Life / 800 thousand Polish women are victims of domestic abuse yearly [180]


Deal. Have to go now (busy life). I'll do it tomorrow. I'm glad you asked.


No! I don't have to be a victim to care.


I suggest that an objective reading of my many posts will show that I've been more specific than any person opposing me. You must not have read my posts to make such a comment.

If you don't believe what hundreds of studies by experts in their field show than you won't believe anything.

Have fun with this (spend some time). I've got to go (poker game with the boys tonight}

ejfi.org/DV/dv-2.htm#pgfId-396197

Life / 800 thousand Polish women are victims of domestic abuse yearly [180]


Oh, thank you, thank you. Your comment shows what's wrong with current culture. You've been fed this feminist bullcrap and its been repeated so often that people accept it.

Check out myth #4 (feel free to check them all).
dadi.org/iwf_myth.htm

Life / 800 thousand Polish women are victims of domestic abuse yearly [180]

pgtx, you know better than that. You are asking me to prove a negative. If someone believes Polish abuse is somehow special (maybe it is?) than there should be ample evidence of it.

Life / 800 thousand Polish women are victims of domestic abuse yearly [180]


Why do you simplify it like that? Maybe we should talk about women only getting slapped? Men getting framed for abuse is a big deal; it ruins their lives. Men falsely accused of rape carry a stigma; some have served jail time. Women like you are too jaded

and have had your way too long to change. Objectivity is a harsh master.


That's why some of us post the fuller truths. Ignorance like the above quote by ragtime
is typical. .....and that sort of stuff affects policy and law.

The Feibert studies are proof enough that women abuse men equally. Granted, those are U.S. studies and not Polish but it is doubtful if Poland's stats are different. Is Polish abuse 'special' (somehow)?

Women, you will continue to lose ground if you continue to play your 'victim card' while ignoring the concerns of men - wherever they are. The fact that there is a growing men's movement is testament to that. The 'victim' game is coming to an end.

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I notice someone started a men's thread. Perhaps tomorrow I'll comment on it.
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I just noticed ragtime has a picture of Che Guevara. Is there more proof of ignorance?
He was a mass murderer.
therealcuba.com/MurderedbyChe.htm

Life / 800 thousand Polish women are victims of domestic abuse yearly [180]

These are the kinds of abuses that are of concern. I have several anecdotal examples of this. In one instance I heard a commotion outside my window and this young woman kept bumping into her boyfriend. She continued to slam herself into his chest. He pushed her off several times but she kept slamming into him. Finally, he hit her on the shoulder. She screamed at him and called the cops from her cell phone. I waited until the police arrived and then walked outside with my cup of coffee. Her version of the 'incident' was very different from what actually occurred. As a witness I explained that to the police. The young 'lady' glared at me.

It's too easy for women to file false assault charges (and yes, I can give statistical information) and too many women do it for a variety of reasons. Every man is at risk.

Good women with loving fathers, husbands and sons should voice their concerns as well.

Life / 800 thousand Polish women are victims of domestic abuse yearly [180]

Your premise is wrong so I cannot answer the question.

When did you stop beating your wife? See, that's another wrong premise. No way to answer that because of the built-in assumption.

Life / 800 thousand Polish women are victims of domestic abuse yearly [180]


You said it simply and well. ...but it seems that the women here have a difficult time understanding that. Look at the name-calling and emotion they exhibit.

Life / 800 thousand Polish women are victims of domestic abuse yearly [180]

Um, pgtx you confuse bashing with stating facts (and I've stated many). Current society is not accustomed to hearing a flip side, it's.......not customary to call womyn on their bullcrap. That's why so many are shocked when someone does. Women and manginas better get used to it though. It's ok. It's called equality.

An example: Miranda, says,"PGTX - women are not more emotional, stop typing that crap, you are not helping here."

Yea, you better stop that because the poor little girl needs more emotional support, not cold hard truth.

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Nah, you have ruined your (own) thread. You cannot communicate logically but in typical female fashion (ouch) you get emotional and 'feel' that your name-calling suffices for discourse.

Life / 800 thousand Polish women are victims of domestic abuse yearly [180]


I knew you were ok; it just took a while :)


You know if you insist on calling me names than calling me a 'dick' would be more appropriate. A "twat" is so feminizing and antifemale. Shame on you.

Life / 800 thousand Polish women are victims of domestic abuse yearly [180]


Your lack of intellectual input is duly noted; and here for all to see.

Life / 800 thousand Polish women are victims of domestic abuse yearly [180]


Well thank you and good luck in your crusade as well. Just try to be objective.


It's more like you are "tired" of the evidence I've presented. Your failure to comment on the evidence (Feibert in particular) is astonishing and speaks volumes.


O yea, I forgot; only you are allowed an opinion but I'm not allowed to state the facts.
I suggest you take the time to read the information I've provided. It's been obvious that this has been difficult for you as evidenced by your non responses to the many challenges I've instigated. You can't grow with that kind of attitude or approach.

One for the road;
sheridanhill.com/batteredmen.html
Excerpt:
""Women can smoke dope, booze it up, throw a fist, wield a knife, use a gun, beat their spouse, and beat their kids. It is a type of violence that is ignored, condoned, and treated as frivolous by a justice system that survives by feeding on the one individual (male) who is easily stereo-typed, lacks public sympathy, does not raise fear of reprisal in politicians, and often does not fight back."

"Because a man in my life dared to speak up to me, I researched the problem of women who abuse men. It was a very painful discovery"

Amen

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translation:
I can't refute the Feibert studies and I have no logical replies to you.


You don't appreciate being called stupid but it's ok for you to call me an idiot. Hmmmm, typical female double standard? Oh, you were called stupid because you erroneously accused me of denying abuse against women. You should apologize for that as you are unable to show proof of it. It's called 'projection'. For instance, if I correct you and say that men are abused too; you don't hear that. Instead, you hear this, "women are not abused". That's an unfortunate conditioned response by people caught up in their own matrix.


Truth is painful.


Fear is even more painful.


I have plenty so don't tempt me (but it's ok if you do). The problem with personal stories is that they are anecdotal. That means they are not necessarily representative of something as a whole. That's why misuse of anecdotal evidence is a logical fallacy thus hearsay or even empirical evidence is not used to generalize something, in this case, domestic violence. ....seems like you prefer your small fishbowl.


I (now) realize that you are limited in your ability to make connections. Any evidence contrary to your myopic beliefs is threatening to your bellief system. That's why you have not been able to refute the preponderance of evidence I've shown. Instead you suggest that I not respond.

Life / 800 thousand Polish women are victims of domestic abuse yearly [180]


You did ignore them otherwise how can you not be convinced by this incredible amount of information;
csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

Are all of these independent studies lies?


See above link which (again) disproves your assertion(s). One cannot get more reliable than the "247 scholarly investigations: 188 empirical studies and 59 reviews"; all independent from one another. For you to not comprehend this is well, unbelievable.


Now you are being just plain stupid. SHOW ME WHERE I DENY "DV" ABUSE AGAINST WOMEN! Now, I've noted the exaggerations and even quoted feminists. You suspiciouslly ignore their quotes. Too much reality eh?


That is the problem. Your "common knowledge" is a myth, perpetuated by rabid misandrists. Men and women are domestically abused in approximately equal numbers. I've already proven that by those links which you obviously did not read or comprehend.


In the U.S. it is too easy to get a restraining order against men. Perhaps this example of a woman who successfully got a restraining order against popular tv comedian David Letterman whom she never met shows the absurdity of it.

redorbit.com/news/oddities/341207/restraining_order_against_letterman_tossed/index.html

"A state judge has lifted a restraining order granted to a Santa Fe woman who accused talk-show host David Letterman of using coded words to show that he wanted to marry her and train her as his co-host."

Those "coded words" were supposedly made thru the tv program.

"Nestler's application for a restraining order was accompanied by a six-page typed letter in which she said Letterman used code words, gestures and "eye expressions" to convey his desires for her."

For those who don't know the general facts, here they are:
1/Letterman never met the woman
2/She claimed he sent her coded messages thru his tv show
3/She accused Letterman of inflicting mental cruelty, causing sleep deprivation, and contributing to her financial ruin. She won her temporary restraining order the same day. Think about that; some judge issued a restraining order against a man who never knew this woman existed based on her 'feelings'.

Life / 800 thousand Polish women are victims of domestic abuse yearly [180]


Yea, well, what are you doing on these threads? Duh!

Aren't you the one who stated: "I'm a man....if a women hits me I KNOW I have done something wrong and probably deserved it" Are you going to report your spouse for hitting you? (nah, rarely do men do that). If not then you are part of the problem.

Oh, if you hit your spouse back she'll report you and that will add to the phony statistics kept by shelters.

My links provided a fuller account of reality which "DV" advocates shun because they fear the truth. Silence from them on the 'feibert' studies is indeed deafening. Interesting that Miranda notes; "so far only Szkocja has a proof that domestic abuse is a problem for males as well." while ignoring the total picture as illustrated by my many examples.

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Are you blind to the links I provided? Check out the feibert link first!

[GodfatherIsays; I'm a man....if a women hits me I KNOW I have done something wrong and probably deserved it

My god, what a mangina you are. Oh, just a thought, if a man hits a woman than by your logic she deserves it too......right? Pathetic.

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I'll tell you what's depressing. People with an agenda. They fail to tell the 'full truth' because it is counter-intuitive to their bias. Of course men don't tell women or even other men they are battered. They "take it like a man" etc. Studies like the Feibert studies [csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm] expose the truth to the light of day. But they are for 'objective' people only.

By the way, some topics are "depressing". That's the nature of humanity.

mensnewsdaily.com/2008/12/01/domestic-violence-industry-hateful

Excerpts:

"In the United States, Dr. Suzanne Steinmetz’ research on the Battered Husband Syndrome triggered a whispering campaign designed to torpedo her impending promotion, as well as a bomb threat at her daughters wedding.

Family violence researcher Murray Straus at the University of New Hampshire has been similarly slandered, harassed, and threatened by radicals who all claim to be against violence.

Eventually the gender partisans got their way, securing passage of the Violence Against Women Act in 1994. Conservative commentator Phyllis Schlafly would later refer to the legislation as the hate-men law."

How about this?

"A former worker at Bethany House in Falls Church, Va. revealed the facility was largely used as a free hostel for women with emotional problems if they were willing to hate their husbands enough."

One woman, hired to work for a network of shelters in the St. Louis area, quit in disgust after only a few months because the residents “were subjected to a constant barrage of man-hating lesbian propaganda.

Life / 800 thousand Polish women are victims of domestic abuse yearly [180]


massnews.com/past_issues/other/8_Aug/domviin.htm

Excerpts: "Mapping the full extent of the domestic-violence industryis not easy, because it's a cottage-industry, spread out in hundreds of places. State and federal money goes to well over a hundred institutes, clinics, programs for counseling or outreach or coordination or training, computer databases, coalitions, shelters, PR agencies and other "

and there is this:
"The truth about violence in the home is that it's pretty much a 50-50 thing. Respected [i]social scientists Murray A. Straus and David Gelles have been publishing research for years that shows the standard Only-Men-Batter story--probably visible on a billboard near you -- just doesn't match reality.

Women and men attack each other about equally in the home. Solid research now shows that women begin the physical fighting in their homes about half the time. Equally solid research shows that mothers are responsible for 65 per cent of physical abuse of children.[/i]

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Check this out. Just read the last sentences of these numerous studies.
csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

So the question is; why is domestic violence against women always the issue?
Here's your answer from my previous link. A couragious woman named
Erin Prizzey wrote a book about it;

"When viewed through the PC lens of class oppression, domestic violence is not an act of violence committed by one individual against another. It is an act committed by men that must be correctly understood within the larger context of women's class oppression.

"[i]Prone to Violence" spelled out some of Pizzey's disagreements with that view.

Disagreement #1: Of the first 100 women who entered Chiswick, Pizzey found that over 60 percent were as violent or more violent than the men they were fleeing. In short, a significant percentage of the women were also batterers or otherwise active participants in the violence.

Disagreement #2: Pizzey developed the theory that many battered women were psychologically drawn to abusive relationships and they sought them out. To PC feminists, such analysis was tantamount to 'blaming the victim.'

Disagreement #3: She explained why the existing model of domestic violence shelters was ineffective. PC feminists were attempting then (and now) to secure ever greater financing for these operations. Sandra Horley, director of Chiswick in 1992, reportedly complained, "if we put across this idea that the abuse of men is as great as the abuse of women, then it could seriously affect our funding."[/i]

Life / 800 thousand Polish women are victims of domestic abuse yearly [180]


It is noticeable that only pictures of women (and children) are shown. That's typical and proves the point how one-dimentional the "DV" industry is.

Life / 800 thousand Polish women are victims of domestic abuse yearly [180]


I doubt if there is much of a difference.


That thread notes that female domestic violence exists in large numbers, in fact equal to men's domestic violence. "DV" is big business here in the U.S.A. It is driven by feminists with an anti-male agenda. More and more people are getting sick-and-tired of their one-sided presentations. Here is the answer to your inquiry.

foxnews.com/story/0,2933,197550,00.html
"Politically correct feminists maintain that women as a class are politically oppressed by men as a class, which means that every woman is oppressed by every man. Class oppression is the ideological lens through which PC feminism views all issues."

And how about this?
"1971, Pizzey opened the first battered wives shelter in England, which she ran until 1982. Arguably, the Chiswick Family Rescue was the second domestic violence shelter in the world. Pizzey's book "Scream Quietly or the Neighbours Will Hear" (1974, out of print) was one of the first to explore and expose wife battering.

Today, the shelter Pizzey founded denies her entry; her name does not appear in its official history.

Pizzey's 'mistake' was to diverge from the theory of domestic violence that feminists at the time insisted dominate all discussion. She believed that men could also be the victims of domestic violence, and that women could be as violent toward their partners as men."

So what's wrong with presenting the full facts?

Life / 800 thousand Polish women are victims of domestic abuse yearly [180]

It never ceases to amaze me how exaggerated these sorts of figures are. In the U.S. and in England women's groups would have you believe that every man is an abuser. Conversely, they deny existence of female domestic violence.

Perhaps this article helps put things in proper perspective.
safe4all.org/resources

Love / do polish girls consider a english man a good catch ? [126]

do polish girls consider a english man a good catch ?

Only if he comes with fish and chips

Love / Why are polish men so damned complicated? [53]


It's been obvious that you need to work on your tolerance and patience. Those virtues come in handy.

Love / Why are polish men so damned complicated? [53]

Hey, everybody has dated idiots. Someone makes a mistake, ok, that's strike one. Another mistake, then strike two. If it gets to strike three then you're out.

The flip side is how 'we' are to the significant other. Sometimes we don't see ourselves as others do. That's something to work on too.

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That's why I get paid the big bucks :)

Love / Why are polish men so damned complicated? [53]


Ok, so he is still immature but sorry about it. See, my advice still stands; talking it out is the first thing people should do - to get all the facts.

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Shelley is a proponent of female domestic violence so I wouldn't listen to her anti-male rantings.

If you 'feel' there is a 10 percent chance of getting together (it seems that you still care for him) than give it a shot; what's to lose. Maybe, just maybe it was just one of those bonehead things he did. If he is a player than lose him. Nothing wrong with a discussion; it's called communicating.

Love / Why are polish men so damned complicated? [53]

Tell him you care for him and that it 'hurts' you to know he is spending time with someone else. It's interesting that he texted you to let you know about the non emotional sex he was having. He should have told you personally. This may be a sign that he is breaking up with you.

Have a sit-down talk with him and tell him that you want a one-on-one relationship. If he goes for it then fine. If he hedges then you know where you stand with him.

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With men, YES. With women, sometimes.