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This is a touchy subject, prob should just close, as much as there are people for it
theres people against it.

Ola, I understand what your feeling, but so does Guest. shes now older and
has much more to deal with for the rest of her life. we cant see the pain thru
a computer screen.

When I was 18 weeks I had the alphafetoprotein test, which was three times higher
then the normal, signaling something very wrong. the two main things that my
doctor said was Spina-bifida, and or downs.

spina bifida is devastating. you can still carry full term, but chances of the baby
living were grim. I had a amnio done, which showed some bleeding, and the
spine connected. they later told me all tests were fine.

had this been spina bifida, yes, termination of the pregnancy was thought of.

That was a very serious, stressful time, because I never believed I would ever
in my life think of abortion for any reasons what so ever.

I am Pro-life. Circumstances in our lives change how we would do things.
Guest had admitted her wrong, she is living with it, but who are we to say or
judge her actions, she was young, very unsure, and the father was not helping
her to make decisions together. nor did he sound very happy.

I for one remember the pain I felt when I was told this news of spina bifida.

the second time I felt such pain was when I was in a emergency room with
my daughter, whom was only a year after birth. watching them attempt to put
a iv in her head as every vein was blowing and her sugar was only 8 !

watching them bring a crash cart out as they were getting ready for cardiac arrest!

I never want to judge/hate, and sometimes we cant conceal our anger, but
My pain subsided, I still have my daughter , two lovely ones, and every time
I think of Pain /harm coming to them, I think I would not want to live.

so put yourself there for a moment, this is what guest is going thru. like so many
others who had to make these choices and now feel Pain/regret.

Now I go take a break, as I cant see from tears, sorry folks.

hugs.

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since when did you become her mother ola?

you know, theres alot of people who love to turn back time, change the clocks
do things they wished they had.

or simply live their lives differently now. this choose your own path is the same as
the white picket fence theory! it dont happen, we dont play the lottery and win
at every game we play, same goes for life.

if I walked my neighborhood, I am sure I would find many a skeltons in many
a closets. but Im not looking for that, nor would I condem someone for making
wrong choices, as this could be me someday saying this.

not bringing up the subject of religion again, but one of the reasons I didnt
go to church, as well as the others I stated in other posts was when I went
to get my daughter baptised catholic. the priest says, well we have to see you
participating, and coming for a while, and I asked Why? well because your
circumstances of having (my oldest) out of wedlock, we have to work on forgive
ness?

I was sick, and wanted to spit in his eye, forgiveness? from him?
I went home and spoke with my mom who was still alive , told her what
he said, and you know what her comment was (coming from a devout catholic)

Piss on him!

my point, Man-Women condem. not the good
man upstairs. The good book is about interpreting what you feel.

and if you feel it, you'll do right by him.

News / Countries in Europe where abortion is allowed/not allowed? [110]

well .her other options is to pull a loraina bobbit so that all the decision making
wasnt all her fault, come on ladies.

we as humans are not perfect.

she;s providing it as a learning tool so other young, immature girls/women wont
fall into the same situation she did. its a no brainer this was her intentions.

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she dont even agree with what she did, she is liveing with regrets, so keep on
her like she is not even human, like giles said, throwing stones.

ola, what good can you prove by repremanding her in her pain?

if someone was to approach me- tell me I am wrong, keep at me, of course
my defence would go up. more then likely that person would leave out
with a black eye.

why do they form support groups?

Another sign is that she came in here, she didnt say ha ha, I had abortion
and I just wanted to tell you that, I feel so good about myself and I want
all to know how happy I am with my husband who the father and is also
irresponsible.

NO, she came in with Pain still heavy. so drop some more bombs Ladies.

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:)

cas, always. you know, I am a bit sensitive at times, but I do have strong mind.
good today, all simmered down. no storms :)

News / Countries in Europe where abortion is allowed/not allowed? [110]


Were all never going to agree, most important is putting out the food for
thought.

I read some posts, and think wow. yeah, I could understand, but then other posts
I say, no fricken way...

today I feel pretty good. so if we cant agree. heck wit it.

lets all go to the pub!! lol

News / Countries in Europe where abortion is allowed/not allowed? [110]


Ola and A. come on.

Me and cas went at it long time ago. hes actually a really nice guy. as you two are
if everyone smiles and shakes hands I could build my picket fence!!!!

so shake hands!!! arghhhhhhh lol

trying to lighten the mood, I have to go to work.

hugs :)

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Giles. its hard to be in the middle. my thoughts are pro-life. but I was at that
door with my daughter. so ive seen both sides.

its very touchy subject. just gonna leave it at that and get my arse to work!

News / Countries in Europe where abortion is allowed/not allowed? [110]


its a really tough subject Iwona, I know my mom was very scared for me.

now I am going to tell people about my mom, dont anyone dis her, because
she is in heaven, but this story is true, much like guest. so please read and
only know this is to show that this happens now, and even before we were
all taught the ways of life.

my sister is my half sister, 1950 was a very impressionable time.
my mom fell head over heels for this man who claimed his age was 23 and he was
much older and on his way to getting married, she didnt have a clue to this.

so he talked her into things, she became pregnant, 1950 is a bad time to be
pregnant with the father no where in site.

so my moms friend, suggested her going to tennesee to have abortion.
people at work were relentless, second looks, making her look like she was
some kind of floosey, loose and no smarts. MY mom was just like any one of them
who would have fallen the same and had the same happen, only she became
unlucky (those Cackly B*$%HES ) so she told him I am pregnant, he said , I
am getting married (Devastation) , she said she cried for a long time. her
friend who helped her, they went to tennesee. when she got there, she said
I cant do this. I cant do it at all. she stayed overnight and took the first train
back home, my grampa who was waiting with gramma at the train station, picked
her up. spoke in Polish to her, we will take care together.

my mom all along thought no one wanted this. but even though she had help
she still went thru that moment of despair, what will I do, what will people
think , what will my parents do. the decisions she had to make when abortion
wasnt even safe for a dog let alone a human, but she came back with dignity.

she still faced guilt at work, and had to put up with staring, and when she
wanted child support, he took off with his new wife, who has a child -listen to this
same age as my sister! two months apart, my sister being older!

he moved away to tennesee, payed on my sister for one year back in 1951
and that was it, never a card, never seen her, never wanted to know her.
and claims hes a good Christian and when I tried to arrange a meeting with him
because all those questions always bothered my sister, does he look like me, do
we have same eyes, nose? etc. the sister (her sister from him) told me, my father
is a good christian man, we had heard that he had another child from some
other woman ( Other woman!! she has a name! ) and this conversation goes
no further then this phone call, I dont want to cause family pain.

Pain?? No worse then the pain my mom went thru for 53 years!
she made 20-25 cents a hour back then. she supported my grandparents on
what little she made, plus the scraps of govt money social security.
it was hard, she chose to take this on, and she made it, but she had times of
depression, she went thru rough times. so anyway, this story was meant
as a Learning tool, anyone disrespects my mom , trust me, she will haunt your
arse! shes told me that many times.

Moral of this story, he was a deadbeat dad! still to this day he will not
even say that he is her father. good christian my arse!

so, anyway, my other point along with this, is that this can happen to anyone
and when faced with these life changing events, what our actions will be, no one
can tell, we can feel very strongly about it, and never ever want to face this type
of situation ourselfs, but it can happen. we as women are very strong , compassionate
lovers, who once we find that man who makes us melt like butter, cant help but
to fall under that spell of he will always be here.

(pinch) big reality check! stressing again, Quote_ you never really know someone
even when you know someone. People change.. you know those famous words
we all have repeated " but but you said?

ok, Im done being inspirational for one night.
my fluffy pillow is calling. "sniff sniff" I will miss you guyz!!!

you will all be waking soon and I will be snoring!! lol

Love / Do u girls really like to get poems from men or it's rather overrated? [71]

are u trying to get advice for somone special?

because we are all different .

I am past poems, chocolate, and flowers.

when your married, its strait to the massage <~who said dat? :)

Love / Do u girls really like to get poems from men or it's rather overrated? [71]


Im not forgetting the importance, I was meaning instead of the
choc, flowers, poems.

ive never been very hard to please, flowers should stay in the earth and show
their beauty, candy although it is good, and addictive, I dont eat to many.
and poems are sweet, from the heart, yes that I could accept, but I want the
massage cant fault that one :)

lol ok to be not so difficult, a nice dinner for two, then go to the massage.. lol

Love / I need a Polish Bride website... [46]


u trying to skip the country? lol

or get extra tax money ?

Life / Are Polish People Racist? [1037]

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/6301679.stm

T burk and whoever else is young and or has young teens who they are teaching
to be Racists.

maybe you should read the news and see how many young /high potential children
teens faces manslaughter for learning to hate from people like you!!!!!!!!

The man they killed was a father of three. working to pay his way and care for
his family!! if you think this is right you need your skull examined!!

as for the Detroit incident, you must have been in the wrong place at the wrong
time, because when i go downtown, its fine, and there are cops all over controlling
traffic and or watching for trouble. everything is always fine, and no ones been
bothered. you act like you instigate trouble, so I am sure whatever you did to
prevoke it was on your part. most of the time its men (sorry to those who take
offense) who have huge chip on their shoulder and they start scenes who escalate
into huge riots in stadiums and such all over the place.

dont tell me you just were walking and it happened, because I dont believe that
and theres been plenty more started I am sure.

I go downtown all the time for my daughters sake and park in the parking garages
and take her to childrens and been to hockey games and to concerts ,auto shows
and always seen security , and the places we have parked, we always were fine
and baseball games end pretty late, so we walk to our cars. nothings ever
happened.

yes people do get jumped, but its always over someone acting stupid or drinking
and being beligerent! (sledz ignore this).

this is what is the result though of teaching young minds bad things.
so now they move on to bigger things in their lives like jail?

sometimes I wonder what posesses people to teach such crap, this was the
result of stupidity , and no one can deny that, now they will have no lives and will
rot in jail all because there are people who tell them to believe this way instead
of forming their own opinion that everyone is human !!!

I hope you change your views before you have children , because this could be
your sons going to jail and what are you going to do then? tell him is ok cause
daddy says so??

and the man who died will never get to teach his children anything, but of
course they learned this now too, so I am sure the domino effect will happen
because these children now will face things at school, and what do you think they
will learn is nothing but revenge because of the hell they had been put through
and who wins from all of this??

no one.

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I agree with you , and with them, my only beef with this post of wanting to
have a child is, there is proper ways to do it and not jump on a forum which
is clearly about Polish things. so how did they get to this site looking for a
serrogate mother?

they didnt ask for a polish serrogate mother, they posted they are living in london
and looking for one.

I would think that there are places /clinics what not that have people who
provide this. and in a more appropiate manner with screening and counseling
as well.

I have my own formed opinions which I would rather keep to myself but I do lean
more towards the mother/father traditional way of raising children because I think
this will confuse the child and there will be questions asked. how do things like that
get approached ? what effects does it have on other children who want to be
friends and the parents are against it? will the child feel isolated? discriminated
against growing up with gay parents? lots of things to think about that need
attention so that futures arent set up for disaster and or feeling of lonlyness and
if the schools will have problems with children becoming violent over this.

just alot of thought/thinking out to do before really taking the next step and alot to
do with community as well. Probably would look into things a bit further before taking
on such huge responsibility, physically and financially you might be prepared, but
mentally and emotionally you might not.

ok enough from Dr Patrycja. <~not.. lol

just my opinion.

Genealogy / Are there any Stachowski around? [21]

Hi Richard. what type of info you lookin for. do you know about ellis island?

P

Genealogy / Polish people and their ancestors - they are not interested in where they came from, and in their re [14]

koach, do what you need to do, I think now, if I would have asked when I was
18, I would have not had so much trouble finding my roots, when people were
able to tell me, alot was gone, because I didn't ask, I was to busy doing my own
thing which is fine, but it only takes a minute to ask a few questions which can
last lifetime. The history of a family will only die if we dont ask.

so keep it alive koach, ask away and keep gathering info. I am sure you have
time to balance both social and interests :) best of luck P

Life / Are Polish People Racist? [1037]


well golly gee, you go into a neighborhood that is notorious for it, and of course
we all know you dont like them, and then your car stalls <~bad. what do you
want?

in every city, everywhere, unless your out in the boonies, theres going to be
crime. I didnt say it was crime free. ive been to harpos as well, nothing happened
and we had a blast, it was of course head bangers ball. <~I dont think they
do that now, least I would have to check, what did you go see?

if you were to say you hated the guy that robbed you, of course understanding
would come along with it. yes there are alot of people who are messed up and
you do have to watch /be careful where you go. but hating the whole black
population over that is ridiculous. Im polish to, I have no problems with anyone
period!


dude I have seen white guys in my neighborhood, who look like pedifiles, and
i will wait for them to clear my street, and I will stare them down till they are gone

my point-anyone can be that. and my other point, make sure the cops get here
before I get to emm.

and sledz got robbed by three Polish guys the other night. hes ok but still
point is , this can happen to anyone and from any culture , so your points will
me hold no value, Ive seen it happen from all walks of life.

hopefully your smart enough next time to have more people with you and to
not go into neighborhoods which are bad. even the friends that I know will
tell you that. and they live there.

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really agree, were talking about another subject, dont be so sore bubba :)

besides, why are you bringing that up on another discussion?

Genealogy / Are there any Stachowski around? [21]

I will go take a look, while I am looking, if you can let me know where your
family went locally, example, they might be coming to New york, but their
actual destination would be cleveland . age (approx) helps, and first names :)

I will compile a list, if you join I can email. or you can email me once you join.

or I will write the names I find (if there is not to many) and type on here :)

one more thing, I see your in chicago. is that where your family has always been?

let me know. I took tomorrow off (dtrs sick) so we are taking it easy and
I should be able to look some .

Richard, I really need first names of your grandparents or parents.

and were you grew up, this helps because most of the time, families stayed
in same area when they came here. "most of the time not all".

but that would help, heres some results of the stachowski

50 results in the SSI
21 results in the us obits
29 results in the WWI drafts

119 in the 1930 cencus
107 in the 1920 cencus\
60 in the 1900 cencus
34 in the 1910.

so with no first names or even maiden names I cant find anything for you
because I dont know who they are.

more info is needed. if you want me to look, I will copy to you, but I dont have
your email, or names.

:) Patty

Life / Are Polish People Racist? [1037]

Hey My oldest is learning spanish, she took it this year in school for elective :)

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Its part of life, some of these men, have more female hormones and some women
have more male. its a make up of their human nature. this is proven fact.

I saw a documentary on a female who was born with male parts as well as her
own female. she had a operation to get the male part removed, because
there was more female hormones, but its basically the same minus the extra
parts for alot of people who decide when they are young how they feel and cant
help it.

wrong or right, it is the way they are born.

as for the aids thing, its how you -omg, this is something I hate to bring up
because its also my opinion as well as something I heard and I do believe theres
truth to it.

human body has places we should not interfere with. and you boys will
prob laugh, but having intercourse in the wrong area ( part of the immune system)
is why .

so maybe thats why its so rampant with Gays, people who share needles, and
those who have so much sex their eyeballs will fall out. but later will regret that
by their actions.

so anyway, my two cents - I can here the laughing. all i can say is be safe not
sorry.

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thanks admin for pointing out the location. :)

Life / Are Polish People Racist? [1037]


so Tburk, where is it that you live?

Detroit? suburbs?

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right, I try to keep my thoughts to myself, and really do good job most of the time
because even so I feel it isnt my place, I knew someone who was gay we used to
go out and dance, he was a total gentleman, very sweet, and deserved the best.

but, it was very hard to deal with some of the issues that came up during our
outings. but I learned from it.

# 1 he would stare at the same males I was staring at, it was hard for me to
catch someones eye to talk to them, because they did notice his extreme interest.

#2 he was so plowed, he would cry on my shoulder about how he wished he
could find somone, but going out to strait bars was not the answer and I
would comfort him, but I was in the same boat, so my problems were always
put aside. "always". Least until he found someone.

# 3 I went to a bar that he went to, and I finally understood how he felt, and
the discomfort was tremendous.

# 4 it made me think way too much what I saw, but I was a strait person and labled
as soon as I got in there, and so not only did I not have anything in common
with anyone who was in there, I felt alone.

but now, he has aides, he didnt use needles, he was just lonely,and did some
really stupid crap. my only problem with it is the fact that many dont use saftey
as their number 1 rule.

I guess, that isnt my problem unless if affects me personally, but I know one thing
is definate, my children will be well educated always!! constantly.

Feedback / my posts keep getting removed [14]

arien, if you mean the post of my sucky marriage, I did read and I did reply, the
admin did move all of our posts, and some other posts which prob got caught in
the move. so no big deal.

anyway, I hope your well and I saw what you wrote, Thanks for the kinds words

:)

Life / Are Polish People Racist? [1037]


who the hell goes anywhere at midnight?? lol, be realistic now.

and I dont get dropped off , I am not a girl of the streets. so no, I cant even
begin to answer that one, as I would not get dropped off anywhere at that time
anywhere away from home.

as for it being my world, its all our world, I told you , bad place, wrong place
wrong time, your blaming all blacks, I dont agree, so your trying to convince me
that your incident is the fault of all blacks, well sorry, not biting.


yeah, and you need some heavy psyco drugs to calm your scared little self
from all the boogie men who are out to get you.


ok, I work with all walks of life, and I live where I live because its where I grew
up. anything else ?

and I didnt insult you, was asking a question, but i see it hit home, poor poor you
dont go out at night, they might be watching you :) BOO!


Painful?? we didnt get jumped ole boy you did, so if anyone is having issues
its you, counseling is avail.


I care for people, and would never want to see anyone hurt. and no I dont
smoke and go out with flowers in my hands saying love and peace brother.

I work my butt off daily, and take care of my home and help where i can, when
I can.

so no you got me all wrong, People on here, who do know me and respect me
unlike you equally get my total respect and best wishes.

I do try to be as open minded as I can, but , really get annoyed at people who
promote hate. no one said you have to marry outside your preference, or you
had to like anyone, but if your one of those people who is public about their
hate , then you need some serious help. theres no excuse for it these days and
people are human no matter the skin color. so grow up. and get over your
self.

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Krysia, all i can say is LOL!!!

with all this, yes, we have to laugh, even at ourselfs, some subjects
should just be left alone, but take the good with the bad. we all
are allowed to form our own opinion, and nobody has to agree.

Part of life. :)

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it proves nothing, I cant answer something I would never do, but apparently you
do, so no wonder you faced such a incident.

anyone , especailly female going out into the night, theres a risk anywhere you
go. dont be stupid.

just to add to the above post, as a girl growing up, my father always said come in
before the street lights because theres crazys everywhere, and this was the way
I grew up, even in a white neighborhoods, there was serial killers killing young
college women, (not black) and also men trying to pick up young children (pedifiles)
and this is why I dont go running off at the mouth in places I shouldnt.

im trying to be understanding and nice, but your making it hard, because you
feel insult is your outlet to intelligence. sorry but you should have been smarter to
have been around more people in a neighborhood where problems are known.

so stop crying about it and move on.

and to add to what happened to you, yes it was wrong, and unfortunately
it happened, but if you knew this area is bad, and there are problems then
its always better to stay away from it. Detroit has been downsizing their force
for many years now, and its a no brainer that when you call for help, it takes
to long for it to get there. Im not happy with everything , I have my views, but
I dont blame it all on one nationality, and unfortunately society tries to teach
this , but we all must form our own opinions.

Life / Are Polish People Racist? [1037]

post # 755

this post is a reference as to how it can get out of control.

everyone can like or hate, but when it gets to that point where it becomes
physical, especially someone who was working . now those four will become
part of the system and all because of society.

some have formed opinions or had these opinions over one incident .

just like anyone who breaks the law, I agree with the criminal doing time.
but I wont be the judge sentencing the whole , when it was one mans actions.

I wish this could have been stopped/Prevented. maybe the solution is to ask
what people can do to prevent this. one life lost, and four wasted.

Life / Are Polish People Racist? [1037]


Yes, Hope that I never end up like you. hating everyone.


I see you do see there is exceptions, so you are hypocrite who just wants to
rant off at the mouth ehh? so I dont need to keep explaining that not all
are bad right.

let me see Aretha Franklin, Rosa Parks, martin luther, list goes on.

you can keep your formed opinion, I will keep mine.

I will say it again, you went to a bad area, and expected to be safe.
you dont like that someone told you, dont go in places like that alone.
everyone knows there are areas in cities you just dont go to.