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osiol   
10 Jan 2008
Life / Do Polish people tend to stick together? [49]

anyone who says they wouldnt want contact with people of their own nationality whilst living in a foreign country is talking complete tosh!

That's if you think nationality really gives everyone some vital connection to who they are above all the other things that make us individuals. Nationality is such a tiny part of life.
osiol   
10 Jan 2008
UK, Ireland / What's So Great About The UK? [416]

Name a city, it's probably ugly as sin

Bath. London (see Waterloo Bridge). St. Albans (a bit small for a city, but...) Durham, Oxford, Cambridge (I could have mentioned one without the other).
osiol   
10 Jan 2008
Life / Polish dentists - good and cheap? [84]

I don't pay any attention to the nationality of my dentist. I just screw my eyes up and hum to myself so I can't hear anything (or just scream).
osiol   
10 Jan 2008
UK, Ireland / What's So Great About The UK? [416]

I'm feeling a bit left out here with my lack of Scottishness, so instead I shall mention the fantastic views of London you get from Waterloo Bridge, both up and down the river.

I can't help but mention the amazing people from around the world you get to meet here too.
osiol   
10 Jan 2008
Life / "I can spot a Pole a mile away" - Polish fashion? [146]

It's the first time I heard that it's quite popular among Hungarians and Lithuanians though.

I work with two Hungarians. One tells me it is a very rude word. The other (his girlfriend) is not the sort of girl you say very rude things to (unless, I imagine, you are her boyfriend). I've also been working with two Lithuanians. They don't use the word like Poles do - I've only heard it once (not a seemingly infinite number of times as I'm used to). A fellow English colleague of mine has even tried to say it, although he can't roll his Rs.
osiol   
10 Jan 2008
UK, Ireland / What's So Great About The UK? [416]

Real ale, gnarled old hollow oak trees, windy country lanes and The Clash.

Sorry, just answering the original question.
osiol   
10 Jan 2008
UK, Ireland / What's So Great About The UK? [416]

how long you been here

My daddy's bigger than your daddy.

edit: Notice how he hasn't posed this as a question, but as a statement.
osiol   
10 Jan 2008
UK, Ireland / What's So Great About The UK? [416]

I have paid far more tax than you polack

Why do you think everyone here is Polish?
osiol   
10 Jan 2008
Life / "I can spot a Pole a mile away" - Polish fashion? [146]

A driver appeared at work today to pick up a few plants. Immediately I thought he looked Polish. We lifted the heavy sacks of shrubs into the back of his van. I'm not sure whether it was the weather, the weight or if a thorn bit him, but he did say 'Kurwa!'.

Still, the popularity of that word amongst Slavic and even non-Slavic languages such as Hungarian and Lithuanian mean I might have been wrong.
osiol   
10 Jan 2008
UK, Ireland / What's So Great About The UK? [416]

If you're only paying taxes for a short time, that balances only receiving (some of) the services they pay for for a short time.

The polish get most of their tax rebated back to them when they leave britain.

For the umpteenth time of asking, give me evidence.
osiol   
10 Jan 2008
Life / Polish dentists - good and cheap? [84]

Poland can be cheaper but the quality of work is much more variable

Do it yourself and it will be even cheaper still and the quality of work even more variable.

Have you had your teeth done in Poland? If so, how many decades ago?
osiol   
9 Jan 2008
Feedback / Wrong attribution of quote [8]

cry us a river, ok?

That's a misquote. What would Julie London say?

Sometimes it is worth pointing these things out if something can be done about it.
Imagine having some of noimmigration's vomit being quoted as your own, for example.
osiol   
9 Jan 2008
Feedback / Wrong attribution of quote [8]

You can highlight any text on a page, then click any quote button and hey presto! You've just put words into someone else's mouth.

FAQ & Feedback

I'd rather they go under the name of their rightful author

osiol   
9 Jan 2008
Travel / Donkey visits Poland [76]

Thanks for your compliments.

Who is Grzegorz?

Maybe he will feature in the next part.

Part 6

'Gregor is no good man.' Darek shook his head.
'What did he do?' I asked, wondering why Darek always called him Gregor when talking to me.
He had stayed for the barbeque on the day we arrived, then driven on to his home town. The idea had been that I would stay for three days with Darek and his family, then another three days with Grzegorz and his family.

'I call him... No answer. I call again.. No answer...'
I thought about how one of their friends in Slough had entrusted Greg (the usual name for him amongst us English) with a big handful of money to pass on to his family. This man had also been trying to call Grzegorz, and had also been calling Darek repeatedly, asking after his whereabouts.

But I was on holiday. The weather was still hot and sunny. The food was good. I liked the local beer more than I liked some of the other Polish beers I had tried. Most of all, I liked the people. Worrying about Grzegorz was, at the time, something I just couldn't be bothered to do. 'Let's have a beer.' I suggested as a way of solving some of the problems we faced. This usually worked, but Darek was wearing his worries on his face - I could see it, and for once he opted instead to pace up and down, watching the phone, waiting for a call.

The only calls that ever came were from their friend in Slough. But eventually, we did sneak off for a beer.

It was only when Sebastian, his lovely girlfriend and I had gone to buy a pair of shoes - I needed a new pair - that I really thought about it. This time Sebastian was driving his girlfriend's car and I thought 'If Grzegorz doesn't appear, how the hell do we get back to England? Sod it! I'm on holiday! I think I'll go for brown shoes this time.'

Recognising numbers is one of my better skills in Polish, but Sebastian still had a habit of beating me to it and taking the money off me and handing it over. Obviously, I'm not going to be as fast as a Pole in this respect, and recognising all the different notes and coins takes some getting used to. But I stayed relaxed about it. If that's what he wants to do, I'll leave him to it. Although I never had any problems when buying a sneaky couple of bottles of £omża Mocne in the shop around the corner.

Grzegorz never called. We never saw him again. Is it really worth running away with someone else's £1000? He is still a wanted man.

Part 7

Bartek, the younger of the two sons, did not have a girlfriend at the time, so he spent more of his time hanging round with his mates. I went out drinking with them a couple of times and I was slightly suprised how little they drank in comparison to both Darek and some of the older generation I knew, and to myself and my mates when I was in my late teens and early twenties.

The first bar we went to was a wooden construction in the main square in the town centre, with most of the tables and chairs out in the open. Each of us went to buy our own beer, usually one at a time, rather than the practise I am more familiar with where everyone has to catch up with the fastest drinker in order to be in for the next round.

£ukasz spoke very good English, although with a funny accent compared to everyone else I knew. Partly, I think this is because he made more of an effort to imitate the many and varied English vowel sounds. He had a habit of trying to translate everything they were all saying, and this did become a bit jarring after a while, when I wanted to just sit there and listen, regardless of whether or not I understood what was going on.

Later on that evening in another establishment, Bar Pod Koniami (not Bar Pod Osłami!) we had a slightly unwelcome inclusion to the group. A man, probably in his early thirties, had decided to join us. Although we we all slightly drunk, he was more so. Just from what I could see, it looked as though he fancied Marcin. £ukasz returned from the bar and the translation commentary started up again. 'I can't translate what he is saying. It's disgusting! I don't even want to tell you what he's saying. That man is horrible!'

I'm sure it would have been possible to translate, but there is so much that can be guessed that it wasn't entirely necessary. However, £ukasz, with his strange brand of cigarettes that are thinner than usual, his mannerisms and his soft voice, all came together to make him appear somewhat effeminate. Not only that, but this was something Bartek had joked about before.

I tried to take a few photographs of everyone that evening. I don't like to use flash as it tends to flatten the image and make the eyes red. Without it, pictures tend to have a more natural look - they can be lightened later on. The main problem with this technique is that the slightest movement anyone makes causes it to become blurred. If the movement is in the hand that holds the camera, everything is blurred.

I decided to get the dodgy man to take a picture of the rest of us. 'Simple - you just press that button there...'
Not simple! A worse photographer than even myself.

The evening seemed to finish just when I thought it was getting going, so we stopped off at the twenty-four hour garage so I could buy just one more bottle. Why greeting the ekspedientka with a friendly 'Dobry wieczor, pani!' caused so much giggling from everyone else is something of a mystery to me. Did I use the wrong grammatical case or something? I don't know! I thought it corresponded perfectly to my 'Good evening, madam.' or 'Good evening, miss!' that I would use in the same situation back home.

Pesky kids!
osiol   
9 Jan 2008
Life / Do Polish people tend to stick together? [49]

just look at the enclaves of british expats throughout the world

I think I'd rather not. If I'm in Poland, the last thing I think I want to see is another Briton, especially if they're English - I have the feeling it would diminish my novelty value status.

The Poles I know or have known in the United Kingdom of... have either all stuck together if they intend to go back home after a while, or completely go it alone if their intention is to stay here.
osiol   
9 Jan 2008
UK, Ireland / I'm writing a Dissertation on the Polish experience in England [8]

probably see you working with the poles in mcdonalds once you graduate

I'm glad to hear that there are some job prospects for someone like you, Mr. Immigration (odd first name you've got - I used to know a dog with the same name - his brother was called Down Boy)...

... so you've informed us that you'll be working in McDonalds - where I never go.
osiol   
8 Jan 2008
Life / "well-off" income in poland [26]

What I meant was, what kind of wage is just about enough to support someone living in a typical Polish town?
osiol   
8 Jan 2008
Travel / Donkey visits Poland [76]

Osioł's Previous Adventure Part 5
long ago in a galaxy far, far away...

The kitchen table was covered with home-smoked meats and sausages, hard boiled eggs, sliced tomatoes, pickled cucumbers, mugs of black tea and black coffee. It was delicious and all a bit much to deal with. Darek hadn't seen his family for so long, and his level of swearing seemed to diminish for once. His wife hovering to provide whatever seemed to be required. The dogs were still running round excitedly.

When you're not really sure what to say to anyone and your brain is tired from sitting on your arse for so long, dogs are just what you need. You can talk to them in any language and they don't seem to mind, even if these dogs only understood Polish fluently. German shepherds are intelligent dogs, so at least one of the two probably picked up on what I was saying.

I watched how everyone else was tucking into their food - when to start, how much to use your fingers, whether or not it's okay to just lunge across the table for something. Trying to gauge the right kind of level and avoid making any faux-pas. Luckily there were no particular suprises, especially once the half-finished cup of coffee was suddenly replaced by a bottle of beer.

But all too quickly, Daerk's elder son, who had been eyeing up Grzegorz's right-hand drive car, got the word that he could borrow it. 'You are coming for a drive.' he almost ordered me. It had got to a stage where I was happy just to eat, then relax with a beer.

Next thing I'm suddenly in a car with Daerk's son and two of his mates, being driven at great speed out into the countryside. They had all learnt some English at school. Sebastian probably knew his English from paying attention at school, whereas Marcin's English probably came more from computer games and South Park, particularly the swearing to make up for forgiveably badly-constructed sentences.

The Animal Museum was apparently our first destination. It was an almost deserted building under some trees. It contained drawings, pictures and cabinet after cabinet housing various animal and bits-of-animal specimens. 'The Dead Animal Museum' I called it. But one of the first things we encountered was a stuffed bear, reared up on its hind legs, with a growly sort of expression fixed on its face for the rest of time. I jumped between its mighty arms and pretended it was attacking me, accidentally causing it to rock slightly on its plinth. (Bears in the wild don't normally have plinths do they?)

Quickly, a couple of pictures were taken, which came out blurred from the speed of the bear's attack, from how much we were all laughing and from the dinginess of the room. 'Yes it is a bit. Let's go.' so away we went.

There is an old underground bunker complex in one of the hills above £omża - all dark, falling down and obviously used by local kids for somewhere to go and drink and get up to all the things they are not supposed to. I seem to remember some drinking occurred at about this time.

Pretty soon we'd moved on to the centre of town where I bought a new pair of black jeans and a couple of tee-shirts and possibly more beer. They were nice guys. They welcomed me and threw me into some odd situations wher the best way to deal with it was just to be as insane as I like to be. They had a good laugh listening to eachother trying to speak English, and possibly wondering who this strange bloke from England was, but at least he allowed himself to get attacked by their local bear and seemed to enjoy the local beer. (You could possibly swap the words beer and bear in that last bit and it would almost make as much sense).

'No more beer now. We have barbeque. There is more beer there.'
'Fantastic!.
osiol   
8 Jan 2008
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

And what about Scotland?

Which was also a part of the colonisation of Ireland. Also, anyone heard of the Highland clearances?
osiol   
8 Jan 2008
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

Britons (England particularly)

Why single out England? Would you care to elaborate? Is the south of England worse than the north?
osiol   
8 Jan 2008
Genealogy / Buczkowski origin? [6]

buk ‘beech’

Fagus sylvatica being the Latin-derived scientific name of this particular deciduous tree.
osiol   
8 Jan 2008
Love / How can I conquer a Polish woman? [84]

whisper "kurwa masz" in her ear

Noooooo!!!!!

'Jestem zboczony. Chcę pizde.' has got to work much better.
osiol   
8 Jan 2008
Travel / Donkey visits Poland [76]

Osioł's Previous Adventure Part 2
Still not in chronological order

We'd been in the car for most of the last 24 hours and we were not far from our destination, £omża. It was Sunday morning, and we could see people, families, heading for church. Then, in front of us, I saw a man, obviously a priest from what he was wearing - pretty much the full works. The car slowed down.

"Hide the vodka. Move up. Make room." I was ordered. The car stopped and the priest got in as I sat uncomfortably ontop of a pile of coats and a half drunk half bottle of vodka. I dared not move too much as the young priest sat down and the car took off once again. I'm not sure what he would have thought if he had seen it. I imagine he would have given us a good talking to.

As it was, he gave us a good talking to anyway. For the next twenty minutes, Grzegorz drove, Darek was fairly quiet (for a change) and the priest talked and talked and talked. I didn't understand a word of it. That is, until I heard someone introduce me as their English abductee. "Hi." he said, as he shook my hand. I tried to politely return a "Dzień dobry." to him.

After we dropped him off, we stopped at a roadside cafe for one last beer of the journey.

Osioł's Previous Adventure Part 3
Actually, so far this has run in sequence.
The lady in the shop seemed pleased to see Darek again after the previous few months he had spent in England. Typically, he did a lot of talking. 'What is going on here?' was something faintly going round my mind in the background quite a lot of the time, but now was a time where this thought came to the fore. I looked down for a moment at the slippers I was still wearing. I had thought we were just going out to sit on the balcony, but no - we had walked down the road, round the corner and into a small shop.

'What is going on here?' Actually, I already knew the answer. Piwo! Two bottles of £omża Mocne left the fridge, were opened on the counter and one was thrust into my hand.

Round the back of the shop there were a couple of wooden benches, a parasol and a grape vine. There were five or six blokes, most of them quite old sitting round. All of them drinking. I noticed that we weren't the only ones in slippers. One of the guys there, Darek told me, was an architect, but he didn't look like he was doing any architecture at the time. Another had also worked for a time in England, but was also back home.

Darek introduced me. One of the guys spoke to me in German! I responded by putting on a comedy German accent and saying 'Ja... nie rozumiem!' The next time this happened, I had learnt a better way of saying 'I don't speak German.' but I think my first response was the better one.

Osioł's Previous Adventure Part 4
This is where it becomes apparent that chronology is not my strong point.
The team at work had gradually settled down to the same four blokes every day. They were all Polish from this agency, and although they had a ridiculous distance to travel every day, they all seemed to enjoy the work. It must be, at least in part, something to do with the great outdoors, working with nature and the fun of getting to drive golf buggies.

I had been picking up on Polish phrases for a while. It started with numbers as they're an easy thing to start with. After numbers came a few simple commands - the next job is... please go to... finish that first, and so on. Then came the swear words. They're always easy to remember.

One day, it had been decided that on Friday afternoon, we'd all sit round in the car park, under the trees, drink a bottle of vodka and eat some Polish food. Shamefully, only one of my English colleagues dared to join us. The others made their excuses and went home as one bottle, then another, of Polish vodka emerged from the back of their car, along with Polish bread, Polish mustard and Polish sausages.

From what I remember, we had a splendid time, and I carefully took my bike the long way down footpaths on the way home rather than go anywhere near any roads. I hasten to add, the driver that day did not have a drink. I think I must have made up for his abstinence.

On Monday morning, I heard the news 'In two weeks, me and Darek drive to Poland. You are coming.'
'What?'
'You agreed on Friday!'

Should I have been making this a bit shorter? I have another 5 chapters or so.