News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]


No problem with that at all, as long as it is extended to every immigrant. But you don't think it should be:



Regardless of how many crimes in Germany are committed by Poles, why do you think they should receive a different punishment to Turks, Aabs etc? Can you not see how this could be deemed a racist position to take?


I think the answer to the above is obvious.

Why doesn't Germany curb immigration from the countries in question? Why doesn't Germany base it's immigration criteria on employment skills? Why doesn't Germany punish its criminals properly? Why do European countries accept asylum seakers at all? There is clearly a problem (as there is in Britain), and these are the questions which need to be adressed. The answer is not to implement racist policies which discriminate against current citizens of the country.

Crack down on crime, immigration etc by all means, but the moment you start creating laws which discriminate against your own citizens (3rd generation Turks for example) based purely on their religion/ethnicity, then you are playing a very dangerous game. I would have thought this would be obvious to you given Germany's recent history!


If you are honestly suggesting that the following explanation of British immigration policy holds merit then... well... I despair.

News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]


Well I guess you can answer my hypothetical question then?


I support immigration/asylum reform as do many Brits I'm sure. Peronally I just refuse to do this by promoting laws which disriminate based on race. It's really a very simple concept.


You have just surpassed yourself HB. I honestly didn't think you could post anything more stupid than some of the sh1t you have already come out with but congratulations, you just have.

News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]


That figure is clearly rubbish, but let's role with it. You believe that an entire family (clan)should be deported if one family member breaks the law? Would this proposed law extend to the tiny majority of white German criminals (the 1% if you like), or is it a law based on discrimination?

What if a family of Poles (say 3 generations) comes to live and work in Germany, and the 18 year grandson old is caught with a small amount of cannabis (a clear breach of the law)? Should the entire family be deported back to Poland? What if the same situation was applied to a family of Turks?

News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]


I like it Sokrates, although it's a bit unusual to promote a law which would see yourself locked up for 25+ years. I guess you must enjoy the thought of all that shower time.


I can't quite work it out. He's either being serious and is therefore one of the most ignorant people I have ever encountered, or he is on a total wind-up and the joke is on us! I would like to think it's the latter but I suspect not.


If you want to debate something without making racist slurs then go ahead. I could debate/b1tch about immigration, asylum and abuse of the benefits system all day without turning it in to a race issue.


Why not extend this law to everyone in Germany? Deport all of the scum? Or just deport the brown scum?

News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]



Your original point (quoted) made no reference to violence, only conversion. I merely posted an article about Christians trying to convert non-Christians in the UK. Why do you have a problem with Muslims doing this but not Christians? For a non-religious person like myself, a Christian trying to convert me would be just as annoying as a Muslim doing so.

If your point was purely about conversion through violence then I wholly agree with you; It should not be tolerated. I would also point out that if you are actually suggesting that forced conversion to Islam through violence is a common practice amongst the 2 million or so Muslims living in the UK, then you are a complete idiot with no knowledge of your subject matter. Surely you weren't suggesting that Sokrates?


What about a hard working Muslim who respects the law of Poland and contributes to society like any other decent person? What if he is a doctor who comes to Poland and works saving Polish lives? Is he welcome? If not, Why not? Because he doesn't celebrate Christmas?

I hate bigoted religious fundamentalists as much as the next person. I have no time for Sharia Law and oppose its introduction to British society. I do not agree with arranged marriages (although some perceptions of them are completely wrong), and I think the sort of people who picket soldiers homecoming parades are the scum of the earth. I also despise people who discriminate against homosexuals based on their backward religious beliefs (that one isn't just restricted to fundamentalist Islam). Despising the above is completely different to pigeon-holing an entire group of people based on the idea that they all conform to the above. Quite simply put: Not all Muslims are backward fundamentalists.

Come to East London Sokrates, I can introduce you to a number of decent Muslims who work hard, respect the law and integrate in to society. Granted they probably wouldn't want to spent so much as 5 minutes with a horrible little rascist such as yourself, but who could really blame them?


I think this hits the nail firmly on the head. It's got nothing to do with culture. I have clearly demonstrated that our cultures are completely different, yet you would accept me in Poland because I am white European (actually my great-grandfather was a Jew so I guess you probably wouldn't welcome me). It simply boils down to skin colour which simply makes you a racist. You try to justify your views by somehow suggesting that every Muslim has a ton of semtex under their bed, waiting to carry out Allah's commands, but once again, only an idiot would believe that.

There are people in the UK who believe the Polish are inferior based on misonceptions about their culture. These people are no worse than you.


You completely miss my point. The respective languages may have some similarities, but that does not act as a cultural bond. I could not hold a conversation with my girlfriend's parents when I went to Poland at Christmas. Aside from understanding the odd word/phrase, they might as well have been speaking Bengali to me.

News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]


Muslims? So your media example speaks for the entire Muslim population?

How about I take my example of the prick in Oxford St, (anyone who has been there will know who I'm talking about) and use that as proof that all Christians try to convert people?

While we're at it: timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5711595.ece


What if some mad Catholic started preaching that contraception does not prevent AIDS? Would you beat the sh1t out of him? No, you encourage these savages.

You are bigoted hypocrite and you can't even see it.

Have you ever been to the UK?

News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]


My grandmother was a Catholic but I am not. Christianity was an integral part of British culture but not these days. I, like many Brits, have no meaningful cultural connection with Christianity whatsoever.


English and Polish are nothing like each other. How you can descibe


as a cultural bond is beyond me.


This is a relevant cultural similarity? My football team is called Renaissance, but that's about as far as it goes. Britain colonised the world, Poland was effectively colonised. How is that a similar history?


Having spent this Christmas in Poland, I know how different our respective celebrations are. We don't even celebrate it on the same day!!

Either way, arguing that you don't mind opening Poland's borders to Europeans, based on the fact that they celebrate the same festival, is a bit tenuous don't you think?


No it isn't (see above)


I believe in equality for homosexuals and freedom of choice in regards to abortion. I also believe that the use of contraception should be actively encouraged. Do you agree with me? Does the average Pole agree with me?


Sorry, I was under the impression that you have been to the UK. Obviously not. No Muslim has ever tried to convert me, and I know a hell of a lot of them. Funnily enough, the only people who have tried are Jehovah's witnesses and some prick on Oxford St with a megaphone, who has since been handed an ASBO for pissing shoppers off (He is a Christian btw).

Gone on, tell us the real reason why you prefer "native" Europeans...

News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]


So all "native" Europeans share a similar culture? Utter garbage as per.

Love / Where did you meet your Polish other half? [33]

I met my Polish girlfriend at Covent Garden Station at 8:09 (she was 9 minutes late) on 22 February 2008.

We agreed to meet courtesy of some random correspondence on Facebook. I did not know her in any capacity prior to then!

It's a funny old world, and I no longer have a Fcaebook account!

UK, Ireland / Polish clubs / pubs in London [14]

Good call.

There is a popular place amongst Poles in Leytonstone, although I can't rmember where exactly. I will find out for you if you want.

UK, Ireland / Polish clubs / pubs in London [14]

Just don't take her to O'Neils... or Zulu's for that matter!

Love / Age difference in our relationship. I'm 41, my girlfriend is 27. Common in Polska? [57]


Is that the Polski Sklep next to The Walnut Tree? If so, good lad. She seems like a nice girl and helped me with my Polish bacon query a while back.


If she's prepared to invite you to meet the family, I shouldn't imagine there will be a problem.

Go for it.

News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]


Ever heard of Miles Davis, Marvin Gaye, James Brown, Louis Armstrong, Ray Charles, Chuck Berry, Nat King Cole, Aretha Franklin, B. B. King, Dionne Warwick, Al Green? The list is endless.


How many whites participate in the final of the Olympic 100 Metres?


Was that a reference to the general height of black men or just an embarrassing attempt at spelling hire?


It makes perfect sense to anyone with an ounce of intelligence. Are you saying that you support affirmative action in this case? Should white men be hired as atheletes, even if they are inferior?


It shows.

History / Where did the stereotype of Polish people being stupid come from? [131]


In exactly the same way that if an American newspaper makes derogatory references to the French, it is a one-off example which does not reflect the true attitude of the US people, but if a British media outlet publishes an Anti-American piece, it is indisputable proof of the anti-Americanism which is ingrained in British culture.

Don't waste your time Bratty, the double-standards espoused are there for all to see.

History / Where did the stereotype of Polish people being stupid come from? [131]


Apparently it's also an English thing. Or maybe British? I'm really not sure, either way, it's ingrained in our culture.

UK, Ireland / What is in Poland that England doesn't have? [142]


Are you saying the Polish have bad teeth?

I am now registered to a dentist in Czestahowa, it's great, although getting there is expensive!


I was waiting for that response!! ;-)

UK, Ireland / What is in Poland that England doesn't have? [142]


Easily accessable, reasonably priced dentists

Good job I have nice teeth (and a Polish dentist).


There are plenty in England.

News / Dealing with constant insults against Polish [323]


Didn't they try to claim that they knew the squadron was Polish, but still chose to use it as the Spitfire itself was British?

Either way, they didn't exactly come out of it with much credit.

UK, Ireland / Poles claim UK benefits after working only one year instead of going home [156]


A child in this situation is more likely to be benefit dependent, as it is all their family has known. This benefit culture is a way of life for some. Aside from educate, what more can the government do to change this attitude? They can stop paying benefits, but this is will most likely lead to an increase in negative social externalities such as an increased crime rate, homelessness, child poverty etc.

There is a new government scheme designed to get Incapacity Benefit claimants back in to work (or at least prevent them from being "signed off for life"). It's called Employment Support Allowance and involves regular work capability assessments. Will it work? Who knows. I have a feeling it will essentially just be Incapacity Benefit with another name.


True, but we are members of the EU, and therefore citizens of member states are entitled to claim here, as long as they satisfy the HRT. The restrictions are for A8 countries, meaning there are more barriers for them to claim (i.e. they have to register to work, and work for a year prior to claiming).

There are loads of German, Spanish, Italian people claiming benefits in Britian, but British people also have the right to claim in their countries. I'm pretty sure that if I moved to Germany and satisfied the authorities that I was habitually resident, I would be able to claim benefits, despite never having paid tax there. Maybe someone who is familiar with the German benefits system could confirm as much?


Ditto, but like I said, it's easier to pick holes than to find viable solutions.

Love / do polish girls consider a english man a good catch ? [126]

What's the nicest possible way of threatening a women?


Lol - I don't think mail-order is the best starting point for a balanced relationship!

Love / do polish girls consider a english man a good catch ? [126]


Where abouts in London do you live? I think some of my friends would be interested in moving ;-)


I don't know of too many examples so it's difficult to pass judgement. I tend to think my girlfriend is with me despite the fact that I am English!

UK, Ireland / Poles claim UK benefits after working only one year instead of going home [156]


Not at all. As I said:



I was referring to means tested benefits.


Not true, that only applies to means-tested JSA (Income based). JSA (Contributions based) is non-means tested, payable for 26 weeks maximum, and is based on NI contributions:


I think he was suggesting that benefit entitlement should somehow depend on how much tax your parents paid. I merely used my old man as an example of how silly this concept is. The fact that he was successful is not to my credit, which actually helps to illustrate my point!


So If I was made redundant after working for two years, I would be entitled to benefits? But if someone who had been working for the same amount of time, but whose parents were unemployed was made redundant, they would not be entitled? That is ridiculous.


We do. I was enquiring as to whether you would prefer uneducated Poles or highly educated, skilled people from "certain other minorities". Well?



We've been through this and you post far more frequently than me. I paid my first visit to this site just before I finished work at 4:30. I made one post (which was benefit related anyway) ;-). What about you? I don't deny that there is to some extent, an unproductive culture in parts of the Public sector, but I am pretty good at my job and work hard enough. Am I wasting tax payers money by being here... well technically yes. Are you stealing from your company by doing the same... yes. You shouldn't throw stones from that glass house of yours ;-)


That maybe true. I'd also point out that Muslim women are far less likely to become teenage mothers than white, indigenous women. Just think of all that Income Support, Child Tax Credit, CHB, Housing/Council Tax Benefit.

Not that I actually care, but seeing as you like blaming everything on particular minority groups and all.


Don't get me wrong, our benefits system could be improved in many ways. But as with many problems, it's easier to pick holes than to find improvements. We have a benefits culture problem, and the current legislation doesn't effectively address the situation. It's all about finding a balance, which is easier said than done.


I totally agree.


Yeah, but it was a bit of a silly idea. Don't take it personally.


I don't live off my old man and I don't work in a dole office.


True, just as it encourages teenage pregnancy... House, benefits... if you don't need to work then why would you bother? Like I said, identifying the problem is one thing, introducing effective legislation to deal with the problem is another.

UK, Ireland / Poles claim UK benefits after working only one year instead of going home [156]


The welfare state simply does not work like that - it can't. There will always be people who pay more than they take and vice-versa. Are you suggesting that you should only be entitled to claim an amount of benefit based on your NI contributions? If so, what's the point of paying NI? Surely the government should ablolish it, and allow people who are earning to save for their own rainy day? Those who have never earned (including disabled people) should be left with nothing?

A great number of benefit claimants claim IS/JSA(IB) from their 16th birthday to retirement age with full HB/CTB, CHB and Tax Credits to boot. These people are net benefiters from the system, in fact they will never contribute. The person who earns £150,000 a year and never claims these benefits is a net contributor, they will never take. That is the welfare state.


If you have been making NI contributions continuously for 6 months then you are entitled to contribution based JSA for 6 months (i.e. you can receive benefit regardless of your partner's income or your capital/savings). After that, it is means tested. If you satisfy the criteria you will receive the benefit. Do you think that someone who has £500,000 in the bank but has worked for 20 years should continue to receive JSA indefinitely?


In the case of A8 countries, the applicant must have registered to work and been in employment for a year. If they meet this requirement and are made redundant then they ARE entitled, as long as they satisfy the right to reside, HRT etc.


LMFAO - You honestly think that benefit entitlement should be determined by the amount of tax your parents paid? My old man was a director of a massive company and paid more tax than I will ever earn. He doesn't claim a state pension because he doesn't need to and doesn't want to, despite the fact that he is entitled to it, and has made the NI contributions. Should I be able to claim this? After all, he is my daddy ;-)


You are right, there are many hard working Brits, but also plenty who claim benefits. I should know! You shouldn't get so offended when people claim that "lots" of indigenous people are lazy, the fact is "lots" are.


What about the uneducated Poles?


Relatively few, most Poles come here to work. If they can't then they would rather live in Poland than claim benefits in the UK. Poles aren't the real problem, work-shy, unskilled, benefit dependents are. There is a benefits culture in this country which, despite what Shelley will tell you, transends race/religion.

Like I have previously said, I audit benefit claims for a living so I would know...

UK, Ireland / Poles claim UK benefits after working only one year instead of going home [156]

Tretos

Did you register to work in the UK?

UK, Ireland / Poles claim UK benefits after working only one year instead of going home [156]


Bore off.

Your fishing is of poor quality, especially as you know very little about the demography of benefit claimants in the UK.


I think you've answered your own, rather irrelevant question.

News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]


Shelley, it's pure fiction!! How could you possibly care? Did you know that Merlin's dragon is played by John Hurt? I mean they could have at least got a real dragon to play the part!!

News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]


I don't think that's possible Shell. If Poland had been involved in the slave trade their would be an abundance of roles available.

News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]


Hang your head, there's no place for such rational argument on PF. Propensity to commit crime is directly related to race, everybody knows that. It's only dishonest, leftist, liberal PCers who suggest otherwise.

Black people commit crime, it's in their blood. I wont have it any other way.


All kinds of men. Men account for 94% of the prison population of Britain and as...


...I was merely suggesting that men should be expelled from Great Britain. The statistics prove that it would substantially cut the rate of crime. Women could then go about their business without the fear of these savage men and their criminal culture.

It's only these dispicable, dishonest liberal PC types who believe that men and male culture should be allowed to flourish on these shores. They should realise that their actions have consequences, it's BS I tell you.

Man I hate those liberals.

News / Poland. Sold for nothing. [341]


If Poland has been sold so many times, who the hell keeps buying it?

News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]


I totally agree. Did you know that males account for 94% of the prison population of Great Britain. Animals the lot of them. I'd go as far as saying that British jails are like "Club Med" for men. Kick them all out of Britain I say...

Who's with me?