUPERIOR TO BRITS? [260]

If the Poles were so virile, why didn't they just defeat the Russians too?

They were waiting for the Irish to finish the job!

I've a better idea Ironside, why don't you explain why Poland is superior to Britain?

I dont want to and never said that .... whoever is claiming that is an idiot
but the title of an idiot goes to the person who is claiming that Britain is superior to Poland.

I have had this conversation with many Poles, and the one common theme is that they never acknowledge the true facts, but instead twist them in order to alleviate themselves of their national shame and defer the blame to someone else.

What are the true facts ? Are you the only one who knows ? as far as I know there facts - whats a true fact boyo?

You need to read about Poland's aggressive movement post 1918 to get the full picture.

What is has to do with anything?

The Poles have a mere mention in similar terms as the French resistance.

Well, your history books are worthless, no my fault though!
As for the Soviets as the real victors of the war, yes they won!

All that above about Brits, Soviets and sold out - just read my posts!
Ironside   
3 May 2009
UK, Ireland / POLES SUPERIOR TO BRITS? [260]

What a bull. Soviets would have never won this war without our help whether you like it or not.

Whos us?

NOPE "Poles superior to Brits"

Whatever but opposite is bull as well!