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Ironside:My question if both Poles and Ukrainians were defending their territory - who was right ? both?
Still waiting for an answer.
Yes, they both had the right. The weaker lost, the stronger won. Simple.
Well, there is your interpretation and I know nothing about it.
And seriously I doubt your revelations about him
Let me answer with your own words:
don't expect me to go along with you on this path of self deny. :):):):):)
Look, according to today`s standards of IPN, Kuraś was just another butcher whose only bright side was that he fought against Germans.
******** action and reaction ?It wasn't reaction adequate to anything and I don't think that Poles would had done the some if the situation were reversed.
Let me answer with your own words:
Do you know that for a fact ? Can you prove it?:):):)
On the said territory only 56% of the population were Ukrainian, most of the towns, industry, wealth and educated people were Polish,
Hmm, they taught me in primary school long ago that 56% make the majority. What percentage was Polish? 20%??? And you want to keep Ukrainian lands with such numbers? :):):):)
for one they could not be able to constitute proper government without cooperation from the Poles because there was not enough educated Ukrainians.
Hmm, I heard that Poles closed all Ukrainian schools and universities before the war. It is called educational cleansing. :):):)
They aspiration at the times were idiotic and dangerous to stability of any state, and considering that there were never an Ukrainian state it was impossible to do otherwise
Idiotic? How can the aspirations of 56% people be idiotic?
It was Poles who started the cleansing before the war - Ukrainian culture, organizations and religion were destined for removal, Ukrainians were to become Polish.
I hope you are constant in your very citizen like attitude.
Yes, I am. I have supported Ukrainian cause since 1991. I am realistic, unlike you. I understand what gains there are for Poland from independent Ukraine:):):):)
It just a thought but you and Nathan are coming across as one person - are you?
When you finally come to conclusion that we aren`t, I will also posikam się ze szczęscia. :):):):):)
pawian:
Come on, be realistic. Nothing like that is going to happen. That is what irritated me about you previously - your fighting for a lost cause. :):):):)
Do you know that for a fact ? Can you prove it?
:):):):):):):):) You are very romantic in your fight for this lost cause of retaking any lands for Poland. So Polish...... :):):):)
Secondly, what you call colonizations ?
By colonization I mean controlling the foreign land with an ethnic group which is larger than your own and which opposes your rule and wants to abolish it. Decolonization took place after WW2 when all ethnic groups larger than colonizers rebelled against their rulers. So was the case in Ukraine.
Ah but they do! Don't believe me? Ask BB!
Look, it would be funny to form our knowledge of contemporary Germans on the case of BB (who is pulling your leg most of the time, BTW), just like it would be funny to form it about contemporary Poles on your case.
As for 800 years - thats wrong, check your informations.
Giving dates to prove any rights? Very well. So, let me again remind you that the Polish state vanished from the map of Europe for 123 years - from 1795 to 1918. And it happened through Polish grave mistakes.
Really ? What about Northern Ireland? Crazy?
What percentage of Irish population in NI supports British rule? As far as I know, they make the majority, unlike in Ukraine.
And quite that nonsense about colonies , will you?
No, why? When you look at the map of Poland from 10 century, you will see that Poland expanded eastwards at the cost of Rusin population. If in 20 century Poles were still in minority in these lands, it meant a colonization failed.
If you bend backward to accommodate everyone it may happen that someone will take advantage of you.
Very well. You go your own path, I will go mine. We`ll see where we shall meet in future. :):):)
One piece of advise - Poland is a democratic country. In next elections vote politicians who desire to change borders with Ukraine. They might represent you in the parliament and continue your fight by political or military means.
But, I am afraid you won`t find too many. They are not crazy..... :):):):):):)
I consider your demands very harmful to Poland. Even if there are more like you here and you formulate your demands formally and start political debate about it, you are going to gain nothing, but we and Poland may lose a lot. Anti-Polish sentiments might again rise in Ukraine. You are blind to such a possibility or don`t care and that was the second reason I was irritated at you in the past. But now I have calmed down. Weed smokers, as you say, happen. :):):):):):):)
