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1jola   
5 Mar 2009
History / Why communism failed in Poland? [275]

I don't live in Warsaw (nor am I Polish), what about the London/Paris/NY/TYneside metros, which actually cover some distance more than the Warsaw one.

Juche is right:) I have ridden the London, Paris, Moscow, and Beijing metros. The last two are far better. They won't let me into North Korea so I can't report on that one. They won't let anyone out either to report.
1jola   
4 Mar 2009
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]

Israel Singer, General Secretary of the World Jewish Congress stated that "More than three million Jews died in Poland and the Polish people are not going to be the heirs of the Polish Jews. We are never going to allow this. (...) They're gonna hear from us until Poland freezes over again. If Poland does not satisfy Jewish claims it will be "publicly attacked and humiliated" in the international forum.

Is this the same WJC that along with WZO did nothing to help the European Jews during the Holocaust??!!

Chutzpah.
1jola   
3 Mar 2009
History / Why communism failed in Poland? [275]

We should also compare our food shops, Juche. How was the edible grass harvest last year?
1jola   
1 Mar 2009
History / Polish soldier stories [50]

It is good to show that not only the British and Americans are fighting. but also the Polish

The Americans were late to show up, and the British at first bombed the Germans with...leaflets, but I'm glad you are catching on.
1jola   
1 Mar 2009
History / Why communism failed in Poland? [275]

That probably Soviet Union subsidized all eastern block countries with profits from oil.

That is the bullshit they were feeding the Soviet people as I said before. They weren't subsidizing, they were exploiting.

There were huge food shortages, you couldn't buy basic appliances, clothing, cars, yet you said everyone was working and there was no unemployment. Where was all that stuff going? Now, we don't have that "subsidy" and there are goods golore. Are you still at the homo sovieticus stage?
1jola   
28 Feb 2009
History / Why communism failed in Poland? [275]

1jola:
Poland provided exactly what it was to provide - a huge amount of food products, steel, coal, ships, etc. for the Soviets.

southern:
The point is that after the collapse the products which Poland provided were of no demand in the West,while the soviet raw materials which SU provided to Poland became highly popular in the West.

Somehow you think you are making a point here. What is it?
1jola   
28 Feb 2009
History / Why communism failed in Poland? [275]

Sasha:
So you assert that the USSR just pumped out resources from Poland? :)
No. It was flooding us with tones of luxury goods.

Which we always politely declined so we wouldn't appear too dacadent like those imperialistic swines from western Europe. Tffuu!

On a serious note. They used to tell the Russians that the shortages in their stores were because they had to help the satellite countries. Always pitting one group against another. What's interesting is that Poles had to learn Russian in schools, while Russians learned...English.
1jola   
28 Feb 2009
History / Why communism failed in Poland? [275]

It didn't fail at all. It worked out greatly for Party members and for the Soviets. Poland provided exactly what it was to provide - a huge amount of food products, steel, coal, ships, etc. for the Soviets. I hope you are not under the impression that communism is about equality.
1jola   
27 Feb 2009
News / How many prisons are there in Poland? [9]

can you tell me how many prisons are in Poland, please write mi some

Are you searching for the best location? Great views, best food? What?
1jola   
20 Feb 2009
Genealogy / Any information available on the Przedecz camp? [13]

I couldn't find anything in English nor Polish, but here is a link to the town's website. There is an English version and Contact us. They should know.

przedecz.net/index.php?en=1&dzial=1&strona=1
1jola   
19 Feb 2009
History / Irena Sendler, the "Female Schindler," Portrayed in CBS Movie [17]

From their website:

The exact number of children saved by Sendler and her partners is unknown.

A curious statistic for a Holocaust research center.

On October 19, 1965, Yad Vashem recognized Irena Sendler as Righteous Among the Nations. The tree planted in her honor stands at the entrance to the Avenue of the Righteous Among the Nations.

Yes, let's give them time to give due credit.
1jola   
19 Feb 2009
History / Irena Sendler, the "Female Schindler," Portrayed in CBS Movie [17]

The reason I mentioned Yad Vashem is that there is a huge display about Schindler and there is nothing about Irena Sendler. Why would Yad Vashem ignore a true hero? This Hollywood aproach to history deserves criticism.

Maybe it's time that Schindler should be known as the "male Irena Sendler."
1jola   
19 Feb 2009
History / Irena Sendler, the "Female Schindler," Portrayed in CBS Movie [17]

Yes, Harry plays the race card, and the anti-semitism card. They are both cheap shots.

Yehudi, I'm not angry at all about the film. I only find it ridiculous to use the Nazi Schindler as a yard stick of rescuing Jews during the war. You obviously haven't been to Yad Vashem.
1jola   
17 Feb 2009
History / Col.Jozef Swiatlo-Secret agent, torturer, CIA-collaborator to be tried? [145]

BTW. I repeat; I don't understand the reference to looking in their pants? This is obviously way too clever for me and over my head. Please explain?

Jews were circumcised, gentiles were not.

I'll get back to you.

1jola: as they believed them to be virulently anti-semitic

Stop attributing your own statements to me.
1jola   
17 Feb 2009
News / Is Poland Provoking Economic Warfare With Russia? [26]

Whoever they are, they are well known.

In 2008, Global Research was awarded The First National Prize of the Mexican Press Club, for the "best Research website" at the international level.

1jola   
17 Feb 2009
History / Irena Sendler, the "Female Schindler," Portrayed in CBS Movie [17]

Eagle20, The title of your thread is offensive. How would that sound? Oskar Schindler, the "Male Sendler."

There is no comparison. Sendler was a true hero; Schinler was an opportunist.

Irish political party in Poland.

What is that?

It is surely a sad day when the Irish political party in Poland. has five times (so far) as much interest as the story of this remarkable Polish lady.

In Poland, our lives do not revolve around the so called Holocaust.
1jola   
17 Feb 2009
History / Col.Jozef Swiatlo-Secret agent, torturer, CIA-collaborator to be tried? [145]

1jola: Given your recent liberty with quotes, you should be more careful. I didn't say that, a historian said it. It was a miracle that all 500 were not Jewish.

Yes a historian did say it. And then you portrayed it as a statement that only Jewish Poles were torturers.....

You are truly dense, sir.

So I repeat:

And your point for emboldening the text was?

So you could draw some conclusions.

That there was only one Jewish person out of 500 is not actually that surprising or miraculous as many did Polish Jews did not join AK and NSZ etc., as they believed them to be virulently anti-semitic

Were they? There were Jews even at the command level. What formations did the Jews join then? NKVD?

These 'prisoners' were mainly former AK, NSZ, WiN and successor organisations were they not?

Yes, they were. They fought for independent Poland. In your twisted mind they were anti-semitic. They were anti-communist.

I don't understand why 1jola has such a downer on communists' Polish Jews

I hate communists, full stop.

... and now they (communists) have all gone

Where have they all gone? Cuba?
1jola   
16 Feb 2009
History / Col.Jozef Swiatlo-Secret agent, torturer, CIA-collaborator to be tried? [145]

I could have pasted in the note as you have done

...but because the explanation didn't suit your 'argument', you didn't.

your assertion that Polish Jews had control of communist security apparatus

So what is your assertion? They were persecuted because they were Jews?

1jola: Almost all victims described below were ethnic Poles and Catholics, save for a single Jewish man.

And your point is?

Given your recent liberty with quotes, you should be more careful. I didn't say that, a historian said it. It was a miracle that all 500 were not Jewish.

they found many eager Polish collaborators.

Maybe this is the bit you have difficultly swallowing...

Why would I have difficulty?
The only difficulty I have is with those hidering their prosecution. It sounds like it is you who would look in their pants. All should be punished, or should the Jewish ones not be punished because they are Holocaust survivors?
1jola   
16 Feb 2009
History / Col.Jozef Swiatlo-Secret agent, torturer, CIA-collaborator to be tried? [145]

Or do you have any proof that any of the people working for the Polish state in the 1940s, 1950s or 1960s described themselves as 'Jewish'?

It's a fact. Under Narodowość some put down Żydowska.

Evidence would suggest that no communist would call themselves religious.

You are observant and perceptive, in your own way.
1jola   
16 Feb 2009
History / Col.Jozef Swiatlo-Secret agent, torturer, CIA-collaborator to be tried? [145]

We can read:No thinking required-seems it's all in 1jola's selective copy and pasting :-)

I'm out milk, but here is a biscuit,

Since you are quoting from the same article I quoted from, you know that I have read the article. Here is the article again:

As for the perpetrators, although the Soviets led the way,[55] they found many eager Polish collaborators. Although no thorough search has been undertaken in the secret police personal files nationwide, the evidence accumulated here suggests that most of the functionaries of the Communist terror apparatus were ethnic Poles of lower class origin. The witnesses mention but a few Jewish Communist perpetrators.[56]

The little 56 means a note. You have to scroll down to read it. It says:

[56] This seems to have been the case especially in the countryside but to a lesser extent on the central command level. See Chapter Six, "The Local Elite under Soviet Rule, 1944-1947," and Chapter Eight, "Ethnic Minorities under Soviet Occupation, 1944-1947," in Marek Jan Chodakiewicz, Between Nazis and Soviets: A Case Study of Occupation Politics in Poland, 1939-1947 (Lanham, MD: Lexington Books, 2003)

From the same author:

In our sample below we have documented more than 500 cases of torture. Almost all victims described below were ethnic Poles and Catholics, save for a single Jewish man. One hundred and fifty four victims are identified by name, including 21 women. Most of the victims of torture, except for some of the youngest ones, were involved in both the anti-Nazi and anti-Communist struggle from 1939.

Besides, this deals with interogation. This doesn't:

As Professor Krystyna Kersten has noted perceptively, the independentist insurgents and the parliamentary opposition were the chief "reactionaries." Significantly, "reactionary" was synonymous with "bandit," "traitor," "fascist," "Hitlerite," "anti-Semite," and "Jew-killer." Whoever killed Jews was not just a traitor, but also "an agent of Hitler." Anybody who opposed the Communists was also a potential "Jew-killer," or at least could be accused of such terrible anti-Semitic deeds, and, hence, branded "a Nazi collaborator."

Now, remember that notes are important?

46] This propaganda ploy therefore required that the Communists effusively play the role of the sole protectors of the Jewish people. On April 17, 1949, the head of the proxy regime in Warsaw, Bolesław Bierut, cynically informed a visiting Jewish-American delegation that "killing a Jew is ten times more of a crime than ordinary killing" and vowed to punish severely anyone responsible for crimes against the Jews. See Joseph Tenenbaum, In Search of A Lost People: The Old and the New Poland (New York: The Beechhurst Press, 1948), 227.

Now, what were we talking about?

We should call people what they call themselves? Good idea. Now we have agreed that no Polish Jews were involved with the Party or the security services post-WWII. Religion was not compatible with Stalinism...

You seem to be under the impression that all Jews must be religious; they seize to be Jewish if they don't believe in God. Is that right, genius? And we haven't agreed on anything yet, but your logic is lacking.
1jola   
15 Feb 2009
History / Col.Jozef Swiatlo-Secret agent, torturer, CIA-collaborator to be tried? [145]

1jola: But wait, let's just call them Poles, what the heck. Here are some other famous Poles

Yes at last! Lets call them Polish if Poland is where they were born.

It's not important what we call them; it's important what they call themselves. Do you think Abe Foxman calls himself a Catholic Pole?[big smile]

Would these be the Polish Jews you said were in control of the communist state

I believe I said the Soviets were.

I am saying all involved should be have been brought to trial.

And I am saying what?

I am also questioning why only Helena Wolińska's extradition seems to have been so vigorously pursued yet no else seems to have been?

Maybe you have an idea why and would like to share it. I'm listening.

How many extradition warrants were made to Israel?

Have you ever heard of anyone extradited from Israel?
1jola   
15 Feb 2009
History / Col.Jozef Swiatlo-Secret agent, torturer, CIA-collaborator to be tried? [145]

Oh, dear. Just as I thought the warm milk would help.

You have no answers as to why those accused of Feildorf's murder have never been brought to trial though they live(d) openly in Poland whereas years were spent trying to extradite just one person from UK.

You are not listening. They are reluctant to prosecute anyone. The question who is Jewish has nothing to do with it. There hasn't been a government yet that is willing to bring justice to communist crimes.

You imply that because they were 'Jews' (your term not mine) they were not touched?

This you'll have to show me.

So what about those non-Jewish Poles that were invoved in Fieldorf case - you imply that there weren't any! Which stretches credibilty to the nth degree, even for soemone as thick as me.

Stop abusing yourself. List the names and we will have a look.

sjam: 1jola:
For starters, Swiatło wasn't a Pole, he was a Jew.

1jola: [quote=1jola]
the worst of the Holocaust "survivors" we had. Oh, BTW, 37% of MBP cadre was Jewish.

then these crass statements deserves response.

These are not crass statements, they are facts. But wait, let's just call them Poles, what the heck. Here are some other famous Poles:

Menachem Begin - the sixth PM of Israel was Polish.

In fact, the first PM of Isreal was Polish - David ben Gurion.

Another Prime Minister of Isreal - Yitzak Rabin- a Polak.

The President and PM of Israel - Shimon Peres - Polish.

My favorite Polak is Abe Foxman of the ADL, a nice boy from Baranowicz, fighting anti-polonism. Did you know that "Foxman was baptized into the Roman Catholic Church as Henryk Stanislas Kurpi, and raised as a Catholic..."

I hope you have a sense of humor.

But which party was in government during the years of extradition proceedings against Helena Wolińska?

SLD-the communists, for the most part, with the elected communist president mgr.Kwaśniewski. Now, I don't think that Kwas was prosecuting poor Wolińska because she was Jewish. Ater all

"[Conversation with Aleksander Kwaśniewski, Chairman of the European Council for Tolerance]

Media have informed about the establishment by the European Jewish Congress of the European Council for Tolerance, which you are heading. What will the Council deal with?

Under the new and improved communistst the extradition was sought. Why they chose to ignore others, I don't know. I can only suspect that they all worked toghether at one point or another, but even if not, they would like to let the dogs lie.

I hope you are not saying in all this that she deserved to be left alone.
1jola   
15 Feb 2009
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]

That's good to hear :0 cultural bias more than anti-Semitism, true. As I said, Poles don't think about Jews that much.

You visit websites like that one? Why? The guy is an idiot, don't you think?

"Some Polish underground organization like the NSZ, existed for the sole purpose of killing the Jews hiding in the forest."

"Generally, In Poland the rate of survival of the Jews was abysmal, about 1 percent only, compared to 75 % in France"

There is lots of other drivel, but it's not even worth my time.
1jola   
14 Feb 2009
History / Col.Jozef Swiatlo-Secret agent, torturer, CIA-collaborator to be tried? [145]

It would be fair to say that even Poland doesn't give up its own criminals living openly in Warsaw and until recently still living on good pensions... what a joke!

Maybe not a joke, but shameful. Why do you think it is so?

I am so glad you are not my secretary because you have no answers to even the simplest question of your opinion on how many perpetrators in the Pilecki state murder (listed by the IPN as being involved) you think are Polish Jews?

I have no idea. You seem obssessed with Jews, though.

sjam: there hasn't been a right wing Parliment yet

Isn't PiS center-rightist conservative party

When had Poland a right wing government in 1989-2009? When you answer that question, you will stop asking stupid questions why haven't they prosecuted communist crimes.

or maybe you have in mind for Poland a resurgent anti-semitic, anti-communist...

Anti-semitic, no, anti-communist, very much so.

Again, you need to get over the Jew thing. Maybe some warm milk will do.

Well, then, why were they going only after Wolińska?