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No i dont, the potential of the current Polish state is even greater than Germany, the political "elite" is the only major issue here.
We are talking about current political potential of the III RP. Such potential depends mainly from wealth and even if I have negative opinion about populist tendencies in Germany, still they have advantage. Of course Polish politicians do everything to keep this distance but this is another issue.
There is a very strong pro-Polish group in Western Ukraine, they are the wealthier half, all they need is coordination, start Polish funded media, organize them, support them and we can create a highly competent group pushing for closer ties with Poland and reforming Ukraine at the same time.
Whether they are indeed pro-Polish, this is questionable. Although I oppose involvement of politicians in historical disputes, if you plan the future you should not ignore that Lviv's city council is heavily engaged in glorification of UPA. Why? Apparently because this is something that cost nothing financially while locals perceive such actions positively.
Secondary, this is not true that the western part of Ukraine is wealthier. It is based on agriculture, while the biggest cities are located in the east. I have read some time ago analyse of structure of Ukrainian oligarchic clans, western part was not represented. While current PM Tymoshenko belonged top one of two clans from Dnepropetrovsk.
Also I disagree with such opinion that Polish taxpayers should finance some business investment in Ukraine, this is not something that the state should be involved even in Poland itself. These are mistakes of American foreign policy which lead this state to socialism, aside from specific imperialism of ideology.
we have a massive following of willing supporters there, who's voice is incindentally more important than russian sympathizers.
Do you have any evidence to confirm this relation. Results of every elections doesn't seems to confirm your thesis.
we need to support the right movements and thats about it,
That would be perhaps effective if "our" side have some pretty stable advantage. While currently every each elections may results in different outcomes. Thus Ukrainian foreign policy is unpredictable. If Polish state decide to support one side you can count that their rivals wont be very friendly towards them. This is very similar to situation with new American administration and missile shield.
any democracy thats not a Russian puppet is "our".
I'm afraid if this would be democratic state and majority of Ukrainians would wish Ukraine being Russian puppet, there is very little you can do about it.
Poland at this rate will be all the way up there with the Western states within 20 years, probably sooner, Ukraine will take much much longer, it needs an ally on an international arena, that ally is either Poland or Russia.
Poland doesn't count, it has no influence. If anybody in Ukraine want this state remain independent they must run balanced foreign policy, this is false to say that either the EU or Russia. Both regimes have imperialistic ambitions, they just offer different propaganda duo to cultural differences between targeted societies.
Military, political and economical alliance that leaves the door open for a possible union in the future, neither of us will survive as an independent political entity for long and Western states cannot be counted on in long term, their interests either conflict ours or completely lack coomon fields.
Alliance is always against some third body. So I don't understand how Poland can win anything from economic alliance against Russia. While there is a lot of opportunities to lose... Like I wrote earlier the EU and Poland itself by their recent actions admitted that economic sanctions again Belarus were not effective. The same is with ridiculous American policy towards Cuba.
I also consider your vision of Polish-Ukrainian union to be utopian. Age of Enlightenment created vision of national states and American foreign policy after WWI sanctioned this system. Majority of people are mentally unable to stick to such concept, it will lead to ethnic conflicts sooner or later. First serious problem, first real crisis and you may have destructive home war. Who will be the president, Pole or Ukrainian? I think that behaviour of PO which intentionally tried to hide true German surname of one of their candidates to EP speak everything... PO have no faith in sanity of people, do you have any?
