History / Pole, Jew and dog: all have the same faith. [33]

Nathan

Can you find the TV spot mentioned in the OP or at least comment on it. Is this considered good humor in the Ukraine? Is it being aired on TV now or is there an issue about showing it?

It goes far beyond the second one I posted, which I find humorous and not offensive at all. We can take a joke.

Life / Son's First birthday - Poland tradition celebration? [3]

Birthday cake with one candle. You know it is more for you than for him, but he will enjoy it also. This tradition is repeated every year. :)

History / Pole, Jew and dog: all have the same faith. [33]

They might allow the Ukrainians to replace the Jew with a Russian. Offending Jews gets a quick response. Keep an eye on this.

History / Pole, Jew and dog: all have the same faith. [33]


I looked at Carslberg and they don't list this brand nor any presence in Ukraine. It was wiki, so is it correct or are they part of Carlsberg Group?

History / Pole, Jew and dog: all have the same faith. [33]

I see this one, but that is not it, right?



Who are they making fun of here?

youtube.com/v/GjBo41lMx1g

History / Pole, Jew and dog: all have the same faith. [33]

Is there a link to see it?

A far cry from this beer commercial: youtube.com/v/S1ZZreXEqSY

History / 9th November 1989: And the wall came tumbling down [113]

You and your like are against punishing communists for their crimes. The Left is very much against that, look even a film like Soviet Story about communist crimes meets with similar reaction as you have. I find it telling that you spend your days criticizing Poles and defending Jews, when in your country a communist war crime is not a crime. I've seen no critique of that although this fact has been mentioned repeatedly.

And my family didn't enter the US on a "temporary visitors visa."

History / 9th November 1989: And the wall came tumbling down [113]

No. A trial is not like cutting hair.

History / 9th November 1989: And the wall came tumbling down [113]


It is mentioned. I mention it whenever I can. I want them publicly named and prosecuted if warranted.

The Left is not keen on this though.

History / 9th November 1989: And the wall came tumbling down [113]


You didn't mention pogroms, which is surprising.

Life / Presents for Poles (I stay with them for a weekend) [13]

MareGaea

I wouldn't be surprised if gave Happy Meals to your hosts.

Life / Presents for Poles (I stay with them for a weekend) [13]

Flowers. Be tasteful.

News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]


Sokrates' roots go way back. Before they moved to friendly Poland from unfriendly Spain, they were merchants in the Levant. A fascinating story.

News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]


That's why I recommend military duty to all young men. Among many other things you will learn there, one is not to treat your flag as a dipper.

I've travelled to many countries, and have never felt to wear my flag to feel proud. Star of David armbands would be more appropriate. Besides,


and...

News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]

Israeli students told by Poland trip leaders: Don't wear flag

haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1126065.html

News / THE HOMINTERN IN POLAND? [80]


So if the rabbis are not involved in human organ trafficing, they must be selling Gucci bags. What is the world coming to?

News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]


To look and find people who dislike Jews in Poland, you would have to really have to go out out of you way; similarly, it would be difficult to find people in Israel who hate Polish people. I speak from experience, having been here and there. Sokrates is correct in a sense that Jews tend blame Poles for indifferance or collusion to their tragedy without aknowledging their participation in mudrder of Poles. I, personally, think this discussion is pointless, as both were victims of Soviet and Nazi crimes.

If Poles are so hateful, tell me, why my wife and I have such a hard time to get tickets to see a play at the Jewish Theatre in Warsaw? Ok, the answer is that all theatres are booked. The Jewish one included; we just don't discriminate. Get it, everyone?

News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]


And you should, for the Holocaust, you bastards.

Send them two of these, nicely wrapped:

News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]

I'm not grasping at straws, bro. I'm well aware of the absurdity of armed guards "protecting" the kids in today's Poland. Had you seen how the March of the Living was presented on websites a few years ago, you would think the Poles were ready to holocaust any kid with a beenie. Manufactured paranoia. I'm opptimistic that these attitudes are changing.

My post was outside of that discussion, and some might find this sort of thing interesting. Let me get back to my Chinese history. I have presented my points of view on this subject and I don't want to go in circles. I'm disappointed that there is little interest in the Soviet Story, so I'm taking my toys and going home. :)

News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]

I'm sorry to back up in this conversation, but this following bit I have always found interesting, however it is nearly impossible to reseach since no one is talking. M-G said on this thread that he sees the armed Israeli security as a resonable precaution for Jewish youth visiting Poland since there may be a Palestinian terrorist lurking around. Unlikely these days, but...

...during the communist days (70s and 80s), this was a fact. The communist block provided funds, arms, and training to the terrorists. In Poland they were trained and spent their leisure time. Nothing shocking to me. If you had read the book or seen the film "Munich", about the killing of Israeli athletes during the Olympics, and the subsequent elimination of the Black September terrorists, you remember the name of Abu Daud on the list to eliminate. Now, here is the Polish link: he was shot 5 times, not fatally, in Hotel Victoria in Warsaw in 1981. Whether it was the Mossad, we can only suspect that it was. He naturally though it was.

time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,949327,00.html

He wasn't the only one here. The communist State Security(SB) hosted many times one of the two most famous terrorists of that time: Illich Sanchez Ramirez, known as The Jackal. The other being Abu Nidal, of course. None of the ex-SB scum wants to talk about it. Why were the communists helping the terrorists? Suvorov explains it in "Spetsnaz. The Story Behind the Soviet SAS" in some detail if you are interested:


The whole book online: militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov6/index.html

Sorry for the interruption.

News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]

It is a little known fact that Polish anti-Semitism has had an economic history. Back when, there was a deal struck, on which the Jews defaulted, which brings us to the said animosity, that the Jews would cut the Poles in on the diamond cutting racket. It is understandable that the Poles feel left out by their older brothers in faith. With all the silly Americans spending their three month's wages on a silly stone which is plentiful and hardly rare, the cash we could have made has gone in front of our noses. That sort of thing would even PiS off the Dalai Lama.

There was another deal made with the bagel profit sharing. The bagel was invented in Poland. It is eaten by all Americans, nay, swallowed like M&M's, and where is our cut, I ask you? Not many people know about these secret agreements.

M-G, how did you know I am wearing Levi Strauss jeans today?

News / Man Why Do People Like PO Instead Of PIS [120]


You should use spell check. Blargh is with two R's.

News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]


It was your choice of words that he reacted to. Different scale of crimes. I also would not equate Jewish crimes against Poles to what Einsatzgruppen were doing. I've read their operational reports, and I'm sure you have too, so I can understand. Apropos Einsatzgruppen. Not many people are aware of the Einsatzgruppen that were operating in Poland in 1939 murdering primarily Poles not Jews.



I think they might if they are aware of them. We Poles don't write many books about it in English; were busy defending ourselves against smears and lies. But then again, we don't want anything from them, so we don't need to demonize them. We are not requesting apologies, admitions of guilt, money, tears; we're not creating anti-Semitism.

News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]

Sokrates

I don't see those two guys as vehicles for spreading lies at all. I also don't want to lump all Jews in the same basket as Polak killers, just like we get angry when Jews make us out to be Hitler's little helpers. The most I can do is suggest people to read books that helped me understand that period of history better. It takes time to really understand anything, and certainly never fully.

Then the choice is theirs. When you read Calel Perechodnik's "Am I a murderer?, I as a Pole can concentrate on how much of a bastard he was for bringing his wife and child to be sent to Treblinka or I can notice his biterness at Poles' behaviour, and he loved Polish culture at that. Conversly, a Jew reading it can dwell on the Polish bastards described or can pause and think of the Jews who sent their own to death. Another book worth reading:

News / Polish Man tries to Rob Bank with a Spoon.....??? [28]


Well, anyone can make a mistake now and then.

News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]


A quick point here. There are people who only peruse anti-Jewish material and, of course the more they do they only see Jewish fault in everything. They dismiss any other sources as unreliable, because they don't confirm their already preconceived view. They are only looking for material to support the said view. On the other hand, some Jews will only accept the Jewish-friendly view, meaning the Jews were only victims, period. Sterotypes form and so on.

If both sides were to look a little deeper, they would see it is much more complex. There were mothe*****rs on both sides. Plenty of them. The problem I see is that Jewish people are so much more vocal and wash over the Jewish crimes while emphasizing the Polish crimes. I don't see many works or articles in English about Jews working for Gestapo or being Stalinist judges or prosecutors. I have no problem finding constant wave of how Poles murdered Jews and didn't do anything to save Jews or were szmalcowniki (Poles who turn in Jews for money). Say szmalcownik and you think Pole. That's what I thought also till I read Jewish diaries from the ghetto. Leaving out the obvious worst enemy of Poles and Jews, next in line the Jew feared a fellow Jew the most and a Pole a fellow Pole. After the war, a Pole was likely to have a Jewish prosecutor or judge, but a Pole would be the one ripping his fingernails off. A Jew was killed sometimes out of hate but more often because he joined the enemy - the communists.

To bring this back to the original topic, it would be very beneficial for both sides to actually read books that describe the context in which those events took place and not just comfortable excerpts. Holocaust websites are notorious for this and it is deceiving in many cases. So, the Jewish youth who come to Poland are at best poorly educated in the events that took place here and even indoctrinated in a one side view.

There are plenty of Jewish people who know the real history yet they are silent. They allow the few vocal ones to promote ill feeling among us and stir up Judeophobia.


Again, not so simple. In "Polacy i Zydzi w Zaborze Sowieckim" (Poles and Jews under Soviet Occupation) by Marek Wierzbicki you will read how Polish POW's lead through the streets were pellted and jeered by Jews and given food and water by...Jews on the next street. It is a good and interesting historical work and I don't know if it avalilable in English.

News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]

M-G,

I would like to recommend a book to you. Read a short review here:

history.ucsb.edu/projects/holocaust/Resources/BookReviews

I think it is worth reading. When you read the section on the Kielce pogrom, you will see that it was not just a simple killing of Jews by Poles just because they were Jews. It is a decent book and objective. I think you will learn many new things. Stalin, and the Nazis, for that matter, used various nationalities against each other and look with what good result - we are in disagreement, pointing fingers at each other and no one mentions them.

You can scan it here:

books.google.com/books?id=hC0-dk7vpM8C&pg=PA129&lpg=PA129&dq=kielce+pogrom+pl&source=bl&ots=vCbJRHI93k&sig=E23hGObhCfud5BKN1G6GvgKT6NY&hl=en&ei=fr3pSq1AhrawBuuh7IsG&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CCgQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=kielce%20pogrom%20pl&f=false

pages 129 through 140 should be of interest.

News / Man Why Do People Like PO Instead Of PIS [120]


Wonder why no one has touched this piece of shite and SLD? Can't they make a comeback? As soon as they do PO people are perfect for them.

News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]


I find nothing funny. How else would you call those Jews who swelled the ranks of State Security (UB), like Jakub Berman, Stalin's choice or Head of UB 1944-1953?

News / Man Why Do People Like PO Instead Of PIS [120]


Tusk and company were involved in preventing that from happening.


You can't be serious. During those 10 years the KGB and Polish communists were splitting our industry 50/50.


That's exactly the argument of SB agents.


Ah, yes, let's give people a chance to get used to the idea that the Soviets were invaders. We wouldn't want make a clean break. In fact, we didn't and the people of SLD and PO are very comfortable with that. The rest o the useful idiots think communism somehow disappeared. Nowhere to be found. Poof!