Ironside
29 Dec 2009
Law / New ID 'card' in Poland [19]
maybe but I like my version better
How many ten year 'ID' cards are issued in Poland? Not many I guess so that may be why the paper version persists.
maybe but I like my version better
Ironside
29 Dec 2009
Law / New ID 'card' in Poland [19]
Who do you think paid for this little "improvement"?
les or la whats matters is bastardS :)
money, money .......
what does it have to do with tax payers?
Who do you think paid for this little "improvement"?
LES, to be exact.
les or la whats matters is bastardS :)
As for the ID, I don't know why polish government always has to make things more complicated.ALWAYS and usually with EVERYTHING.
money, money .......
Ironside
29 Dec 2009
Law / New ID 'card' in Poland [19]
well, most likely somebody made money on taxpayers expanse again and nobody gives **** about sense or reason nor some foreigners comfort - there is age of capital:P
vive la bastardS!
well, most likely somebody made money on taxpayers expanse again and nobody gives **** about sense or reason nor some foreigners comfort - there is age of capital:P
vive la bastardS!
Ironside
24 Dec 2009
News / Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored? [428]
I could not have said this myself!
My compliments !
people is such a great thing for a country with as low a birthrate as Poland's.
I could not have said this myself!
My compliments !
Ironside
23 Dec 2009
Genealogy / 2 polish corps, 21 Infantry Regiment [5]
we have similar thread here, just spend some time digging !
we have similar thread here, just spend some time digging !
Ironside
23 Dec 2009
Love / Friendship With a Polish Women [29]
Zero Cool
**** me, not again!!!!!!
I think you should become a monk or smoke more weed!
Zero Cool
**** me, not again!!!!!!
I think you should become a monk or smoke more weed!
Ironside
20 Dec 2009
UK, Ireland / Its strange that there arent many Poles who live in the UK on this Forum [102]
tell us more:)
they more agreeable - I presume that is what you are saying?
Ive got very long limbs
tell us more:)
Ive never come across this with English people who share with other people...
they more agreeable - I presume that is what you are saying?
Ironside
20 Dec 2009
UK, Ireland / Its strange that there arent many Poles who live in the UK on this Forum [102]
well, they had different expectation, anyway some people are nasty.
was scared to sit with them
well, they had different expectation, anyway some people are nasty.
Ironside
20 Dec 2009
UK, Ireland / Its strange that there arent many Poles who live in the UK on this Forum [102]
Well, I was told in German that when I come to Germany I should speak German as he is in his country and doesn't speak English and something about Englander - anyway that is gist of it!:)
Ah Don't know about Germany it was in Berlin next to The Kempinski Hotel.
and **** you too:D
Quite the opposite my dear fellow!:P
Tried to speak my very basic German (ordering beer etc) there and was nearly always answered back in English.
Well, I was told in German that when I come to Germany I should speak German as he is in his country and doesn't speak English and something about Englander - anyway that is gist of it!:)
Ah Don't know about Germany it was in Berlin next to The Kempinski Hotel.
Ironside is quite a disagreeable fellow
and **** you too:D
Quite the opposite my dear fellow!:P
Ironside
20 Dec 2009
UK, Ireland / Its strange that there arent many Poles who live in the UK on this Forum [102]
Did they speak English?
What was your relation to them?
Did you try to get along with them or you being 19 said you are not my parents -**** off, I'm only living here.
You see social interaction, dynamic is basically two ways track.
I'm not justifying their behavior in anyway but "normal" people can start acting "funny" for a reason and "reason" could be as simple as misunderstanding of intension and/or expectations.
ha ha like what?
Did they speak English?
What was your relation to them?
Did you try to get along with them or you being 19 said you are not my parents -**** off, I'm only living here.
You see social interaction, dynamic is basically two ways track.
I'm not justifying their behavior in anyway but "normal" people can start acting "funny" for a reason and "reason" could be as simple as misunderstanding of intension and/or expectations.
Ironside
20 Dec 2009
UK, Ireland / Its strange that there arent many Poles who live in the UK on this Forum [102]
you should try speak English in Berlin!
close enough :)
u cant survive in this world without speaking english(atleast basics) nobody
you should try speak English in Berlin!
Is the second word 'witch', Ironside?
close enough :)
Ironside
20 Dec 2009
UK, Ireland / Its strange that there arent many Poles who live in the UK on this Forum [102]
I think there is more to it that you let us know.
what is to you? jealous? ******* w****!
when i first moved here, the Polish people i lived with basically denied me the right to hang out with English people, because us Poles are supposed to stick together
I think there is more to it that you let us know.
breed as hell
what is to you? jealous? ******* w****!
Ironside
1 Dec 2009
History / History of the crime ; Bandera, UPA and Podole Polish land. [116]
will you stop spread rubbish on my thread which has nothing to do with the tread subject.
stop goading that nazi freak Nathan for sanity sake .....
the same goes for you Torq
where is adm / random?
Also in the name of good mutual relations you're getting invaded
will you stop spread rubbish on my thread which has nothing to do with the tread subject.
stop goading that nazi freak Nathan for sanity sake .....
the same goes for you Torq
where is adm / random?
Ironside
1 Dec 2009
History / The Poms who stood by the Poles in WW2 [156]
What facts ? that there was no Polish nationals in German army?and I'm not talking about citizenship.
What facts ? that there was no Polish nationals in German army?and I'm not talking about citizenship.
Ironside
1 Dec 2009
History / The Poms who stood by the Poles in WW2 [156]
stop banging its no good for you......
start thinking ,,,,
bangs head repeatedly against PF wall*
stop banging its no good for you......
start thinking ,,,,
Ironside
1 Dec 2009
History / History of the crime ; Bandera, UPA and Podole Polish land. [116]
Always BS !
Who cares? They can have Ukrainian lands but why oh why they impose themselves on Polish territories - Lwów, Podole and part of Wolyn.
well, maybe they should ask Goths as well, you are ridiculous.
Thats what I was trying to tell you all along.
Poles may sound nationalistic, unable to self-criticism when in fact most of it is defensive attitude in discussion with foreigners.
In fact I have noticed same attitude in some Brits on PF when they jump on shadows "defending" their country.
In fact Seanus attitude displayed by your student is not that rare or exclusive.
In 1890 in Krakow in the society of historians developed trend, in short they most of the blame for Poland misfortunes and disasters ascribed to the shortcomings and failures of the Poles.
In communist Poland this trend become travesty of itself and any actions of Poles as independent and proud nation were ridiculed.
Poland should become depended colony of others as Poles were and are unable to govern themselves.
Your student is a fool, ask her about her background for communist party or communist security forces in her family.
Its only solution for Poland to remain independent country, being medicate is no good as there Russia and Germany.
Poles are always trying to expand,
Always BS !
Then dont, the Ukrainian national identity was developing in the 19th century
Who cares? They can have Ukrainian lands but why oh why they impose themselves on Polish territories - Lwów, Podole and part of Wolyn.
ery true. But this board does not like facts too much LOL
well, maybe they should ask Goths as well, you are ridiculous.
I was talking to my student, whose name will remain anonymous, and she told me that Poland got its comeuppance in WWII. I couldn't believe what I was hearing.
Thats what I was trying to tell you all along.
Poles may sound nationalistic, unable to self-criticism when in fact most of it is defensive attitude in discussion with foreigners.
In fact I have noticed same attitude in some Brits on PF when they jump on shadows "defending" their country.
In fact Seanus attitude displayed by your student is not that rare or exclusive.
In 1890 in Krakow in the society of historians developed trend, in short they most of the blame for Poland misfortunes and disasters ascribed to the shortcomings and failures of the Poles.
In communist Poland this trend become travesty of itself and any actions of Poles as independent and proud nation were ridiculed.
Poland should become depended colony of others as Poles were and are unable to govern themselves.
Your student is a fool, ask her about her background for communist party or communist security forces in her family.
Poland talking about an empire isn't advisable.
Its only solution for Poland to remain independent country, being medicate is no good as there Russia and Germany.
Ironside
30 Nov 2009
History / The Poms who stood by the Poles in WW2 [156]
No, but it wasn't invective as you assumed :P
I-S (anything else?)
No, but it wasn't invective as you assumed :P
I-S (anything else?)
Ironside
30 Nov 2009
History / The Poms who stood by the Poles in WW2 [156]
**** BB everything whats real is murky, we haven't been talking about Poles living in Germany and having German citizenship - thats quite murky area!
As for ethical Poles? I don't know how, look for it yourself in German sources,
One reason comes to mind - Poles on the territories incorporated into Germany in 1939 before 1918 were German citizens, and before them their parents and grandparents, sometimes for many generation, maybe it had something to do with it and a fact that Germans governors were allowed to adjust a bit general policy on the territories govern by them?
latency of Polish government it the fact and some commentary about attitude of Polish soldiers towards Poles in German uniform weren't so one sided and simple as some American seems to believe, as a example: my grandpa, an officer in Army "Poznan" which kicked some German asses,taken as a POW by Germans in 1939, was treated by Germans front line troops very good, corporal said to him Soldad ist ein Soldad - or something like that.
And as you well know general attitude towards Poles, soldiers or not wasn't that nice!
So, I wouldn't jump to conclusions about the way Poles were treating Poles in German uniforms based on one testimony even if that guy believed it.
Well, I just find it hard to think where ethnical Poles got their Ariernachweis
**** BB everything whats real is murky, we haven't been talking about Poles living in Germany and having German citizenship - thats quite murky area!
As for ethical Poles? I don't know how, look for it yourself in German sources,
One reason comes to mind - Poles on the territories incorporated into Germany in 1939 before 1918 were German citizens, and before them their parents and grandparents, sometimes for many generation, maybe it had something to do with it and a fact that Germans governors were allowed to adjust a bit general policy on the territories govern by them?
latency of Polish government it the fact and some commentary about attitude of Polish soldiers towards Poles in German uniform weren't so one sided and simple as some American seems to believe, as a example: my grandpa, an officer in Army "Poznan" which kicked some German asses,taken as a POW by Germans in 1939, was treated by Germans front line troops very good, corporal said to him Soldad ist ein Soldad - or something like that.
And as you well know general attitude towards Poles, soldiers or not wasn't that nice!
So, I wouldn't jump to conclusions about the way Poles were treating Poles in German uniforms based on one testimony even if that guy believed it.
Ironside
30 Nov 2009
History / History of the crime ; Bandera, UPA and Podole Polish land. [116]
you misunderstood me.
I mean would you said that German had a right to have grudge against Jews?
For me above statement is logical conclusion of your ridiculous statement in contexts of Ukrainians and Poles.
Its so stupid that I lack vocabulary to describe it and don't want resort to invectives.
Would you consider some time off to think about what you said, and I mean really think!!!
I-S (GEE!)
Germans - no. Germans in Poland were treated just the same if not better than Poles in Germany.
you misunderstood me.
I mean would you said that German had a right to have grudge against Jews?
For me above statement is logical conclusion of your ridiculous statement in contexts of Ukrainians and Poles.
Its so stupid that I lack vocabulary to describe it and don't want resort to invectives.
Would you consider some time off to think about what you said, and I mean really think!!!
I-S (GEE!)
Ironside
30 Nov 2009
History / The Poms who stood by the Poles in WW2 [156]
thats the fact BB, people on the territories incorporated into III Reich after 1939 if given a choice signing Volkliste were given green light to do so by Polish government for humanitarian reason.
Later it produced phenomena of "German" citizen conscripted into German army and I'm not talking about those German citizens before 1939 but ethnically Polish.
Do you copy now?
I really doubt the graciousness of the polish gov in exile in that regard.
thats the fact BB, people on the territories incorporated into III Reich after 1939 if given a choice signing Volkliste were given green light to do so by Polish government for humanitarian reason.
Later it produced phenomena of "German" citizen conscripted into German army and I'm not talking about those German citizens before 1939 but ethnically Polish.
Do you copy now?
Ironside
29 Nov 2009
History / History of the crime ; Bandera, UPA and Podole Polish land. [116]
Really? what would that be ?
Would you said the same thing about Germans and Jews ?
I-S (phew!)
I'm only pointing out that it is NOT surprising that Ukrainians had a grudge against us and this fact is also very sad.
Really? what would that be ?
Would you said the same thing about Germans and Jews ?
I-S (phew!)
Ironside
29 Nov 2009
History / The Poms who stood by the Poles in WW2 [156]
do you think that I deny it?
All I'm saying is that many Poles on the territories incorporated into Germany after 1939 signed volk-something not to be kicked out with in two hours like 800,000 their countryman's.
Those Poles were allowed to do it by Polish government for humanitarian reasons.
This situation produced "German" citizens conscripted into German army.
Do you understand now?
Or you are in denial?
I-S (take off your helmet, does it sink in, now?)
...as there was "Poles" who afterwards said they were forced by the Germans to not get killed by the victors and suffer the same fate as Germans, why don't you face THAT one?
do you think that I deny it?
All I'm saying is that many Poles on the territories incorporated into Germany after 1939 signed volk-something not to be kicked out with in two hours like 800,000 their countryman's.
Those Poles were allowed to do it by Polish government for humanitarian reasons.
This situation produced "German" citizens conscripted into German army.
Do you understand now?
Or you are in denial?
I-S (take off your helmet, does it sink in, now?)
Ironside
27 Nov 2009
History / The Poms who stood by the Poles in WW2 [156]
yes but people who have signed it wasn't Germans very often but Poles forced by circumstances, then there was conscription, and Poles in German army - thats the fact BB, why don't you face it?
there were the Volkslisten.
yes but people who have signed it wasn't Germans very often but Poles forced by circumstances, then there was conscription, and Poles in German army - thats the fact BB, why don't you face it?
Ironside
27 Nov 2009
History / The Poms who stood by the Poles in WW2 [156]
yes but you don't understand that majority of population which lived on the territories incorporated into Germany after 1939 were granted German citizenship regardless they were Poles or Germans, did they wanted it or not!
Do you copy now? or your helmet gets in the way?
Bratwurst Boy
So what is the problem?
no problem, I know that some people sided with Germany during the war but there were many who was forced into German army by circumstances, and wouldn't do so given a chance.
Do you have problem with it?
citizen of Germany
yes but you don't understand that majority of population which lived on the territories incorporated into Germany after 1939 were granted German citizenship regardless they were Poles or Germans, did they wanted it or not!
Do you copy now? or your helmet gets in the way?
Bratwurst Boy
So what is the problem?
no problem, I know that some people sided with Germany during the war but there were many who was forced into German army by circumstances, and wouldn't do so given a chance.
Do you have problem with it?
Ironside
26 Nov 2009
History / The Poms who stood by the Poles in WW2 [156]
Yes, thats my point, people on polish territories incorporated into Germany were granted German citizenship whatever they wanted it or not.
Others were kicked out.
How hard is it to understand ?
I reluctantly have given him as an example of ethnic Germans who were Polish citizens but have chosen German citizenship and sided with Germany during the WWII, to let you know that I do know what I'm talking about.
You are blissfully unaware of many things.:P
Did you know that Bavaria were settled by Avars?
Yes, thats my point, people on polish territories incorporated into Germany were granted German citizenship whatever they wanted it or not.
Others were kicked out.
How hard is it to understand ?
You need to decide what your relative was Iron! ;)
I reluctantly have given him as an example of ethnic Germans who were Polish citizens but have chosen German citizenship and sided with Germany during the WWII, to let you know that I do know what I'm talking about.
You are blissfully unaware of many things.:P
Did you know that Bavaria were settled by Avars?
Ironside
26 Nov 2009
History / The Poms who stood by the Poles in WW2 [156]
He was only Polish citizen speaking German at home with German surname, he become some kind of officer, don't know much.
Sure, thats zee German myth,
anyway if someone was decreed German citizen and then called to arms, it wasn't much he could do, was it?
foreigners
He was only Polish citizen speaking German at home with German surname, he become some kind of officer, don't know much.
Wehrmacht are totally different parts of shoes
Sure, thats zee German myth,
anyway if someone was decreed German citizen and then called to arms, it wasn't much he could do, was it?
Ironside
26 Nov 2009
History / The Poms who stood by the Poles in WW2 [156]
I don't doubt it !
But you have only heard part of the story, do you doubt that there were polish Silesians whoe were forced to be a German soldiers.
Because its a part of history and because nephew of my great grandmother was in Waffen-SS and was one of those Polish citizen who felt German - so I know what I'm talking about.
And I know the difference between forced conscription and volunteers, verstanden?
Because there were many german Silesians who felt Germans but where also forced to be polish as the new state took over?
I don't doubt it !
But you have only heard part of the story, do you doubt that there were polish Silesians whoe were forced to be a German soldiers.
Why should you?
Because its a part of history and because nephew of my great grandmother was in Waffen-SS and was one of those Polish citizen who felt German - so I know what I'm talking about.
And I know the difference between forced conscription and volunteers, verstanden?
Ironside
26 Nov 2009
History / The Poms who stood by the Poles in WW2 [156]
Their homes? Do you think that they could emigrate to USA for example ?
Why should you?
And where are all the hostage camps for Wehrmacht soldiers families?
Their homes? Do you think that they could emigrate to USA for example ?
I never heard of that actually! ;)
Why should you?
Ironside
26 Nov 2009
History / The Poms who stood by the Poles in WW2 [156]
Simple, conscript deserted, unit is sending telegram, and his family is busted - how hard it could be ?
How do you think it should have worked in reality
Simple, conscript deserted, unit is sending telegram, and his family is busted - how hard it could be ?
Ironside
26 Nov 2009
History / The Poms who stood by the Poles in WW2 [156]
thats reality and you are talking theory!
I will look for some links about
But if parents were German citizen before WWI when Polish state doesn't existed they and their children were automatically granted German citizenship after 1939 and then eventually conscripted to German army. And yes, they didn't protest, would you?
That's just crap!
thats reality and you are talking theory!
I will look for some links about
But if parents were German citizen before WWI when Polish state doesn't existed they and their children were automatically granted German citizenship after 1939 and then eventually conscripted to German army. And yes, they didn't protest, would you?