UK, Ireland / Polish Education Grading and Uk Edu. Grading? [73]

Hello everybody,

Warsowian or Varsovian, I agree with you that we should keep in hand some English lang. certificate when we're hunting for some job but I do not assume that we should do GCSE in English. That's too far enough. Why? It's simply as 1,2,3. We are in European Union and that's why England opened for us their borders to let us to work here. If they did it they should assume there are many different education systems in the UE and they should accept them. If they don't, it means they think their education system is the best which is daydreaming. They're education system isn't the best. The next thing is that if english employers are so lazy to know a little bit more about something different that on the island only appears to be it's not my problem. Why is that different in the USA? I don't know but I know I was working a couple years in the USA and they haven't had any problem with recognition of polish education levels and certificates and they accepted them as much as they're own.

I've got Advance in English and I don't think I need they're GCSE. Not everything is GCSE. Many English language schools offer level based certificates from beginners to proficiency in English. What's about that? If I've got Advance it means I'm worse that GCSE? B...S...! GCSE is something like intermediate in English nothing more. So, Why should I do Intermediate if I've got Advance? Don't you think it's some kind of paradox?

---THIS IS FOR EMPLOYERS ONLY--- MAYBE NOW THEY WILL BE ABLE TO KNOW A LITTLE MORE ABOUT POLISH EDUCATION--- :)

POLISH QUALIFICATIONS EQUIVALENT TO ENGLISH :

Szkola Podstawowa - Primary school, starting at age 6 for 6 years

Gimnazjum - Lower Secondary School, from age 13 for 3 years, certificate awarded: Świadectwo ukończenia gimnazjum – equivalent to the British GCSE.

Entry to upper secondary schools depends on the satisfactory results in the lower secondary school. Students can then choose from a variety of upper secondary schools:

Szkoła Zawodowa - Basic vocational school, from age 16 for 2 or 3 years. Education includes school based practical training and periods of placement with employers. Certificate awarded: Świadectwo ukończenia szkoły zawodowej – equivalent to a British NVQ2.

Liceum Ogólnokształcące - General secondary school, from age 16 for 3 years, certificate awarded: Świadectwo ukończenia liceum ogólnokształcącego. Commonly known as “Matura” (Certificate of Maturity) – equivalent to British A-Levels.

Technikum - Technical secondary school, from age 16 for 4 years, certificate awarded: Świadectwo ukończenia technikum – equivalent to British A-Levels + NVQ3.

Liceum Profilowane - Vocational secondary school, from age 16 for 3 years, certificate awarded: Świadectwo ukończenia liceum profilowanego – equivalent to British A-Levels + NVQ3.

The Polish educational system was reformed in 1999. Prior to that it consisted of 8 years in primary school, then 4 years in a general or a vocational schools or 5 years in a technical school or 3 years in a basic vocational school. Graduates of the latter could pursue their education for 3 years in a technical school. All the certificates prior to 1999 are the same as those after 1999. Prior to 1999 compulsory education ended at the age of 18.

Students with satisfactory results from general secondary schools, technical secondary schools or vocational secondary schools can enter University-level education.

University-level education has a numeric system of grades from 2 to 5, with grades every 0.5. Grade 3.0 is the lowest passing grade and grade 5.0 is usually the highest. Grades 5.5 and 6.0 are sometimes given, in some universities, as an "exceeds expectations" grade.

The Polish titles that students can receives are as follows

UNDERGRADUATE (3 or 3½ years undergraduate study)
Licencjat – equivalent to a British Bachelor of Arts or a Batchelor of Science degree

Licencjat Pielęgniarstwa - studies in the field of nursery.

Licencjat Położnictwa - studies in the field of midwifery.

Inżynier (3½ to 5 years study) – equivalent to a British Batchelor of Science Engineering degree.

Inżynier Architekt - studies in the field of architecture and town-planning.

POST-GRADUATE (2 or more years post-graduate study)
Magister – equivalent to a British Master of Arts or a Master of Science degree

Magister Sztuki – studies in the field of fine arts.

Magister Inżynier - studies in the field of engineering.

Magister Inżynier Architekt – studies in the field of architecture and town planning.

Lekarz Medycyny – studies in the field of medicine.

Lekarz Dentysta (or prior to 30.04.2004 Lekarz Stomatolog) – studies in the field of dentistry.

Lekarz Weterynarii – studies in the field of veterinary medicine.

ACADEMIC DEGREES
Doktor (2 to 4 years of post-graduate study) – equivalent to a British Doctor of Philosophy

Doktor Habilitowany - is awarded to a person who holds a doktor's degree, has significant scholarly or artistic achievements and has submitted a thesis that has been reviewed, debated and defended (rozprawa habilitacyjna).

Profesor - the title of profesor is conferred by the President of the Republic of Poland. Equivalent to the British title of professor.

UK, Ireland / Why do Poles come to England? [514]

Lady in red
Totally agree with you. If i can add something I would say English people think a little closer to the horse with googles on their eyes that allows them to look only ahead but they don't see they're not alone on the planet and that's why they think they're the best but they're not!

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---Mister H---

I don't think Polish people do debts in your country. It is easy to say something about foreign citizens than about your own. I know many English people are in debts of thousand pounds on their credit cards. Polish rather do not take a large loans in your banks, do not cheat your mortgage system for terrible huge money that Polish couldn't even dream about. In my opinion the problem is in some part of English people. They think that their national treasure is neverending story and that they will be rich all the time, but unfortunately it's ended. Why it's simply, look at your history in the past. I know it's sad but it's time to work hard to build the future not only to consume! We Polish people want to help you with it but you trying to do everything what possible to not allow us to help you. Benefits, that's another thing. If you agreed for workers from Union Europe why not to pay them benefits if they pay you income taxes, work and live in your country. It was your choice not ours. So please do not blame others for it. If you think you are not a part of EU you should say good bye and keep your private life in your private hands, block all borders and assume others should do the same for you.

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Seanus
I'm just trying to say that we should work together on nowodays financial problems to find out. Why? As we know as today it is not possible to quarantine yourself from other countries and say i'm living on another planet. I don't think we are so much different in many ways or better from others. WE are really the same but we do not realise it yet. The past was the path of wars. We can not allow to follow that path in the future. We have got the same problems, we need food, money, even do sh.t and it's everywhere the same. We are just human beings and we should try to help each other not to try to drink others blood to satisfy own consumption. If we follow the war path we're earlier or later doomed and we can kiss all this .... and say good bye. Maybe next species on the planet will be more wise. AS you realise as we are living on one planet and nowodays in the age of information, tv, computers, fast travels and soon in the space age it's not possile to say English or Russian or Polish people are different and they haven't got the same bussiness to survive. We can do it only together. If we saty divided we can say good bye on the next World War 3. It will be the last one. Belive me. WE still can choose it's up to us. To work together or to die.

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ShelleyS
if you do so, than everybody in UE should do the same for you and say hasta la vista baby :)

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Seanus
that's right balance on whole planet not only in one country...

MareGaea
Please tell me what is wrong with listening older people? Trust me they're really right about many things they did wrong in the past but they would love to change. They can't. So, they're trying to advice us, young people. You still don't listen that's why many young people act like idiots because they just don't listen...but they should because it's our future, mine also. Fortunately, some of us listen. It's named respect not only for yourself but for others, especially for others.

Mister H
Say the same about middle-east nations like you're saying about Polish and you'll have a small home war because of their numbers in milions in the uk. Please treat Polish as friends not as enemy so they will treat you the same way. They really like you. I'm Polish and i like English people. Only some of them have got strange behaviour that they show around especially in current economic climat. Please don't be affraid of us. Let's try to sort this financial mess together. We helped you ones in 2nd Wolrd War and we didn't fail, but we must have a chance to show we are ok.

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Well done! In one word - the future generetion of slaves. They would be only good to work here in the worse kind of jobs and have no access to health services, education etc...etc.. just like animals, food and work... NO THANK YOU, MONEY IS NOT EVERYT5HING AND YOU CAN NOT BUY EVERYTHING FOR IT! IF IT'S YOUR VISION OF THE FUTURE OF EU GOOD LUCK AND PLEASE JOIN YOUR NATIONAL PARTY BODIES TO SUPPORT THEM IN WISE DECISIONS HOW TO CREATE SLAVES IN FUTURE EUROPE. ONE ADVICE, IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD BECOME REAL IN THE FUTURE, BE SURE 100% THAT ALL POLISH AND OTHER CENTRAL EUROPE CITIZENS WILL TAKE THEIR MONEY AND GOODS BACK WITH THEM AND YOU WILL BE IN NICE MESS WITHOUT THEM.

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Mister H
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Could you edit your last post so that I'm not included as it's not my post that you are replying too. Thanks :-)

Sorry for that, can't edit it again, anyway you agreed with it but i can not agree with being slave :) Pure logic isn't it?

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Mister H

What's about people who has worked here for over couple years? Like me 4 years now. Do you think I still shouldn't have access to your benefits if i need them, schools and health care? It's said now that if you're longer than 12mths you will get basics ( health care, benefith, housing and edu) like british people, but before that time you won't. So, what's wrong with it?

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Don't worry about it they won't. As I said before, we work here, we would like to live here for the rest of life because we hope you will accept us like your own citizens. If you agree for diabolic plans we will get back to Poland because better is to be a little less rich but not to be a slave. Next thing is if you count all central europe people who works here it's milions count them by their goods and savings here and you will get nice sum of cash they can take out from here to their origin countries and your economy may be in trouble, big trouble. The sword is edged on both sides. Pure logic. As I said we can make it together but not alone

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You mean doing slaves hiding facts about it. I think it's slowly happening...but there's one thing you may overcalculate :)

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Seam Beam it wasn't to you...lol...i definitely agree with you...this was to Derek Trotter. I'm a little lost with these quotes :) -------You mean doing slaves hiding facts about it. I think it's slowly happening...but there's one thing you may overcalculate :)-------

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laddy

You point is you are strong because of money. My point is money is not everything and it will never be and you will never be only one ruler. And trust me there is a thick line to break it and to mess everything around you. Money won't help at all in that situation. It will make this situation even worse. The most thing we all now need is respect and understanding. We should help- each other rather than fight each other. We've fought over thousands of years and many people died. The next fight if it becomes real will be the final one and nobody survive no matter if it's rich or poor existence. Power and harm use of money won't help!

By the way look at the Universe and you will see the real ruler and power. We're just the dust that may disapear in seconds. Why not to help each other then? Why to fight, brothers against brothers? We are one race on the one planet, we should work like one big machine but we don't. Does it make sense to say we are worth to survive while we kill each other to getting goods, but goods are in real for everyone if only we understand that we all are one?

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derek trotter
Why Polish schools should be private in Poland? Are all English schools only private in England? You working on it? If you are English you have nothing to do with Polish schools darling. The same we Polish we have nothing to do with yours.

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To everybody...About benefits received by Polsih family members from the UK. It's true. Some Polish people do this. They just work in England, their kids live in Poland and they are getting child benefits for them here because they work here. Question is if they should or shouldn't? I understand that I work here in England my family is here, kid, wife and I take Child benefits here. It's clear situation but receiving child benefits here on ours kids in ours countries - other than England , it's some misunderstanding. I'm Polish but I think it would be more fair to get benefits only if your kid is here with you. You are living here or there. Easy to understand and I don't like it some Polish people uses that way to get money for their families in Poland, it's not fair. By the way it's only possible to get Child and Tax benefits. JSA and housing benefits you can not cheat that way.

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SeanBM
because my kid is with me and if you are under 25k/ year per person everybody can get help like this, of course living in England

probably yes, i have read on HMRC that it's nearly 50k together to get a couple ponds a week.. how much you get it's based on simply income calculation. IF less you earn than more you get...example if you earn 14k/year and your wife earn 10k/ year - part time you will get around 200/4 weeks per one child, child tax benefit only... Many people works in families - one full time , another part time - ( mostly mother) to not pay huge money for chilcare services which ruin families, that's realy pain in England, for one child you pay around 20-25 punds/hr of childcare services that's horrible expensive that's why one of parents works part time. Next thing is I don't want to allow to feed my kid with fast food solutions which are the only one option to healthy style of living in here's childcare centres. There were a couple news about this terrible fact of feeding kids just by giving them chocolate bars in BBC.

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probably yes, i have read on HMRC that it's nearly 50k together to get a couple ponds a week.. how much you get it's based on simply income calculation. IF less you earn than more you get...example if you earn 14k/year and your wife earn 10k/ year - part time you will get around 200/4 weeks per one child, child tax benefit only... Many people works in families - one full time , another part time - ( mostly mother) to not pay huge money for chilcare services which ruin families, that's realy pain in England, for one child you pay around 20-25 punds/hr of childcare services that's horrible expensive that's why one of parents works part time. Next thing is I don't want to allow to feed my kid with fast food solutions which are the only one option to healthy style of living in here's childcare centres. There were a couple news about this terrible fact of feeding kids just by giving them chocolate bars in BBC.

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Seanus
This gets not only Poles but British either...Some British has got kids living in Spain and they get benefits for them here. Same situation...I think benefits should be to all entitled people living only here in the UK

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Seanus
I just don't like to cheat...Sorry for key mistakes :) So much to say So quick to type :) Anyway I think that If i'm living here in England I should be fair for English system because i live here and I will live here if situation lets for the rest of my life...but there's so many problems around that has been created by unhonest people that we have to face it and sort it out together because we live here. It's not just because I'm P{olish you are British...etc...etc but it's because it's our own problem ...If we don't sort it it will be real mess and all of us will be kicked out of their right...because if the govs money are gone nobody will get help...that's what happened in Poland but Polish govs f... their own people.

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YesBritishEmpire


Yes, I agree that's the main problem. Income levels. The problem appears to be provided by brotherhood of employement agencies in this country. They offer the same jobs like english companies but for less, even worse they offer the same jobs in the same companies for less. It makes the job market in England worse and the effects of this are slowly supporting English people who are treated the same way. It's just big agencies problem and I think that all employement agencies which offer work on ongoing contracts withour any rights to be or not to be, these agencies should be delegalised in this country. We all should work directly for employers. Some employers loves the idea to swap their human resource departments with agencies because they do not have to give you contract and right money for your work but it makes the job market bloody unfair not only for foreign citizens but also for you English people.

The next cancer in your system is the fact of not being invided by Polish People but of being invided by Middle - East nations. You can count them in your country in 10 milions or more. They slowly and surely are creating their own country with their rules inside of yours. You just don't see it yet. They build their own sanctuaries inside of your cities. Isn't it some kind of invasion? We other UE states citizens are not in so many numbers like Arab brothers are here? Even worse they get access to the same rights like we or you and much much worse they manage some of your financial institution here and I'm sure they quietly do their job to 'help you' because you fight against their origin countries. Are they friedns or we are? Answer yourself by listening your logic. Some of them don't pay for public transport because they've got one benefit more that we or you English either. How ironic is that that you don't see that and you allow them to eat your country on their brekfast?

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You just haven't read what i have told here! I said for all entitled people. If you agreed to give the same rights to EU citizens like for your own, you should accept this fact and law. I agree that benefits should be given only for people living in England.


I'm not foreigner I'm EU citizen that's the difference. Please better take care about your brothers from Syria and about employement agencies making mess on your job market :)

Read below what i think about it.

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Nobody says that child benefit in Poland is 53 or 54 zl/ child / month which is 10 pounds/mth...funny money but yes it's fraud if you take benefits in both countries, should be prosecuted. Doesn't make any sense to apply for polish super benefits while you're working and living in the UK and face prosecution ? I'm 100% sure it's stupid and irrational.


We could tell the same about Brits but we don't. I mean EU citizen means nothing for some English people. Ignorance is not the solution! I understand that some people need more time to change their nationalistic behavior but there's no place for nationalists in nowadays world. They had their word in 1939.

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What's about UK residents with rights they've got now? Take them all these rights back. If I understand and remember there wasn't such a case that the law allows to take any rights back before the new law is in power? It would be problem because it could create better foreigners before a new law age who gets all their benefits but a new foreigners don't get it even they're from the same country. Really good solution to make masters and slaves class. About your Polish friend. She doesn't have to apply for anything since 2004 because she is from EU now.

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well if it becomes true, you will lose more than you think, we will just take back all our money saved here, count it and you will have 30% less in your pocket than now you have.


The Government should reduce first benefits for 10 millions or more people from deep east who really supports you in your war against them. Leave real alliances in peace. Take advantage on real mess makers.

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If you don't give me a chance to become your citizen with full rights to live, exist and improve why should i stay? to clean your back...for less and to be a 2nd class citizen or even better for you some kind of animal you would get as cheap as only possible. What do you expect? I want to stay here but if times get worse because of super brothers from next door we need to adapt. This is named as flexibility. Believe me you would do the same if somebody would act against you that way. My first mind to come here was to stay here but many English people do as much as they can to not become it real. I'm still thinking my old way, money is not all at all.

What's about east-midlands brotherhood inside of your own country? Do you think you're save with them in so many numbers, especially proceeding your military actions against them?


How many is born here and how many came here from outside? I think the numbers say it is the real nightmare. Example: One of them is born here , whole his family is here. Of course Deep east brothers are the best in that.

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Good point. Fully agree with that. Long way to get it, especially when we have got some people with one direction thinking. It will be long long time...to become like the USA if the E.U. survives. The oone thing I'm worried about is that everybody is a friend in good times , in bad times everybody shows strange behaviour to show the bad things.

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Yes I do. I've got only 1 year to wait until finally i reach 5 years of living here. I'll become English citizen and I"ll be Polish citizen either and you will be able to do nothing with me and my family :)

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That's radiculous what I've read here. You should be treated the same way as Polish. Get damn help from our lazy doctors. That's why so many Polish is here because there are some cases that Polish in their own country have got problems with getting not only health services but also with right wages, etc etc.. Our politics and whole parliament that's a mess and another story known as legalised comunism and just reactivated after 1989 as new democracy. That's the next thing should be sorted out in Poland because it's some problem for European Union either.

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time means
You're wrong. I can and I don't have to be born here. It's named naturalisation process. It's offered everywhere fom the North Pole to the South Pole, from East to West.

press.homeoffice.gov.uk/press-releases/becoming-a-citizen?version=1

workpermit.com/uk/naturalisation.htm

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time means
What's the difference between them in the law meaning? Don't you have rights for the same support sources? If you British or English Citizen nobody can touch you with your rights. Am I wrong? Germans were trying to say the same to whole world 60 years ago, they're specific because they're nordics :)