History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]


I believe the Blair letter and subsequent British queezy-ness and follow-up on this matter is proof enough that not enough was done to include Poles in the victory parade, indeed, it was shameful. This matter is obvious to the objective historian although not to British defenders of the indefensible.


As usual your unlimited ability to parse the real meaning only inhibits your argument. When making your illigimate point you continue to only partially quote leaving out the full meaning. That's a short-sighted tactic. Here is what I stated;

"The 303 squadron was the only Polish unit invited and in the most tepid manner. It rightlfully declined its very limited invitation because the invitation was not extended to any other Polish units which were not invited."

That certainly gives a full reading to what I stated.

I'll put it simply for you; When people are invited to a full dinner but one of the quests is offered only crumbs than that quest has a right to refuse to eat those droppings.

sjam

Like the staunch British apologist Harry you are also ignoring the full content of the letter and the subsequent 'make-up' and remedy that was involved. No remedy was needed if injustice wasn't done.

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Here's the pertinent portion of the letter. It gives a clearer picture of regret.

"The Polish units serving in the British Armed Forces played a distinguished and gallant part in the Second World War and it is fitting that their contribution should be remembered and honored. We very much regret that Polish contingents did not take part in the victory parade. ......

We will ensure that veterans from Polish forces that fought with the Allies will be represented in these events."

Since the above note was a response to Blair receiving a letter which included this;
“ I am writing to you today in the hope that you may be ableto correct one of the more shameful deeds of the British Government in 1945, which left a permanent scar on the reputation of Great Britain among her most loyal Allies,” . It is clear what is meant by Blair's response. Why would the British government need to "ensure" anything if there was no liability on their part?

Those who which to parse this further need only to read the following which was not refuted by the British government; "To our great dishonour, the British Labour Party acquiesced to the Soviet government demand that no Polish serivcemen serving under British command should participate in the Parade. After almost 60 years this feeling of treachery did not vanish.”

gotta go.....

UK, Ireland / Father's Day cards banned in Scottish schools [64]


Interesting way to put it since we're talking about single mothers copulating......but I agree with your assessment 100 percent.

Oh, there is one guy name Felix that helped ruin this otherwise fine name. He was
Felix Djerzinsky- Head of the Cheka, a forerunner of the KGB. He was a vicious enforcer who was responsible for many murders.

P.S. Notice how not many people have named their kids 'Adolph' anymore? Another fine name destroyed. ...or Attila

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The 303 squadron was the only Polish unit invited and in the most tepid manner. It rightlfully declined its very limited invitation because the invitation was not extended to any other Polish units which were not invited.

BRITISH GOVERNMENT APOLOGISES FOR V-DAY PARADE
WITHOUT THE POLES.
A DEBT TO PARENTS REPAID

It has finally happened: the British Government has officially expressed regret for not inviting Polish Combatants for the famous V-Day parade in 1946.

polandinexile.com/vp3.htm

UK, Ireland / Father's Day cards banned in Scottish schools [64]


It's a fine name; can't help it if Purina named a cat food "Felix".


Ah, but you were raised by your father. I won't bother to go into the statistics here but just google information on single parent households, especially in the U.S. and you'll find shocking statistics on how poorly kids do when raised in such an environment. Of course your situation was different in that your mother died. By far, most kids are products of divorce or the mother never married or the mother just wanted a child without a father.

UK, Ireland / Father's Day cards banned in Scottish schools [64]


translation: Bitter female teachers said no, male teachers said yes.


What's wrong with the name Felix? For example, Felix Mendelssohn was one heck of a composer.


From such acorns do mighty "political correctness" (PC) concepts grow.


Exactly, however our current culture demads that PC be worshipped on the feminist alter.


Dads really matter! (Children raised in single parent households are many times more likely to end up in prisons).

UK, Ireland / Modern Plantation for Poles in Ireland [352]

Just another technical comment; Poles are central European, not east European although that is often mistakenly stated.

What's the name of your bar in Spain? I heard it's called "Little Polonia".

UK, Ireland / Modern Plantation for Poles in Ireland [352]

RevokeNice

Gotta go, hope you meet a 'nice Polish girl' and have lots of Irish/Polish babies ...

UK, Ireland / Modern Plantation for Poles in Ireland [352]


O yea, lots of indegenous Mexicans in Vermont or Illinois or even Kentucky. You are confusing, for example, Aztecs with the many assorted Amerindians who lived north of the Rio Grande River. You know, the ones who constantly attacked each other and displaced each other. Most Amerindians did not believe in the concept of land ownership except in the area of burial grounds.

But those massive Irish immigrations displaced these Amerindians as well, right?

UK, Ireland / Modern Plantation for Poles in Ireland [352]

I'll trade you 15 million of our ILLEGAL Mexicans (in the U.S.) for 150,000 Poles. I'll throw in 4 Macedonians.

Poles are pollinating in Ireland? What next, all of Britania? Maybe Greenland?

Any Poles who are scamming the system should be thrown out. As guests they should be cordial and even grateful to the host country. Poles who are contributing to a country's economy should be welcomed. Simple as that.

UK, Ireland / Father's Day cards banned in Scottish schools [64]

"Will they ban Mother's Day cards for the same reason?"
No, nobody dares insult women like society in general can insult men.

"I dont agreee that this is PC nonsense...seems little point in a class activity which half of them can't do, does there?.....:}and which kids wish to reminded of their loser fathers who have fecked off?"(please no offence to good dads!)

Perhaps mothers who don't allow the fathers to visit the kids 'feel' outraged that their children may actually love their dads. (Alienation of affection syndrome) ............

("please no offence to good moms!")

"it all sounds like a waste of teacher time "

Yes, creatively showing parental affection to dads is "a waste...." (It's ok for moms though)

"that's because of the "complaints" that come from the parents who say that these cards offend them."

Hmmm, wonder if those would be male parents or female parents? Duh.

"What if you are a test tube baby... do they make a card for test tube day...?"

If the test tube is designated female then yes.

I'm reminded of all those Hallmark cards that berate men (you ladies know the ones).

UK, Ireland / Modern Plantation for Poles in Ireland [352]

"Eastern europea"

It's either East European or Eastern Europe. Eastern European is technically incorrect grammar although widely used.

UK, Ireland / Modern Plantation for Poles in Ireland [352]

"20% of dole claimants are foreign nationals. Thats 204 per person per week ,many of the poles.minimum."
What percentage are Poles?

"Massive welfare fraud committed by foreign nationals."
What percentage are Poles?

"25% of jailed criminals are foreign nationals."
What percentage are Poles?

Etc...........

UK, Ireland / Modern Plantation for Poles in Ireland [352]

Irish immigrants to the U.S.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_American

"A total of 36,495,800 Americans (more than 12% of total population) reported Irish ancestry in the 2006 American Community Survey.......Between 1820 and 1860, the Irish constituted over one third of all immigrants to the United States, and two-thirds of these Irish immigrants were Catholic. This trend reached its peak in 1840, when nearly half of all immigrants to the United States originated from Ireland.""There are approximately five million reporting Scots-Irish ancestry, who are counted separately from those counted as Irish in the U.S."

"More than 7 million Irish immigrants have come to America since the 1600s."

answers.com/topic/irish-american
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Polish immigrants to the U.S.
"There are an estimated 10 million such Polish Americans, representing about 3% of the population of the United States......"

Out of my inherent Polish fairness I gave the Irish more space here. :) If my math is correct, 7 million is more than 5 million.

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Done! I was careless when quoting and obviously I was quoting our new Irish acquaintance.

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RevokeNice


Native Americans (Amerindians) were a diverse group who constantly fought each other, often in the most vicious manner. They were not 'benefiting' from each other and indeed,

they didn't even use 'the wheel' among other things.


As has already been posted, your statement is wrong. Perhaps you need more information in other areas as well.


If you are referring to the Irish famine than you do need more information before you embarrass yourself further. During the mid 1800's in Ireland, the famine killed many Irish.

During this same period Poland was still partitioned by 3 countries and was unable to help anyone let alone itself. During this period Poland was brutalized by Austria, Prussia (Germany) and Russia.


What compliment? (reread above comment).

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There is no defending the Reds' failure during the Warsaw Uprising. None!!

UK, Ireland / Modern Plantation for Poles in Ireland [352]


During the great Irish immigrations to the United States, many Americans felt the same way about the Irish, but it all worked out in the end.

UK, Ireland / Modern Plantation for Poles in Ireland [352]


If that's true then any attempt to impose a third official language is wrong. As a Polish/American I can sympathize with you.

It is surprising to hear the words "uppity" and "vulgar" when describing Poles. Generally speaking, Poles are considered to be 'good guys' and have one of the lowest (if not the lowest) crime rate in the U.S.

As Winston Churchill once said; "Poles are just like the Irish, only more so."

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"Ukraine, which lost 2.5 million soldiers and 4.5 million civilians wasn't invited to the freaking parade."

Maybe because Ukies didn't serve under the British? Maybe because a significant percentage of Ukies fought with the Germans? Maybe because Ukies didn't field the 4th largest Allied army? Maybe because Ukies didn't fight in the battle of Britain? Maybe because.............etc.

History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]


The more reason to remind people, indeed to shout it from the hilltops and in more modern fashion to advertise it.

UK, Ireland / How can I receive child support from a Polish man living in UK? [33]

Really? Doesn't there have to be some sort of proof that this man is the father?
If he admits it then ok. I'm reminded of something that is unfortunately typical here in the states: A woman has sex with several men, gets pregnant and then accuses the man who has the most money of being the father. I'm not making this up and indeed, there is a reality program which shows this stuff every day. More often than not the accused man is proven not to be the father (after a DNA test).

I'm not suggesting that this is the case here. But it is curious that women are automatically believed until proven to be liars (and sluts and gold diggers).

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Coprnicus' family originally came from Silesia in Poland. This area was inhabited by a Polish farming population for many centuries. Copernicus is a Latinized version of the name which is Kopernik in Polish. Sometimes it was spelled Copernik, Koppernic and even other variations.

The astronomer's great grandfather received the rights of (Polish) Cracow citizenship in 1396.

The Order of the Knights of the Cross, a German military, religious order was brought to Poland in 1226 for defense against pagan Prussians. As the Order grew in strength, it turned against Poland.

The people in the area formed the League of Prussian Cities which rebelled against the Teutonic Knights. The League turned to the king of Poland with a request for assistance and protection. Keep in mind that Prussia at that time was a province of the Kingdom of Poland. At that time the concept of nationality as we know it now had not yet developed. ..but among Poles there always existed a deeply felt attachment to place of birth and surrounding area. Copernicus was born in Torun and spent much of his early life in Warmia where people lived in constant fear of attack from the Teutonic Knights.

Throughout his life Copernicus defended Warmia's independence from the Teutonic Order who were harassing Polish provinces, especially Warmia. In 1520, with the support of German troops they attempted again to conquer Warmia and its capital Olsztyn where Copernicus was temporarily stationed. He became governor of the beleagured city in 1521 and fortified it. The Teutonic Knights plundered and looted the surrounding countryside but the Polish forces under the generalship of Copernicus in Olsztyn were successful in holding off the Germanic marauders who attempted to seize the castle there.

Copernicus presented himself at the Provincial Diet in Grudziadz in 1522 and presented an extensive list containing the claims of Warmia for war damages against the German knights.

Descendents of those barbaric German knights now want to claim Kopernik as one of their own. Teutonic Knights who got their butts kicked by Copernicus and his Polish soldiers must be turning in their graves.

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It was in 1946 but the premise is still correct. You remind me of a former golfing acquaintance of mine who vehemently denied losing to me by 4 strokes when I mentioned our game to several others. It was pointed out that he actually lost by 5 strokes but since I was technically incorrect when I stated that I beat him by 4 he seized the moment and attempted to present his argument in such a manner as to suggest he didn't lose at all.


From "A Question of Honor" by Lynne Olson and Stanley Cloud:

Prologue: They marched, twelve abreast and in perfect step, through the heart of bomb-pocked London. American troops, who were in a place of honor at the head of the nine-mile parade, were followed---in a kaleidoscope of uniforms, flags, and martial music by Czechs and Norwegians, Chinese and Dutch, French and Iranians, Belgians and Australians, Canadians and South Africans. There were Sikhs in turbans, high-stepping Greek evzoni in pom-pommed shoes and white pleated skirts, Arabs in fezzes and kaffiyehs, grenadiers from Luxembourg, gunners from Brazil. And at the end of the parade, in a crowd-pleasing, Union Jack-waving climax, came at least 10,000 men and women from the armed forces and civilian services of His Britannic Majesty,King George VI.

.....on this grey and damp June day in 1946, Britain and its invited guests, representing more than thirty victorious Allied nations, joined in formal commemoration of their collective victory and of those, living and dead, who had contributed to it. ...church bells pealed and bagpipes skirled....cheered and applauded by more than 2 million onlookers, many waving flags and tooting toy trumpets. The marchers snapped off salutes as they passed the reviewing platform on the Mall........

None (Poles) marched in the parade. For they were all Polish - and Poles who had fought under British command were deliberately and specifically barred from the celebration by the British government, for fear of offending Joseph Stalin.

A week earlier, ten members of Parliament had written a letter of protest against the exclusion. "Ethiopians will be there," the letter declared. "Mexicans will be there. The Fiji Medical Corps, the Labuan Police and the Seychelles Pioneer Corps will march and rightly, too. But the Poles will not be there. Have we lost not only our sense of perspective, but our sense of gratitude as well"?

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Where was his heart? Since Copernicus commanded the Royal Polish soldiers during the
defense of a castle in Olsztyn against the Teutonic Knights who were besieging it then it stands to reason who he thought he was.

UK, Ireland / How can I receive child support from a Polish man living in UK? [33]

I'm reminded of a divorce case where the judge was granting a woman 'maintenance' for two years. In this case the woman demanded an amount of money so that she could live

in a "lifestyle that she became accustomed to" during their 10 years of marriage.

The man said, "if that's the case then I've been accustomed to sex twice a week" and suggested that the judge grant him that. Of course the man didn't really want relations with his ex wife but he was making a point, one that seems logical. Naturally, this seems absurd but then so do many judgements that the anti-male court systems hand out.

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That's true for anybody, anywhere. What anybody "could say" is meaningless.

The 'fuller truths'; the real facts are what matter(s).

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Ah, so now you are speaking for the British. Tell us "man for all seasons" what is the Innuit position on this matter.

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Why do you quote someone and then totally ignore the question. Instead, you insult.

USA, Canada / CHICAGO BLUESFEST JUNE 7- 10 [111]

I prefer the Chicago Jazz Fest which will start on Sept. 4th thru the 6th. (All the Grant Park fests are good). If you see a slightly older gentleman wearing a fine straw hat and puffing on a premium cigar walking with a lady 30 years younger - well, that would be me.