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1jola   
28 Nov 2008
News / Helena Wolinska dead [90]

Good news. Helena Wolinska finally died in England.

Helena Wolińska-Brus (born 1919 as Fajga Mindla Danielak died 2008) was a former military prosecutor from Poland, involved in Stalinist regime show trials of the 1950s.

1jola   
29 Nov 2008
News / Helena Wolinska dead [90]

From Chicago Tribune:

"After communism’s collapse, Poland’s new leaders quickly rehabilitated thereputations of heroes such as Fieldorf. They also began going through thefiles and building criminal cases against those responsible for the worst ofthe Stalin-era crimes. In 1999 the Polish government asked for Wolinska-Brus’extradition.

She replied with disdain: The charges were “idiotic,” she said, and Poland was a “despicable” country.
“If they don’t like you, they accuse you of being an ex-communist and a Jew,” she told The Jewish Chronicle, a prominent British publication. She vowed to never return to “the land of Auschwitz and Birkenau.”

But while anti-Semitism is a touchy issue in Poland, “she is being asked about her responsibility for the death of a very important Polish hero, and that has nothing to do with being Jewish,” said Rafal Wnuk, a Polish historian and expert on the Stalin era.

One prominent Pole who feels strongly that Wolinska-Brus should stand trial is Wladyslaw Bartoszewski, a former foreign minister, former Auschwitz inmateand now a special foreign policy adviser to new Prime Minister Donald Tusk.

Bartoszewski, 82, also served in the Home Army, where he helped organize Zegota, the Council for Aid to Jews."

The British record if often dishonorable. Sweden is also giving shelter to a Stalinist prosecutor: Adam Michnik's brother, Stefan. Shame.
1jola   
1 Dec 2008
News / Helena Wolinska dead [90]

Speaking of enemy collaborators, some of you might be interested in these two discussions:

forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=146142&start=30

forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=144090&start=0

I'm a new member so I can't post hot links.
1jola   
7 Dec 2008
Genealogy / spelling Kotylak right [3]

There are 271 Poles with this name. Probably more.
moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/kotylak.html
1jola   
9 Feb 2009
History / Col.Jozef Swiatlo-Secret agent, torturer, CIA-collaborator to be tried? [145]

The scum died last year.

It is sickening to read some of you lefties talk among yourselves. Perhaps you have no idea what MBP was, and then you should educate yourselves. This piece of human garbage was the worst of the Holocaust "survivors" we had. Oh, BTW, 37% of MBP cadre was Jewish.

Also, no one was forced to sign up for the Communist regime, lest to survive. What bullshit.
1jola   
9 Feb 2009
History / germany prepares for invasion of Poland [43]

McCoy,

Thanks for including pics of the happy meeting between NKVD and Werhmacht in Brześć on 22 September 1939. Patrycja probably thought the Soviets were allies too. Education continues.
1jola   
9 Feb 2009
History / Col.Jozef Swiatlo-Secret agent, torturer, CIA-collaborator to be tried? [145]

I'm not misguided at all. People joined the Party and the Stalinist regime because they were scum. They were traitors, nothing else. Real Poles were regularly tried, imprisoned, and executed by the likes of Światło, et al.

The communists had a grip? What percentage of the population joined them? Do answer.
1jola   
9 Feb 2009
History / Col.Jozef Swiatlo-Secret agent, torturer, CIA-collaborator to be tried? [145]

No, that's not all there is to it. There is more. The elimination of intelligensia by the Germans and the Soviets caused a vaccum in who can actually do the serious work. The promotion of imbeciles into the upper spheres was detrimental to the nation. Of course, it wasn't real economy, as most of the products went east to the Soviet masters, but you had to staff positions with intelligent people, and who were they? They were the 90% of population who didn't join the Communists. You, and others like you, wanted more. A better flat, privilages, separate stores... Scum, like I said. It is shameful that we can't put people like that on trial now.

Even Wałęsa? It is well documented he was a commie stooge and played his part well in the smooth transition from communist rule.
1jola   
9 Feb 2009
History / Col.Jozef Swiatlo-Secret agent, torturer, CIA-collaborator to be tried? [145]

The derogarory phrase was not directed toward you.

Funny, all educated people I know here were not members of the Party. In fact, all less educated people I know were not either. The ones who were were shunned by us. I guess we come from different traditions.

You know, many people gave their life for our country. We owe it to them to stay true to the cause of free Poland. Subservience for material gain is immoral.

Gestapo, NKVD, UB, same animal, different color. The likes of Światło, Różański, Berman were beasts like Spilker or Hahn. Do not apologize for torturers.
1jola   
9 Feb 2009
History / Col.Jozef Swiatlo-Secret agent, torturer, CIA-collaborator to be tried? [145]

", they just had the party card because without it, life really sucked"

Exactly, life really sucked for 90% of the people. Yet, they didn't join. "Partyjny" in my circle was a badge of shame. Trust me, we had no friends who were in the Party; we just didn't associate with them. They were weak people who would turn to whichever the wind blew. They had no principles. They were the type who would snitch on their friends since the system required it. They were trash. I'll grant not all were nasty, but they were at the service of the enemy.

One thing you got right, though. Many people are finding out now that a close friend was writing reports on them. Watch "Trzech Kumpli" to see the reality of the totalitarian system.
1jola   
10 Feb 2009
History / Col.Jozef Swiatlo-Secret agent, torturer, CIA-collaborator to be tried? [145]

A personal point. My late parents didn't join the Party although that would have made their life much easier. They were encouraged to do so, but not forced. Later, when we emigrated to the West, I would have never been able to obtain the necessary security clearances for my jobs had they been communists.

And you're right, there were many who joined just to play the game; no one had thought that communism would end. It's interesting that the ones who were part of the system did so much better in free Poland.
1jola   
10 Feb 2009
History / Col.Jozef Swiatlo-Secret agent, torturer, CIA-collaborator to be tried? [145]

So how can you argue that there was no self-interest in your own personal situation and there was self-interest for Polish communists? Simply that.

I didn't join the enemy, I didn't snitch on people, I left for a better life without hurting anybody. If you don't understand what a communist regime was like, then do some research.

Luckily for Poland the vast majority of Poles stayed to fight for their eventual freedom from communism

Hate to burst your bubble, but most people didn't fight the system.

But even the most reviled Poles such as Jozef Swiatlo played some part in this. most likely purely from his own self-interest, but Swiatlo's defection and later co-operation with CIA in Operation Splinter Factor did have some positive influence in softening the Polish communist regime in mid-1950's

For starters, Swiatło wasn't a Pole, he was a Jew. Using your thinking we should be grateful for von dem Bach since he testified in Nuremberg.

The only thing that softened the regime in the mid 1950s was the death of Stalin. Nothing else.

The Polish section Radio Free Europe based in Munich was also intsrumental in the anti-communist propaganda war and included former cichociemni commentators and leading figures from the 'emigre' Polish government and armed forces personnel.

You mean those selfish people who fled communism? The communists, who you seem to be so understanding about, had a special treatment for those patriots if they could get their filthy hands on.

Harry,
It has been pointed out many times that you are a blooming idiot. Why do you come back for more?
1jola   
10 Feb 2009
History / germany prepares for invasion of Poland [43]

If you mean during the German invasion, then yes. The Soviet ambassador left Poland on 12 September 1939 in preparation of the Soviet invasion. On 17 September, USSR passed a note(not accepted) stating the ceasing of the Polish state.
1jola   
10 Feb 2009
History / Col.Jozef Swiatlo-Secret agent, torturer, CIA-collaborator to be tried? [145]

Its all about choices and self-interest. Nothing wrong with choosing a better life over helping one's country overthrow communism? But don't berate others for doing what you yourself have done.

Chosing a better life in another country and joining the enemy is an equal act of self interest to you. It is not. The highest percentage of Party membership never even reached 8% of the population. Do you think the other 92% didn't want to better their lot? Yet, they didn't join. Also, people were not fighting to overthrow communism. They were fighting for better conditions, independent trade unions, etc. Communism collapsed.

I have every right to berate Soviet collaborators.

It is a fact he was a Polish Jew. Unless you are saying that one couldn't be Polish and a Jew?

When it's Jedwabne they are called Jews; when it's a criminal like Światło, he is a Pole, at least that's what you called him. There were and are plenty of fine Polish Jews though.

I have no sympathy for communism, not one bit

But you seem so understanding of those NKVD and UB beasts who tortured your friends. After all they made a choice to better their life just like Jola-the emigrant.

Let me give you a hypothetical choice and I count on an honest answer.

You are living in communist Poland. You can't even buy toilet paper.

a) you emigrate when you have a chance
b) you stay, but you don't join the party
c) you join the communist party and have all the toilet paper you want.
1jola   
11 Feb 2009
History / Col.Jozef Swiatlo-Secret agent, torturer, CIA-collaborator to be tried? [145]

Not once has anyone in my presence equated joining the communist party with emigration. Most likely because I don't know anyone who was in the Party.

1jola: The highest percentage of Party membership never even reached 8% of the population. Do you think the other 92%

something's funky about those numbers. i'll let you know when i figure it out.

You don't have to figure out anything; you just have to look up the statistics. I'll help you. The Party you were in was called PZPR.

One more point. There were many reasons Poles didn't emigrate. The most common was the inability to do so. The last, and I mean the last, was to stay and fight communism.
1jola   
11 Feb 2009
History / Col.Jozef Swiatlo-Secret agent, torturer, CIA-collaborator to be tried? [145]

sjam,

You misunderstood my post. I said you make excuses for communists who bettered their lot just like I did. Some people joined NKVD; some emigrated. It is obscene to equate the two as a means to improve ones life on the moral level.

LOL, I once met someone who had a collection of soft toilet paper sheets. How silly that must sound to young people now.

1jola: Also, people were not fighting to overthrow communism. They were fighting for better conditions, independent trade unions, etc. Communism collapsed.

Again, how would you know? You’d run off in search of soft toilet paper. Has it occurred to you that the main reason so few people involved with the resistance openly mentioned overthrowing Communism was that the reaction of the authorities would have been very similar to those in Budapest in ’56 and Prague in ’68?

I love when foreigners try to give me a lesson on Polish history.

1jola: at least that's what you called him.

Liar. Sjam called him a “Polish-Jew”.

You should read the posts carefully. Yelling, liar, liar, pants on fire will not help your acne problem.

But even the most reviled Poles such as Jozef Swiatlo

1jola: I left for a better life without hurting anybody.

So you mean you put your own interests before those of your country and your countrymen.

Welcome to Poland, foreigner. Will you stay long or will you go back to look after the interests of your own country, hero?

Światło got where he was because he was a Pole. If he hadn’t been a Pole, he wouldn’t have got where he was.

You really have no clue, do you?
1jola   
11 Feb 2009
History / Col.Jozef Swiatlo-Secret agent, torturer, CIA-collaborator to be tried? [145]

People who didn't join have a right to be proud and millions of Polish emigrants who sent money back to the country and lobbied western governments to put pressure on the communists would object to the point you are making.

What did the 92% of Poles that weren't in the communist party do for toilet paper for all those years? Communist newspapers I guess?

I think "Trybuna Ludu"(People's Tribune) was preferred. Even when you got hold of some "good stuff" you had to be really macho to use it. :)
1jola   
11 Feb 2009
History / Col.Jozef Swiatlo-Secret agent, torturer, CIA-collaborator to be tried? [145]

1jola: He's called me a liar three times so far on this thread, and I'll give him a chance to show my lies or retract it.

I'll happily do that. The first comment was in the very first post on page one of this thread:
sjam: Jozef Swiatlo, a Polish-Jew

You then went on to say:

1jola: When it's Jedwabne they are called Jews; when it's a criminal like Światło, he is a Pole, at least that's what you called him.

As I have just shown, sjam called Swiatlo "a Polish-Jew". You then claimed that sjam called him a "Pole". Your statement is very clearly not true: it is a lie.

What you have shown is your poor comprehension skills and your inability to focus. I will post it again for you, but it is getting tedious.

But even the most reviled Poles such as Jozef Swiatlo

You are also a coward: you ran away from your country and your countrymen in their time of need rather than stand together with them and fight for 'your' country.

How old are you? You are wasting my time.

I don't expect you'll make any reply to that statement.

I really shouldn't but I will for the benefit of others.

After all, you haven't bothered to respond to the observation that Are you saying that Swiatlo got the position he held because he was Polish and that if he had been British/French/German/Chilean/Martian he would not have got the position he held.

If you want to talk about Jedwabne, start a thread and flag me to it.

If you think Światło got his job in State Security because he was a Pole, consider this. A huge percentage of communist "security" at upper levels, were the Holocaust survivors-Jews. Being a Pole was a disadvantage at that time. They promptly got to the business of murdering AK, NSZ Polish soldiers. His boss was Fejgin-a Jew. Their boss was Berman-a Jew. Not Martians - Jews.

but you completely fail to address what might have happened to him had he been a practising Jew

What would have happend to him? Do tell.

Do you really think that his superiors would have been happy for him to observe the Jewish Sabbath?

No, they would have taken his dreidel away from him and schlapped him on the head.