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How do you Poles feel about the fact that so many Poles work abroad? [145]
But it's all right with you when those millions are there, whereas a relatively small number of Poles
Your words,not mine buddy. To enlighten you as to my view,Im happy for anyone to come here to make a life for themselves,whether they decide to stay for life is irelevent .As it happens,most Asians or Afro Caribabeans that came here at the end of(or in a lot of cases ,during) the 2nd world war and over the next few years were,believe it or not,coming to a land they considered "the motherland" (yep,the old Empire might have had its share of injustices but,overall ,with the exception of Zimbabwe,all our former dominions and teritories still have very close and friendly ties with the UK,ie,The Commenwealth.). Their homelands may have been thousands of miles away but in most eyes,and you can talk to old folks about this,but they considered Britain their new home. They came over a number of years,in very small numbers at first and tended to head for a few of the biggest cities where there were 5 jobs for every worker . Over the years these people had families,leading to another posters claim that most of the ethnic minorities in Britain today were born here being correct.
On the other hand,compare a trickle of,at first hundreds then no more than a few thousand immigrants,over a period of about 25 years,in a period of genuine full employment and to begin with only living where jobs were plentifull. Then look at,over a million and a half people,coming from somewhere with no real ties to the UK,with no interest on the whole of becoming British and moving no only to the big cities in huge numbers,but also moving in large numbers to relitivly small towns all over the UK........
actually,puzzy,Im bored of you now.....
Hello again,
That's a good question. I don't really know. Maybe they can come to the US? Just kidding :)
Hi again Gab, yep,some people can go to the US,or Canada or anywhere else to seak "better oppertunities" ,but,on the whole these are not the people affected by mass immigration,ie,these are well qualified people (or these countries wouldnt let em in :) ) that are moving abroad,its the ones who,maybe through lack of qualifications/oppertunities dont have the option to just up sticks.
So, you're saying locals can't obtain work at all? Or in some sectors only? Big cities or in suburban areas?
Its not as clear cut as that im afraid Gab,undoubtedly there are areas of the UK where many locals are struggling to find work due to employment agencies having a strangle hold on many sectors ,and many of these are going for the cheap opption of hiring people for wages that locals can barely live on. In many areas wages have gone down a silly amount ,as a student in the 90s I worked in a warehouse,I earned about £9.00 per hour,those same jobs are now paying about £6.00 per hour.Fine if your over here staying in a shared bedsit and happy to eat bake beans every day(ie students,under 25s ;) ) but if this is your livelyhood,with a familiy to bring up and a house to pay for this is a misery.
The biggest areas for these problems Gab,to answer the second part of your Q' is,IMO, the more "suburban" areas,or small towns,rural areas.
Small towns,where suddenly there is a very visable influx of thousands of new comers in areas where,in many cases ,economicaly speaking,things had only just started to recover after the decimation of the 1980s are finding it hard to cope,where previously there was a trickle of new comers there was for a while a flood,this impacted highly on many local facilities such as schools and hospitals as well as housing which were all in a streched position prior to 04.
Rural areas,well,thats a double edge sword,farmers /landowners are happy ,they have a full supply of manual labour during the summer( yep,many locals dont like this work,but they would take it,there just wernt enough locals for the farmers to expand buisness.) . Trouble is,many thousnads are now staying full time in those rural areas,the few "winter" jobs available just dont strech roun this vastly expanded population.Yet again,many of those winter jobs the local labourers used to take were,you guessed it,semi skilled warehouse type work !!Guess what,wages down,percieved cheap labour favoured over pesky locals,yet again..
But you have to admit that there has been almost a campaign targeting the Polish. It's like there is a campaign against Mexicans in the USA. The issues are a little different, but there is a resemblance in the approach to that.
Yep,I agree,in certain sectors there can,at times,appear to have been a "campaign" against the Polish,but,this is confined to right wing tabliods,and,if you read those front to back you will realise tht,frankly,the Poles are not the only people regularly attacked by these nasty little rags.
What I will say though is,on the whole,people are not talking about any " Polish situation" they have read about in a distant city,but directly about their local area and how they personally may have been affected. The thing to remember though, these attitudes dont come down to the fact that "you" are Polish,there had been bubbling discontent regarding succesive governments immigration policies for years prior to 2004,if you like,the million and a half people who came here could have been from any other country,they would still have been seen by some as the Straws that broke the camals back.
We all agreed to be a part of the EU, for better or for worse. LOL Now we have to bear the consequences of this union, contractually I mean. The problems will always be there. It's a complex matter.
Im a big supporter of close ties in Europe,Europes had enough wars and death over the last few hundred years ,anything that helps do away with the madness is fine by me. But,the EU is going to be a rocky road,mistakes were made and ,as usual,it was the people at the bottom of lifes heap who got dumped on.
How do British people feel about other British people moving to countries like Canada or Australia for better work opportunities?
Good on em.
Two of them moved to Canada, one to Australia, another to the US, and even one to China,
Nice one,sounds like my address book too :)
taking their skills and spending power elsewhere.
AAhh,bu**er,there where it all goes pear shape....SKILLS, not everyone is lucky enough(or indead,skilled enough) to have skills,a trade,or qualifications(or confidence) that are a ticket to a work permit in any of these countries...woops,they are the people mostly affected by the recent mass immigration, " whats that,
did I hear someone calling Major Major and captain Yossarrian?"
