Life / Do Poles accept people from the Polish diaspora as Poles? [14]

Never! Oh yes we will pretend a diaspora Pole is OK with us and then we'll gather at night with torches and pitchforks and white hoods and burning crosses and down goes Olisadebe!

Love / Love my polish girlfriend alot but under pressure from family [166]


You apparently have no idea how incredibly backwards the pakis are, they could disown him for just that.

History / UPA - Ukrainian Insurgent Army. How they killed poles in Volhynia (1943). [139]


Because Ukraine is our most important strategic partner, as the geopolitical reality will change Poland and Germany will come apart more and more and both we and Ukraine have absolutely the same long term interests in virtually every field and shitting on it even if it is historical truth is not wise, we should not let our past fuck up our future and thats exactly what all polish goverments and media are aware of.

There will come a time when Ukrainians mature enough to admit to such crimes but at this time they're a young nation that requires help, guidance and sincere partnership not dragging a bag of shit on their doorstep and telling them they made it.


Sasha while their goverment is bloody frackin oceans from democracy up untill the orange revolution it was a russian puppet, better a domestic bitch than some other powers bitch.


No but there exists a significant russian majority especially in and around Crimea, de-rusification does not work, from Ukrainian POV it would be most beneficial to use the nearest geopolitical upheaval and resettle them to Russia but thats all theories, there's lots of Russians living in Ukraine today.

Also in regards to UPA and Nazi Germany, in my opinion Nazi Germany responsibility was greater, Germany was an old and greatly developed culture with full civilizational awareness of what it was doing whereas Ukrainians were a young nation bordering on barbarism without ethical and moral awareness.

Poles have been a traditional elite of the region and much hatred and envy exploded, i do not agree nor do i justifiy UPA, they were thugs murderers and little more but at least they had their reasons and not enough civilizational and cultural spine to stop them.

Germans were adults fully knowing what they were doing, Ukrainians were just cruel children, thats a pretty big difference.

Love / Polish women are known for their beauty, but men are so ugly (most of).. [250]


Thats only because we forget to belch and armpit-fart on the first dates.

The fact is that hygiene is a must but going to a solarium ? Metrosexuality is fucked up.

Love / Polish women are known for their beauty, but men are so ugly (most of).. [250]


That hurt almost as much as my armpit after having a good fart.


I dont see a lot of that in Poland.


And the speed and quality with which she fulfils my demands, thats about right :-)

Love / Polish women are known for their beauty, but men are so ugly (most of).. [250]


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All lies!


Thats the kind of export i fully support, why dont you enjoy them for a while :)

Love / Love my polish girlfriend alot but under pressure from family [166]

God that pisses me off, so if some culture features for example honor murders or abuse of women than thats ok because its part of the culture ?

Just because its "their culture" doesnt mean it cant be inferior to ours and it is.

Love / Polish women are known for their beauty, but men are so ugly (most of).. [250]


Oh they're sweet and all that rubbish, for the first few weeks, once you adopt them for good the inner bitch finds its way but there's pros to them as well :)

Love / Love my polish girlfriend alot but under pressure from family [166]


What fucking planet are you from ? You compare abuse of basic freedoms based on gender, religion or race to pointing shoes ?

I'm sorry i really mean no offence but are you downright stupid or just that desperate to defend the little world you live in ?


And they would do so because their culture is BACKWARDS, a culture thats so selective and opressive is called backwards no matter how you look at it, of course there's the added fact of the guy being a spineless twat and "culture" being the shield behind which he hides his fundamental lack of balls.


Then they too are backwards, its not like Islam has monopoly on being messed up, the only difference is the scale.

History / UPA - Ukrainian Insurgent Army. How they killed poles in Volhynia (1943). [139]

Actually what i just said is that while UPA and Germans commited the same crimes the Germans were more guilty on account of greater awareness, if you want to be taken seriously you should stop being so emotional.

Love / Love my polish girlfriend alot but under pressure from family [166]


Actually i do understand their culture, as with most primitive cultures its one ruled by strength where the weak and the females have no say, morality and ethics are arbitraly bent around to fit the whim of the strongest, there is no respect for freedom of choice or dignity.


Islam is not doing so hot for the last 700 years, in fact the closer we get to the present the worse it gets.

Also i'm not judging the guy and his "civilization" through mine, i'm judging him through universal values of respect towards another human being, i'm no hippy and i understand people have their own ways but if those ways include battered women or hanging women who divorce men then however you twist it the culture is backwards.

Also muslims are not a particulary complicated breed either.

History / UPA - Ukrainian Insurgent Army. How they killed poles in Volhynia (1943). [139]

Of course, Germans had a thriving civilization when Ukrainians were living in huts and plowing fields of polish nobles, Germans had well over 7 centuries of heritage before anyone in Ukraine even thought of himself as Ukrainian.

As such they had a far greater civilizational ethical and moral awareness than their ukrainian contemporaries at the time, Ukraine is a young country and culture or education were not actually in abundance prior to WW 2 which resulted in much of ukrainian nation being little more than illiterate former serfs, such people have greater capacity to blindly commit atrocities without understanding the full capacity of what they're doing.

History / UPA - Ukrainian Insurgent Army. How they killed poles in Volhynia (1943). [139]


Ivan was a Russian, not even a Rut


henian but a bloody ethnic Russian.
The first and only academy in Ukraine for about 80 years, never became a university and was not even close to being one of the oldest in Eatern Europe since Hungary, Novgorod principality, Lithuania, Poland and Moscow had academies and universities for quite a long time by then.


Uhuh and most of them run by Poles.


Ruthenian monastieries, not Ukrainian ones.


Very little, orthodox church was extremely insular.


You mean Mieszko who had several cities the size of Kiev under him by the end of his rule ?:)

Comparing the ruthenian culture which is only loosely connected with modern day Ukraine to Polish culture which has over 1000 years of continuity despite changing political circumstances isnt exactly helping your point.

That Ukraine is a young nation is nothing bad but the fact is that prior to WW 2 you did not have the intelectual elite that the old countries had, such elite is a thing that takes many generations, a developed society and equally developed traditions and education, Ukraine had none of this since Cossacks and Ruthenians can be connected only by religion and ethnicity, culture and civilization was always either Polish or Russian or whoever occupied you at that particular time, having little national identity your elites took on the customs of the local powers.

History / UPA - Ukrainian Insurgent Army. How they killed poles in Volhynia (1943). [139]


Correct but still it wasnt quite as developed as the polish tribes at the time, neither was it connected with Ukraine, you could argue that they were ethnic Russians since at the time it was all Ruthenians, same cultural and religious pool.


No madan it cannot, Poland during partitions had already a firmly constituted national identity backed by tradition and history with nearly a millenium of continuity.


Not for other cultures, no but definitely for the Ukrainian culture, despite your claims modern day Ukraine is not a descendant of ancient Ruthenia, there is very little connection there.

Modern day Ukraine has its roots in Cossack uprisings in 17 century when the first local politically aware class emerged and even then these people didnt think of themselves as Ukrainians or Ruthenians but simply Cossacks, a political and social class tied to a region.

True Ukraine begins sometime in late 18 century and becomes the synthesis of Russian, Polish and a hint of old Ruthenian culture which was at the time nearly dead through massive asimilation of the upper classes into the local powers.


Read above, Kievan Rus was a completely different state the only a loose ethnic connection.

Love / Polish women are known for their beauty, but men are so ugly (most of).. [250]


What are you, some kind of a warring feminist or plain dumb ? As for my relationship its failed so spectacularly that we're engaged and getting married.


Why do i get the feeling that you're dating a foreigner and suffering from a typical "a Pole abroad" syndrome and snorting down your nose on fellow Poles ?:)

Of course your reply proves my point about general bitchiness of polish girls


Wouldnt they Justysia ?:)

History / UPA - Ukrainian Insurgent Army. How they killed poles in Volhynia (1943). [139]


You do realise that for example Bogdan Chmielnicki was an ethnic Pole ? Cossacks were a social and political class of the region, they came from all ethnic groups, Poles, Russians, Ruthenians ...


Obviously not since there is no real continuity between the two, its like Jews would claim that they're Sumerian just because they're connected to Sumers.

Also Nathan this is just an internet forum you're taking all this wayyyy too personaly.

History / UPA - Ukrainian Insurgent Army. How they killed poles in Volhynia (1943). [139]


Correct, he was born a son of Michał Chmielnicki of the Abdank family, how can you even discuss the history of your country without such basics ?


Actually Cossacks fought only to keep the Poles from decreasing the register.


So the polish peasants who started uprisings against polish nobles were also not polish because they fought for freedom ?:)

History / UPA - Ukrainian Insurgent Army. How they killed poles in Volhynia (1943). [139]


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogdan_Chmielnicki
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrokomla_Coat_of_Arms

Any further questions as to Chmielnickis ethnicity ?:)

Love / Polish women are known for their beauty, but men are so ugly (most of).. [250]


See ? I'm not only smart and modest but a good judge of character :) Bet a months pay you're from a little town and a poor family too :)


Oh i'm not looking down on you as an "abroad Pole" i just look down on as a unlikable stuck up girl.


Temper temper... did i hit a nerve ?:)


Well then you be happy with your non typical brit and i'll be a typical polish guy marrying a typical polish girl, and because we're both educated confident and well off people we do not need to validate our sense of self worth by dating foreigners like a girl hailing from a deep province in eastern Poland would :)

History / UPA - Ukrainian Insurgent Army. How they killed poles in Volhynia (1943). [139]


That is correct, his father had a polish coat of arms whiich he couldnt not have had being Ukrainian since they used different coats of arms :)

History / UPA - Ukrainian Insurgent Army. How they killed poles in Volhynia (1943). [139]


Why do you keep lying to the man! Our military is drawing up plans even now.

Love / Love my polish girlfriend alot but under pressure from family [166]


Culture and religion aside, if i was put in his situation i'd have a good moment digesting the problem then have an honest talk with either my folks or my lady and stick with one side instead of trying to eat a cake and shit on a cake.

Love / Discussion about Polish Men's Tempers [103]

Why do i have a weird feeling some old time users are having fun making all these threads :)

History / Irena Sendler, the "Female Schindler," Portrayed in CBS Movie [17]


Boring movie about a boring topic :)

Love / Polish women are known for their beauty, but men are so ugly (most of).. [250]


Well my fiancee is an awfull bitch since birth and ceirtanly not by my own doing ( she read this topic and agrees with me wholeheartedly ).

Also Justysias if we're at a topic of Poles in UK maybe my four months there were not enough but i couldnt identify my countrymen by smell, i could however tell if a girl was polish by the way she dresses, its like polish women shed all pretence to class, style and dress like a cheap ( insert term never used towards women ).

For some reason my posts have been removed when nothing insulting was in them, this adressed both polish stinkers and village girls AND explains the would be promiscousity of polish women abroad and your views on Poles.

Poor polish men and women, typically from small towns and villages having a poor background leave for UK seeing this as a sort of social elevation, polish girls will date foreign guys not because they fancy them but because they're foreign, for them its some sort of a social advance.

You scoff at male Poles because you hate your connection with Poland, like many people who migrate to UK in search of a better life from some podunk hole in Poland you want to forget the town with 5 houses and 6 streets, the indignity of an underpaid job at a cheap liquor store and all things polish.

Thats why you look down on polish men, thats why many Poles abroad generally look down on Poles home, after all the poverty back home you feel elevated and superior and in your eyes any foreigner is downright better, i had a girl working for us in London who had just the same view on the matter as you and saw dozens of polish women dating foreigners because of the social status they'd aquire in their own eyes.


img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/04_03/OlgaChanMOS1602_602x450.jpg

The fugly one is Russian, the hot one is British, the picture is a massive middle finger up your stereotyping rectum :)

Love / Polish women are known for their beauty, but men are so ugly (most of).. [250]


Thats not crap Justyna, its a sad truth, many of the Poles who came from poverty stricken areas of Poland especially women would and did anything just to hook up with a foreigner as a means of social advance.


If my assumptions were idiotic you wouldnt be so angry about them, i'm not accusing you of anything too, you left your poor town where you had no future and found a better life, i wish you all the best i'm merely pointing out that your poor and backwater background inflluences you view of Poles, Poland and your current life.


I'd put it another way, dating Brits lets you detach yourself from your experience back home which you would prefer not to remember.


No one would ever admit to it, just take a look at yourself how angry and agressive you became at the mere suggestion that your outlook and relationship are the way they are because you escaped poverty.


Who says its a crime ? I dont really mind or care i'm merely pointing out that in your eyes as with most lower classes of our society that migrated to UK dating or marrying a foreigner is seen as an elevation in social status, back in your town people would speak of you with envy.

You can of course claim all of the above but i believe otherwise, the poorer immigrants have a very simplistic outlook on life that boils down to becoming more british than british themselves which includes mandatory marriage to an englishman, its motivated by materialistic and social factors rather than emotional ones, in other words you're dating a guys passport rather than the man himself.


Its a bit more complicated, women of the afformentioned group are after men simply because they're local, just dating an englishman regardless if he's a drunk or a millionaire is seen as a social advancement both by girls such as you and by people back home in your little towns and villages, emotions and fancies play a completely secondary role here.


Justyna if i post something about my fiancee thats because its me, i love her and she is professionally acomplished in a way you could dream of, as a person and a woman she is the best thing that happened to me since cold beer and objectively a bloody awesome girl so i'd appreciate if you did not shit on my lawn in the future in this way.

I realise the topic is sensitive but the behaviour you and so many Poles abroad display exists and is a problem and an issue stemming from your humble background, this is where all the myths of polish women being easy or promiscous come from.


I'm not talking about objective facts, i'm talking about the way you and others like you perceive life on immigration, because Poles remind you of backwater home you avoid them.

As for thinking low of myself, my ego is only slightly smaller than my hypocricy and linguistic skills :)

History / UPA barbarian murders on Polish and Jewish neighbors during WW2 [150]

UPA this UPA that, yeah they were a bunch of murdering fuckers but its getting boring fast.

News / Tanks stolen from military training ground in Poland [28]

Come to Poland your tank is already here.

History / UPA barbarian murders on Polish and Jewish neighbors during WW2 [150]

You're still getting annexed on account of not having proper history and culture :)

History / UPA - Ukrainian Insurgent Army. How they killed poles in Volhynia (1943). [139]


Oh ye Gods, thats what you get for not knowing squat about history. Chmielnicki was the son of an Starosta, a guy from an old family with an old coat of arms, the guy had a polish coat of arms because (DUH!) he was a polish noble and logic dictates that if papa Chmielnicki was a Pole than Bogdan Chmielnicki was also a Pole.

No matter how you twist it one of your great heroes was polish and not just any Pole but a pretty high ranking noble at that! How does that feel ?:)


My favourite book! However Edmunds countship over the island of Monte Cristo cannot be compared to Abdank which is an ancient coat of arms, also its documented that Chmielnicki was the son of a polish noble, namely Starosta of Czechryń so the entire point of purchasing the coat of arms is moot, the guy was born into polish nobility.