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that can't make up its mind, can't adjust politically and economically
Thank you for helping. We have only 17 years of independance. Before that Russia ruled the country for 70 years and now we are 50 years behind the world's economies. At least we have freedom of speech whereas you can't say a word without looking over your shoulder. Sasha, fight for your country, make it free and on the way there try to mind your own business and not putting sticks in somebody else's spokes.
According to historians, OUN-UPA murdered 120 000 - 150 000 Poles.
It is not true - read the following:
"Kwasniewski (left) and Kuchma in Pavlivka on July 11, 2003 (epa)
According to Poland's National Remembrance Institute, in 1943 the UPA murdered some 60,000 civilian Poles in Volhynia, in anticipation of an independent Ukrainian state after the war and a plebiscite on which country, Poland or Ukraine, should possess the disputed area. The Polish AK subsequently resorted to retaliatory actions. According to Ukrainian estimates, the AK may have killed in retaliation as many as 20,000 Ukrainians in Volhynia.
The postwar period only added to the Polish-Ukrainian record of mutual wrongs and prejudices. In 1947, the Polish communist government forcibly resettled some 140,000 Ukrainians from their native areas in southeastern Poland to Poland's newly acquired northern and western territories. The official excuse for that mass expulsion was the desire to undercut the social base of support for the UPA in the area."
And where is your respect for innocent victims of your 'heroes'?
Where have you seen any word of disrespect to the victims? Porzeczka, of you are saying something support it first by quoting me. Don't lie.
"In 2002, Kwasniewski officially condemned the forcible resettlement of Polish Ukrainians by the communist authorities in 1947. Poles expected that Kuchma in 2003 would respond with an official apology for the wartime massacres of Poles in Volhynia. But Kuchma did not fulfill that expectation.
One should not expect any official apologies from either Yushchenko or Kaczynski in Pawlokoma. However, their meeting there seems to be a significant, even if small, step toward Ukrainian-Polish reconciliation."
Yes, Kwasniewski recognized wrongdoing in the forcible resettlement. But neither he nor Kuchma declared wrongdoing by UPA or Armija Krajowa. If it comes to this, we have on both sides to ban both organizations. On the other hand, I understand that as UPA so AK fought for independance of our countries from Nazi, Soviet Union (not sure about AK, but UPA fought Soviets as well) and each other. There were some groups within these organizations who did bestial things to innocent and I condemn them. If you start to tell me that 20,000 is much less than 60,000 and other stories, then there won't be any concensus on that either. Stop saying that I don't have respect to these victims. Don't make a beast out of me. But if you want to be just - be just to the end and don't stop in the middle of the road. If you consider to condemn and ban the organizations just on the basis of some retarded animals wrongdoings, then we have to ban them both so you can't see even those who never killed any innocent and put their head for their country.
