Bratwurst Boy
27 Jan 2008
History / Poland Betrayed in WW2 [243]
What's wrong with Ermintrude???
:)
your name would probably be klaus or franz or ermintrude or something like
What's wrong with Ermintrude???
:)
Bratwurst Boy
24 Jan 2008
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]
Erm...yes..."you" did!
I doubt that without the occupation that neither liberal democracy would had had a chance in western Germany nor socialism in eastern Germany.....
but "we" didnt impose our poitical will or ideolagies on those liberated countries
Erm...yes..."you" did!
I doubt that without the occupation that neither liberal democracy would had had a chance in western Germany nor socialism in eastern Germany.....
Bratwurst Boy
23 Jan 2008
History / Poland - Russia Russians ready for discussion about history ? [105]
Most did that already for more than 60 years...move on!
Most did that already for more than 60 years...move on!
Bratwurst Boy
20 Jan 2008
Life / Drunken like German, respectable like Pole. Article of German jurnalist [15]
Nice AND humour....my...what a people!
:)
Nice AND humour....my...what a people!
:)
Bratwurst Boy
20 Jan 2008
Life / Drunken like German, respectable like Pole. Article of German jurnalist [15]
Hey...he did survive!!!
Hey...he did survive!!!
Bratwurst Boy
20 Jan 2008
Life / Drunken like German, respectable like Pole. Article of German jurnalist [15]
....he just wanted to be nice!
We Germans ARE nice people....you can ask everybody! :)
....he just wanted to be nice!
We Germans ARE nice people....you can ask everybody! :)
Bratwurst Boy
20 Jan 2008
Life / Drunken like German, respectable like Pole. Article of German jurnalist [15]
Sure it would be nicer....but like everything stereotypes must be worked for (sometimes hard).
Just claiming them won't achieve nothing.
Stereotypes get awarded not taken....
So...I don't see a "respectable like Poles" around the corner....sorry! :)
"respectable like Pole" it is nicer :)
Sure it would be nicer....but like everything stereotypes must be worked for (sometimes hard).
Just claiming them won't achieve nothing.
Stereotypes get awarded not taken....
So...I don't see a "respectable like Poles" around the corner....sorry! :)
Bratwurst Boy
20 Jan 2008
Life / Drunken like German, respectable like Pole. Article of German jurnalist [15]
...now they are stealing even our stereotypes! Blah!
...now they are stealing even our stereotypes! Blah!
Bratwurst Boy
16 Jan 2008
History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]
Ummm...you know where they will wander to whenever their situatuion in Germany or UK won't satisfy them anymore?
Just imagine a boom in Poland...living standards raise....the economy get's rolling....workers are needed....
Exactly! :)
and for our Turk friends in Germany: Make LOVE :)))) For our Pakistan friends in UK: make LOVE :))) (and vote in elections on your people :) )
Ummm...you know where they will wander to whenever their situatuion in Germany or UK won't satisfy them anymore?
Just imagine a boom in Poland...living standards raise....the economy get's rolling....workers are needed....
Exactly! :)
Bratwurst Boy
16 Jan 2008
History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]
I would agree...and definitely put Poland in front of France and Canada!
I would agree...and definitely put Poland in front of France and Canada!
Bratwurst Boy
16 Jan 2008
Bratwurst Boy
16 Jan 2008
History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]
Are you proud of that Bubba?
Again you needed the US to win this war....you maintained a cruel blockade which did cost nearly one million of german civilians to die of hunger to force the Germans to subscribe to a highly disputed treaty which sowed the seeds of hate for Adolf Hitler to reape who just a few years later would start a new war which did cost Europe much more...
But at least some Brits can beat their chests proudly!
what did happen, and is recorded in history for future generations to remember, is that germany was put firmly in its place, twice, in a fifty year period
Are you proud of that Bubba?
Again you needed the US to win this war....you maintained a cruel blockade which did cost nearly one million of german civilians to die of hunger to force the Germans to subscribe to a highly disputed treaty which sowed the seeds of hate for Adolf Hitler to reape who just a few years later would start a new war which did cost Europe much more...
But at least some Brits can beat their chests proudly!
Bratwurst Boy
16 Jan 2008
History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]
Do I talk against a wall here?
It's not about who won or lost....the question was who was most important for the win of the allies!
For that you just have to answer yourself some questions...take a country out of the equation, see what would most likely to happen and there you have your answer!
But for some it is definitely to hard to think about....
It was the american material and air superiority which made fighting at the western front so difficult for the mostly second and often third rate german troops...
Max Hastings has a lot to tell about that! Recommendable
how the war would have gone in different circumstances is academic - it didnt happen and we can only speculate
Do I talk against a wall here?
It's not about who won or lost....the question was who was most important for the win of the allies!
For that you just have to answer yourself some questions...take a country out of the equation, see what would most likely to happen and there you have your answer!
But for some it is definitely to hard to think about....
Bratwurst I agree US was more powerful then Britain during WW2 but the question is who contributed more.
It was the american material and air superiority which made fighting at the western front so difficult for the mostly second and often third rate german troops...
Max Hastings has a lot to tell about that! Recommendable
Bratwurst Boy
16 Jan 2008
History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]
You must see that hypothetical:
How would the war had gone if Russia and Germany maintained peace and the US would had sat back disinterested and totally neutral?
There you have your answer....
You must see that hypothetical:
How would the war had gone if Russia and Germany maintained peace and the US would had sat back disinterested and totally neutral?
There you have your answer....
Bratwurst Boy
16 Jan 2008
History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]
Just a friendly advise....don't believe TV or movies that much, just read some historians!
Also english ones would rather lean to my understanding of the war than to yours....you might learn something...
PS: Calling a German a hun is another sign of historical misunderstandings on the british side....
They would have been without the Russians and the US on their side!
....which was the question....
Just a friendly advise....don't believe TV or movies that much, just read some historians!
Also english ones would rather lean to my understanding of the war than to yours....you might learn something...
PS: Calling a German a hun is another sign of historical misunderstandings on the british side....
sorry... which country had occupying armies for the last half century or so...? definately not mine... england never never never shall be slaves
They would have been without the Russians and the US on their side!
....which was the question....
Bratwurst Boy
16 Jan 2008
History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]
Och nö....not another one who thinks the biggest chasing action was actually a big win!
It's no use discussing it any further....
PS: The question was "Who was most important for the allied WIN"....so yes I know the Axis lost and I tried to give and explain my opinion.
I can't help it if it isn't to your liking! :)
Makes me a Nazi, yes?
bollox,French command collapsed,we were under french command,our flanks manned by the french and belgians disapeared and we evacuated 360.000 troops from dunkirk,troops that went on to kick rommels arse all over africa.
Och nö....not another one who thinks the biggest chasing action was actually a big win!
It's no use discussing it any further....
You really love sticking up for the LOSING side dont you. Newsflash,YOU LOST THE WAR....for the second time in 20 odd years YOU LOST,so argue your theories as much as you like,YOU LOST. You tried to subjegate a continent and ended up with half your gene pool russian. ha ha,duetshland uber alles,yes,above all at getting backsides spanked in wars of agression.
PS: The question was "Who was most important for the allied WIN"....so yes I know the Axis lost and I tried to give and explain my opinion.
I can't help it if it isn't to your liking! :)
Makes me a Nazi, yes?
Bratwurst Boy
16 Jan 2008
History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]
The Brits run with their tails between the legs from Dunkirk, you tried to lock heads with the Wehrmacht in Norway again and lost again.
You only made it back at D-Day under the umbrella of overwhelming material- and air superiority of the US.
You kicked nobodies arse!
Germany would have subjugated the islands easily if there would have been the same concentration behind it like for example in Russia...
But Hitler was never as interested in british arse...that's why he let you run away in Dunkirk...
the hun had from june 6th 1940 to febuary 1942(when first US units arrived in UK ) to "kick our arses" and failed miserably. Face it, gitler never came close to subjuing the British nation and never would have
The Brits run with their tails between the legs from Dunkirk, you tried to lock heads with the Wehrmacht in Norway again and lost again.
You only made it back at D-Day under the umbrella of overwhelming material- and air superiority of the US.
You kicked nobodies arse!
Germany would have subjugated the islands easily if there would have been the same concentration behind it like for example in Russia...
But Hitler was never as interested in british arse...that's why he let you run away in Dunkirk...
Bratwurst Boy
16 Jan 2008
History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]
What makes you so convinced?
It was in the best interest of the US to make sure Germany would NOT be domineering the continent....
And for the rest....english IS very close to German! :)
The USA wouldnt have even entered the war had it not been for britain staying in the fight......your argument/question is therefore meaningless
What makes you so convinced?
It was in the best interest of the US to make sure Germany would NOT be domineering the continent....
And for the rest....english IS very close to German! :)
Bratwurst Boy
16 Jan 2008
History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]
But the question was: "Who was most important for the Allies to win WWII"
So....without the US and Russia the Brit's wouldn't had stood a chance against a victorious Germany with an Europe of conquered/allied/collaborating nations.
But the US or Russia didn't need a GB that much...it's an easy calculation actually and no need to get all huffy and puffy!
No...surely not easy!
But the german navy would grew (think more Bismarcks) and there was the wolf packs prowling the sea.
Then there would be a starving Great Britain...starving not only in food but also in materials, ammunition....I think it's hard to hold out for long when every ship destroyed or every fighter shot down can't be repaired or replaced anymore!
The Germans would just have to wait actually....
PS: And just imagine our Luftwaffe which mostly nearly the whole time was busy in Russia fighting against GB not Russia....
But the question was: "Who was most important for the Allies to win WWII"
So....without the US and Russia the Brit's wouldn't had stood a chance against a victorious Germany with an Europe of conquered/allied/collaborating nations.
But the US or Russia didn't need a GB that much...it's an easy calculation actually and no need to get all huffy and puffy!
Also to answer bratwurst UK had a strong navy, so it would not be so easy to put a blockade on the UK and somewhat powerful airforce.
No...surely not easy!
But the german navy would grew (think more Bismarcks) and there was the wolf packs prowling the sea.
Then there would be a starving Great Britain...starving not only in food but also in materials, ammunition....I think it's hard to hold out for long when every ship destroyed or every fighter shot down can't be repaired or replaced anymore!
The Germans would just have to wait actually....
PS: And just imagine our Luftwaffe which mostly nearly the whole time was busy in Russia fighting against GB not Russia....
Bratwurst Boy
16 Jan 2008
History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]
That's the deluded Brit's! :)
Don't believe your war movies to much...a Germany without having to concentrate on Russia and you without the help you got from the US....just be fair and you would say so yourself..no chance!
There is nothing shameful about it....your island IS brave but very limited if you would have to stand all on your own!
Like I said, the only thing needed to take the Brits out would be a blockade....
Muppet,we kicked your arse....
That's the deluded Brit's! :)
Don't believe your war movies to much...a Germany without having to concentrate on Russia and you without the help you got from the US....just be fair and you would say so yourself..no chance!
There is nothing shameful about it....your island IS brave but very limited if you would have to stand all on your own!
Like I said, the only thing needed to take the Brits out would be a blockade....
Bratwurst Boy
16 Jan 2008
History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]
And how did it get there? Because they had to fight a two-front war against Russia and the US.
A war only against Poland and/or the UK (has been)/would had been no problem...it shows who needed whom most, who was most important and that was the question!
They were at the end of their rope anyway.. so to speak
And how did it get there? Because they had to fight a two-front war against Russia and the US.
A war only against Poland and/or the UK (has been)/would had been no problem...it shows who needed whom most, who was most important and that was the question!
Bratwurst Boy
16 Jan 2008
History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]
What makes you think so?
The Wehrmacht chased the Brits from the continent at Dunkirk and they never made it back till D-Day.
Without the US support and their allying with GB the U-Boats just needed to isolate them and Churchill without any hope or support would have negotiated for an armistice soon.
Germany didn't needed to invade only isolate....
The life line of the Brits was the US! The british isles could have never done it alone, not against a continent in german hands....
But I think UK contributed more then the US when it came to germany
What makes you think so?
The Wehrmacht chased the Brits from the continent at Dunkirk and they never made it back till D-Day.
Without the US support and their allying with GB the U-Boats just needed to isolate them and Churchill without any hope or support would have negotiated for an armistice soon.
Germany didn't needed to invade only isolate....
The life line of the Brits was the US! The british isles could have never done it alone, not against a continent in german hands....
Bratwurst Boy
15 Jan 2008
History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]
My ranking:
1.Place) Russia
2.Place) US
...everybody else didn't really matter as without those two they (also the UK) would have been toast sooner or later (if they weren't already)!
The Russians had the winter, endless human waves and a highly admirable fighting spirit, the US provided the enormous material and support for the allies needed to keep going. (Not to forget the race for the nuke!)
It was this deadly combo needed to break the German's neck!
My ranking:
1.Place) Russia
2.Place) US
...everybody else didn't really matter as without those two they (also the UK) would have been toast sooner or later (if they weren't already)!
The Russians had the winter, endless human waves and a highly admirable fighting spirit, the US provided the enormous material and support for the allies needed to keep going. (Not to forget the race for the nuke!)
It was this deadly combo needed to break the German's neck!
Bratwurst Boy
14 Jan 2008
Bratwurst Boy
2 Jan 2008
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]
Telling everyone that they are the "chosen" people (contrary to everone else) and denying assimiliation into the host countries might have something to do with that....
Telling everyone that they are the "chosen" people (contrary to everone else) and denying assimiliation into the host countries might have something to do with that....
Bratwurst Boy
28 Dec 2007
History / Jews...and their Polish experience [520]
What choice do they have?
Have they fancy equipment like the Israelis? No
Do they have tanks, radar, helicopters, jets??? No
They have mostly some old Kalashnikoffs, old rockets, self build bombs.
Don't get me wrong...frankly I don't care if you kill each other down there or not but this fight is hardly fair and if the arabs can only hurt you with suicide bombs and some Kassams because an equal and fair fight is not possible you can hardly blame them!
That's the way all terrorists/guerillas/partisans operated to all times in the view of a much larger army...the jews against the Brits too if I might remind you!
The palestinians, on the other hand are targeting ONLY civilian targets with rockets and suicide bombers.
What choice do they have?
Have they fancy equipment like the Israelis? No
Do they have tanks, radar, helicopters, jets??? No
They have mostly some old Kalashnikoffs, old rockets, self build bombs.
Don't get me wrong...frankly I don't care if you kill each other down there or not but this fight is hardly fair and if the arabs can only hurt you with suicide bombs and some Kassams because an equal and fair fight is not possible you can hardly blame them!
That's the way all terrorists/guerillas/partisans operated to all times in the view of a much larger army...the jews against the Brits too if I might remind you!
Bratwurst Boy
27 Dec 2007
Bratwurst Boy
22 Dec 2007
Work / "Ethnicity" form - Polish Europeans? [77]
If you go even further back are we all Africans.
But the teachings here are still that the Germanics originated in Southern Scandinavia...I will leave it at that.
For example (in german TV): weltderwunder.rtl2.de/archiv/2001/10/wdw/Mensch/Mythos/Germanen/KriegsbeilundHandel/index.html
"...Die Urheimat der Germanen liegt im norddeutschen und südskandinavischen Raum. Von dort breiteten sie sich ab ungefähr 1100 v. Chr. nach Süden und Südosten aus. Drei große Gruppen lassen sich in der Folge unterscheiden: die in Skandinavien verbliebenen Nordgermanen, die östlich der Elbe siedelnden Ostgermanen und die Westgermanen in den Gebieten um Rhein, Weser, Elbe und Nordsee. Sie umfassten zahlreiche Einzelstämme, wie zum Beispiel: Cherusker, Sweben, Angeln, Sachsen, Markomannen, Goten oder Friesen...."
Proto-Indo-Europeans?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-Europeans
"...The Proto-Indo-Europeans are a hypothetical group of people whose existence from around 4000 BCE is inferred from their language, Proto-Indo-European. The genetic phenotypes associated with the group are unknown."
Do you mean that? Lot's of "hypothetical" I think....
Things are not as clear cut as you would might wish. The most often accepted take is that we all (Germanic and Slac and others) do come from the same area around western Ukraine. We were not different from the outset. We changed and drifted apart.
If you go even further back are we all Africans.
But the teachings here are still that the Germanics originated in Southern Scandinavia...I will leave it at that.
For example (in german TV): weltderwunder.rtl2.de/archiv/2001/10/wdw/Mensch/Mythos/Germanen/KriegsbeilundHandel/index.html
"...Die Urheimat der Germanen liegt im norddeutschen und südskandinavischen Raum. Von dort breiteten sie sich ab ungefähr 1100 v. Chr. nach Süden und Südosten aus. Drei große Gruppen lassen sich in der Folge unterscheiden: die in Skandinavien verbliebenen Nordgermanen, die östlich der Elbe siedelnden Ostgermanen und die Westgermanen in den Gebieten um Rhein, Weser, Elbe und Nordsee. Sie umfassten zahlreiche Einzelstämme, wie zum Beispiel: Cherusker, Sweben, Angeln, Sachsen, Markomannen, Goten oder Friesen...."
Proto-Indo-Europeans?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-Europeans
"...The Proto-Indo-Europeans are a hypothetical group of people whose existence from around 4000 BCE is inferred from their language, Proto-Indo-European. The genetic phenotypes associated with the group are unknown."
Do you mean that? Lot's of "hypothetical" I think....
Bratwurst Boy
22 Dec 2007
Work / "Ethnicity" form - Polish Europeans? [77]
Hmmm....could be interested...on such a DNA test!
Yeah...from the moment they came to Europe the history is clear but I would like to know what happened before that.
But there is no clear teaching on that, or is there?
I mean we Germanics stem all from the same corner in Scandinavia....but the Slavs?
Hmmm....could be interested...on such a DNA test!
Map of central Europe 919-1125
Yeah...from the moment they came to Europe the history is clear but I would like to know what happened before that.
But there is no clear teaching on that, or is there?
I mean we Germanics stem all from the same corner in Scandinavia....but the Slavs?
Bratwurst Boy
22 Dec 2007
Work / "Ethnicity" form - Polish Europeans? [77]
You mean I would need a new ava? With a machete this time??? :)
But beware! It may conclude you are a Tutsi or Hutu :)
You mean I would need a new ava? With a machete this time??? :)