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osiol   
11 Oct 2007
Language / I know Russian language - will it help me learn Polish? [105]

I have two translations of Dostoevsky's 'Notes from the underground'.
They read like two very different books.
One was translated a couple of years ago, the other a few decades ago.
The translations will change, but the originals won't.
osiol   
11 Oct 2007
Language / Things Polish people who speak English language say [180]

the lack of distinction between 'cz' and 'ć' (just like between 'sz' and 'ś' and so on...) is probably the most common mistake made

I find it very difficult to hear the difference, although I think I know what the difference is.
If you don't have a sound in your own language, it is often much harder to hear it in other people's.
osiol   
11 Oct 2007
Life / Polish Views On Public Nudity [39]

practitioners seem to be 50-60 overwieght with saggy flesh and generaly scarey

And they do things like fry bacon at groin height in woodland clearings.
Frisbees are always popular too.

Or so I've been told...

... by someone I don't know.
osiol   
10 Oct 2007
News / Poland threatens to reject EU treaty [72]

Your argument doesn't stop, but your argument is weak.

linguistic, religious, spiritual, cultural, blood/genetic grouping

All different, for example:
Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, for example.
Native speakers of Slavonic languages do not have a common genetic origin.

I rest my case.
osiol   
10 Oct 2007
Language / Things Polish people who speak English language say [180]

A little example:
Whistle, written Polish-style, would be £ysł.

The variety of English accents/dialects is relevent to this topic because so many Polish people in the UK learn so much English from the people they speak to an a daily basis. So you usually get a hybrid accent of Polish / American English (from films, TV, possibly from English lessons in Poland), Standard British English (as much as one exists), and local accented English.
osiol   
10 Oct 2007
Language / Things Polish people who speak English language say [180]

sure there is a slight difference but not really much

Once again, I tell you: listen.

There is a difference in where your tongue is in your mouth.
There is a difference in how long you speak the vowel.
I find vowel differenciation in Polish a bit tricky at times.
To an English ear, the difference is big. Say it wrong and you're in trouble.

i am still not really clear on this student thing you were trying to get at

Many people in the part of the world where I live pronounce 'stu-' as 'sc-ch-u-'.
There is the same kind of slurring with 'str' which becomes 'sc-ch-r-'

shchring
shchupid
shchudent

It is not what most would call proper English - foreigners shouldn't really be learning it that way,
but it is there in some regional speak.

I was once told that the Polish barred L can't be pronounced by English speakers, even though all across the southeast of England, the letter L at the end of a word or before another consonant is pronounced by many people as a W (similar to the Polish barred L).

Many assumptions are made about English pronunciation which ignore the huge variety of forms of English.
osiol   
10 Oct 2007
Language / Things Polish people who speak English language say [180]

all my british and indian teachers always pronounced it

You're not hearing the difference between:

can't - long 'a' vowel - further back, close to the long American 'o' in 'gone'
c*nt - short, 'schwa' vowel - mid-central position.
osiol   
10 Oct 2007
Language / Things Polish people who speak English language say [180]

it's totaly different then the way the yanks say it which is closer to 'kent'

The lack of aspiration in Polish consonants leads the words 'Can' and 'Can't' to sound far too similar.
To distinguish between, I encourage all my szczudents to pronounce these words the English way.
This is also because I'm English and live in the southeast of England.
osiol   
10 Oct 2007
Language / Things Polish people who speak English language say [180]

i actually noticed that the brittons pronounce can't as the other word themselves

Only occasionally for humourous effect.

szcz

As in the word 'student'?
It depends on what English you speak.
osiol   
10 Oct 2007
Language / Dziewczyna i koń.... Dziewczynka i pies [22]

The only truely silent letter I have found so far is the (barred) L in jablko.
There must be a few more waiting to pounce on me.
osiol   
10 Oct 2007
Language / Things Polish people who speak English language say [180]

Not knowing whether to say 'a' / 'an' or 'the'.
The definite and indefinite articles are often omitted, and I can understand why.

It's not always easy to explain which one to use, or if neither should be used.
You explain it logically, then five minutes later, you say:

'Going to the pub? Which one?'

Drinking is not the answer.
osiol   
10 Oct 2007
Language / Expressing years in Polish [20]

Why do you put the "r" at the end? I know it stands for "rok" but

I think I have seen in some Latin-derived languages, they have the letter 'a' there, meaning annum.

What about centuries?
Some languages have a tendency to use Roman numerals.
XXI being where we are now.
osiol   
10 Oct 2007
Language / Expressing years in Polish [20]

How are years said in words?

1997 - nineteen ninety seven
2001 - two thosand and one / twenty-o-one

in Polish, please.

I suppose:

it happened in 1984
... until 2012

these use a different case?

In words, please, someone.
osiol   
10 Oct 2007
Language / I know Russian language - will it help me learn Polish? [105]

I bet learning the Cyrillic alphabet isn't the hardest part.

very different from other slavic languages (in writing)

Except Serbian, Bulgarian, Ukrainian, some of the lesser known Finno-Ugrian languages. Any more?

I'd like to learn Russian, if only for the great literature.
But I really can't be bothered.
If I learnt another language, it would be Portuguese.
That way, there would be less chance of getting mixed up between the more similar Russian and Polish.
osiol   
9 Oct 2007
Life / How much do you HATE POLISH PEOPLE and POLAND [1260]

Alright, stop being so pure and polite.
Learn to tell them in Polish that they're not clever, they are big and why don't they just **** off.
It's just a thought.
Not a very good one, mind.

I think the first people I would head for would be fellow countrymen

I don't think this is what I would do at all.
More English people? I have to put up with enough of them in England!
osiol   
9 Oct 2007
Life / How much do you HATE POLISH PEOPLE and POLAND [1260]

If, by this, you mean this:

intergrate these ladies fro your culture into ours without being laughed at

That is a difficult question.
Many migrant workers are there to work, not integrate.
The best you can do is be polite and fair, but without trying to be matey or anything.
If someone is rude to you, sometimes there's just no point escalating things by being rude back.
You'd do better to keep a good example, and if they don't want to follow, there is little you can do.

Some people will just be difficult people. They can come from anywhere and will appear in all walks of life.
osiol   
9 Oct 2007
Life / How much do you HATE POLISH PEOPLE and POLAND [1260]

all I want to know is why some of the Polish ladies are doing this to us Irish gals? A friendly working atmosphere is all i want!

Is your place of work totally mixed, nationality-wise?
You might just have a bad crowd.
Is there one who seems to trigger the others off or lead by bad example.
Are the work conditions a bit dodgy, and it's their way of coping?

I know i should not judge all the ladies from Poland with the experiences that i have had

I'm glad you say this.
Think before you type.
It would be a better place if we all did this.
osiol   
9 Oct 2007
Life / Why do poles drink & drive? [82]

Overall the problem is slowly getting better, but among young men, it's actually getting worse

A tiny piece of anecdotal evidence (maybe it's not evidence - merely an observation).
On holiday in Poland not so many moons ago, the driver who took us there didn't drink and drive.
The youngsters I went to the pub with also didn't drink and drive.
Their alcohol consumption seemed quite sensible to my beery English eyes.

I did, however, see too many bunches of flowers by the sides of roads - roads that I didn't feel at my safest on.
osiol   
9 Oct 2007
Language / I know Russian language - will it help me learn Polish? [105]

the Polish do not have much luck in learning Russian

On the whole the Japanese do not have much luck in learning Swahili,
but those who decide that's what they want to do, and really give it a go, are a little more successful.

Polish people will probably get luckier learning English, even if, as I imagine, it is more difficult for them to learn.
osiol   
8 Oct 2007
History / Polish resettlement camps in Britain 1945 [82]

Typically uneducated Brit confused by the history lessons he had at school!

I can almost count the number of history lessons I had at school on my fingers.
I had to choose Geography instead - that's why I know where Poland is.
osiol   
7 Oct 2007
History / Polish resettlement camps in Britain 1945 [82]

they live in the past

Enough of the world does that already.

Thats because us Brits did do everything

Were you there? I thought it was more of a combined effort.
osiol   
7 Oct 2007
News / Poland threatens to reject EU treaty [72]

There are many different ways people are more similar or more different.
Why choose a linguistic grouping over anything else?

I am just one voice of milions of voices

Only most of the others are saying completely different things.
osiol   
7 Oct 2007
UK, Ireland / Stop the Polish from entering the UK (yet another thread) [192]

surely however we can trade with who we like, we are in the power position, we can pick and choose so to speak

No.
A bit.
On whose terms?

dont confuse me now

It would be very easy if you actually listened to anyone.
osiol   
7 Oct 2007
Food / Golumki (Golabki) [12]

Is it really named after pigeon?
If so, why?