Lukasz
22 Sep 2007
News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]
I hope so as well
I hope one day that everyone can just forget the past and move on. Poland and Germany could move on to do great things one day!
I hope so as well
Lukasz
22 Sep 2007
News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]
There are more and more well paid jobs in Poland for people with higer education, Poland is changing, wages increased this year about 10%, and "Pawels" or "Tomeks" dont seam to be proud and satsfied form work they do in uk it is realy good that they are not satsfied like some nations being proud they can give pieces of paper towels and perfumes in toilets, what is more you should notice that more and more of them work in better paid jobs ... and Germany with their 100% average of EU GDP (there are new Europeans as well) ... They are not at the top of the EU ladder. they spend 5.2 % of GDP on education what gives them 21 place from 27 OECD countries ... I dont see their system tempting. Yes there are 80 mln people (i m not going to count native Germans), but in my opinion we should support more succesful nations in EU than Germans (they stoped liberalisation of EU services reform because they feel fear to competite with us), Merkel have just lost good time for reforms in her country, she shines now but we will see what will happen in future. To be hones I dont want anything bad for Germans, but their country is weaker than it was 10 year ago in comparison to others, there are more developed countries than they have ...
What is more, yes they pay Euro for our develpoment ... France, UK, Holand, Spain pays as well, so what is wrong we share vison of EU with other nation than Germany ...
What do we contriube, we opened our market for EU products, not for USA or Japan or Russian or Chinease, our import increased about 23% in 2006, so you have some profits. Our labouers are good for your economy as well. And our politicas dont say that when we will be richer we will not pay for poorer. Spain or Ireland in the past were benefits now help us ... I dont care about stereotypes about Poland, I know we are able to be better. Before the war we were richer than a lot of "old europeans" like Spain, Grecee, Sweeden, Norway, Finland ... and just 20 years after geting independence after WWI when we made one country from peaces of different countries with other economies ... Now we are on good way we have 7% GDP increase with the lowes EU inflation, compare it to German or yours... Our society is young and dinamic, we become better educated compare it to germans. Im not telling we want to take political european leadership, but i dont see the reason to dont belive we can show them we are nation with the future. We are nation of individualist our citizens are able to go to foregin coutry earn money and come back and run their own bussines, fortuantely time of marching nations is over, now is the time of nations like we are (dinamic individualists) ...
I like to look on Ireland they had the same problems with they grate civilizated English firends who expolrated their country and were showing them as poor catolic lazy alkoholiks, and now they become richer (per capita) more developed, better educated than UK citizens and everybody know that. The difference betwen us and them is that we are 38 mln nation so we have simillar potential as Spain and I think we rather will go their way of development
According to UK citizens who worked in Germany in the past. Why they are now in UK ?
Poles now started to chose other coutries to work because Germany isnt so strong as they were in the past. What is more merkel isnt going to reform their country, it is germans problem, but we just dont want to folow them, we think there are other countries with better expirience.
and this is the prove of their weaknes:
ishatu last time I have watched nice movie about England
ssupload.com/media-764.html
I know why you worked in Germany (life conditions) And I think that then they were symbol of success, but now it looks much different.
There are more and more well paid jobs in Poland for people with higer education, Poland is changing, wages increased this year about 10%, and "Pawels" or "Tomeks" dont seam to be proud and satsfied form work they do in uk it is realy good that they are not satsfied like some nations being proud they can give pieces of paper towels and perfumes in toilets, what is more you should notice that more and more of them work in better paid jobs ... and Germany with their 100% average of EU GDP (there are new Europeans as well) ... They are not at the top of the EU ladder. they spend 5.2 % of GDP on education what gives them 21 place from 27 OECD countries ... I dont see their system tempting. Yes there are 80 mln people (i m not going to count native Germans), but in my opinion we should support more succesful nations in EU than Germans (they stoped liberalisation of EU services reform because they feel fear to competite with us), Merkel have just lost good time for reforms in her country, she shines now but we will see what will happen in future. To be hones I dont want anything bad for Germans, but their country is weaker than it was 10 year ago in comparison to others, there are more developed countries than they have ...
What is more, yes they pay Euro for our develpoment ... France, UK, Holand, Spain pays as well, so what is wrong we share vison of EU with other nation than Germany ...
What do we contriube, we opened our market for EU products, not for USA or Japan or Russian or Chinease, our import increased about 23% in 2006, so you have some profits. Our labouers are good for your economy as well. And our politicas dont say that when we will be richer we will not pay for poorer. Spain or Ireland in the past were benefits now help us ... I dont care about stereotypes about Poland, I know we are able to be better. Before the war we were richer than a lot of "old europeans" like Spain, Grecee, Sweeden, Norway, Finland ... and just 20 years after geting independence after WWI when we made one country from peaces of different countries with other economies ... Now we are on good way we have 7% GDP increase with the lowes EU inflation, compare it to German or yours... Our society is young and dinamic, we become better educated compare it to germans. Im not telling we want to take political european leadership, but i dont see the reason to dont belive we can show them we are nation with the future. We are nation of individualist our citizens are able to go to foregin coutry earn money and come back and run their own bussines, fortuantely time of marching nations is over, now is the time of nations like we are (dinamic individualists) ...
I like to look on Ireland they had the same problems with they grate civilizated English firends who expolrated their country and were showing them as poor catolic lazy alkoholiks, and now they become richer (per capita) more developed, better educated than UK citizens and everybody know that. The difference betwen us and them is that we are 38 mln nation so we have simillar potential as Spain and I think we rather will go their way of development
According to UK citizens who worked in Germany in the past. Why they are now in UK ?
Poles now started to chose other coutries to work because Germany isnt so strong as they were in the past. What is more merkel isnt going to reform their country, it is germans problem, but we just dont want to folow them, we think there are other countries with better expirience.
and this is the prove of their weaknes:
ishatu last time I have watched nice movie about England
ssupload.com/media-764.html
I know why you worked in Germany (life conditions) And I think that then they were symbol of success, but now it looks much different.
Lukasz
22 Sep 2007
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]
truhlei
according low-cost cottages :))))
I was just checking If you are as good in business as it is considered in Poland. LOL
Now I know why you are so disappointed by democracy and capitalists in '90s :))))
I just imagine western managers coming to your country and tellling nice stories :)))
I know stereotypes about Poles in Russia (calculating, ungrateful, cold, greedy) now I think it is possible we look so in comparison to you :)))
I just think about selling my business in Poland and moving to Russia to do business there :)
And theory about good nation leaded by bloody regime is true. Look as in 1917, now truhlei is living in virtual world created by some dictators like Putin. And with all symphaty to russians ;) we are not going to be submisive in relationships to Putin and his poor manipulated nation (they realy think they are deffnding their country by killing EU citizens or blackmailing)
truhlei
according low-cost cottages :))))
I was just checking If you are as good in business as it is considered in Poland. LOL
Now I know why you are so disappointed by democracy and capitalists in '90s :))))
I just imagine western managers coming to your country and tellling nice stories :)))
I know stereotypes about Poles in Russia (calculating, ungrateful, cold, greedy) now I think it is possible we look so in comparison to you :)))
I just think about selling my business in Poland and moving to Russia to do business there :)
And theory about good nation leaded by bloody regime is true. Look as in 1917, now truhlei is living in virtual world created by some dictators like Putin. And with all symphaty to russians ;) we are not going to be submisive in relationships to Putin and his poor manipulated nation (they realy think they are deffnding their country by killing EU citizens or blackmailing)
Lukasz
21 Sep 2007
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]
For this moment it is all we can do for you ...
Warszawa before the war
Warszawa after the war.
Warszawa now
We are realy good, we have something in our DNA, what make us champions of the construction ...
Yes we need donations, thats true ... as to Russia lower gas price would be perfect.
Thank you my friend, but it will be better to keep it secret. All we need is time.
For this moment it is all we can do for you ...
That is a crime against Poland to keep silence about such attempts of the best possible cottage for 17000 USD.
Warszawa before the war
Warszawa after the war.
Warszawa now
We are realy good, we have something in our DNA, what make us champions of the construction ...
Yes we need donations, thats true ... as to Russia lower gas price would be perfect.
If Poles can invent technology of low-cost cottages construction, I don't think they have any problems not only in Russia but in the whole world. Gasprom is nothing in comparison with the owner of this know-how.
Thank you my friend, but it will be better to keep it secret. All we need is time.
Lukasz
21 Sep 2007
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]
low-cost cottages ...
Ok I think that our experts (we have the best building specialists) are working very hard on it, all over the world, in all varieties of possible conditions. they work in Poland in UK in US in Canada in Island in Italy in Norway in Spain in Germany. And some of them just come to Poland and build their own houses . So In Poland we have all possible technologies, and we work very hard to find "final solution" for cottages. You know Turkes are the best specialists in making kebab (I would order them some researches in this case, "give the world perfect kebeb")
We are simply the best in construction industry ;)))
So we can make the deal, we promise you that when we will find perfect cottage, we will give you this technology for free. And the other part of the deal is that you will wait in pace, living calmly like Portugal or Norway.
As to the cars we have a lot of cars for 2000 USD they are not new but quite good. We can sell some for about 2200 USD. (good EU cars) ;)
It wasnt to offend anybody , but shows my point of view...
low-cost cottages ...
Ok I think that our experts (we have the best building specialists) are working very hard on it, all over the world, in all varieties of possible conditions. they work in Poland in UK in US in Canada in Island in Italy in Norway in Spain in Germany. And some of them just come to Poland and build their own houses . So In Poland we have all possible technologies, and we work very hard to find "final solution" for cottages. You know Turkes are the best specialists in making kebab (I would order them some researches in this case, "give the world perfect kebeb")
We are simply the best in construction industry ;)))
So we can make the deal, we promise you that when we will find perfect cottage, we will give you this technology for free. And the other part of the deal is that you will wait in pace, living calmly like Portugal or Norway.
As to the cars we have a lot of cars for 2000 USD they are not new but quite good. We can sell some for about 2200 USD. (good EU cars) ;)
It wasnt to offend anybody , but shows my point of view...
Lukasz
21 Sep 2007
News / Roman Giertych.... a right-wing politician from Poland [90]
It is romans official familly.
and this is his "good friend"
and our boys on the party (have you noticed any female? )
Unfortunately i couldnt find Romeks "in action" photos
But maybe you will find something intereting watching this movie ;)
It is romans official familly.
and this is his "good friend"
and our boys on the party (have you noticed any female? )
Unfortunately i couldnt find Romeks "in action" photos
But maybe you will find something intereting watching this movie ;)
Lukasz
21 Sep 2007
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]
When I read what do you think about kiling EU citizens, blackmailing ....
I start sharing opinion :
"Russia today is Germany of the 20s and 30s. Beaten, but still not learned its lesson."
When I read what do you think about kiling EU citizens, blackmailing ....
I start sharing opinion :
"Russia today is Germany of the 20s and 30s. Beaten, but still not learned its lesson."
Lukasz
21 Sep 2007
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]
I understand that in your opinion If EU is not going to give you cheap cottages and cars, you are not going to stop : blackmailing, making embargo, kiling EU citizens, sending bombers ? :)
I undrestand that poor students in your country can go and study in EU when ever they want, you can travel everywhere wthout any barrers, democracy is nothing new for you, your schools are full of foregin students, human rights are the most important issue for your government ...
So if it so good, ok live your own life and just dont disturb other countries, trade like civilizated world, let us forget about you ...
I understand that in your opinion If EU is not going to give you cheap cottages and cars, you are not going to stop : blackmailing, making embargo, kiling EU citizens, sending bombers ? :)
I undrestand that poor students in your country can go and study in EU when ever they want, you can travel everywhere wthout any barrers, democracy is nothing new for you, your schools are full of foregin students, human rights are the most important issue for your government ...
So if it so good, ok live your own life and just dont disturb other countries, trade like civilizated world, let us forget about you ...
Lukasz
21 Sep 2007
News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]
It isnt fear. It is our interest to support other country in the way to EU leadership.
And thats one of the reasons ...
Ok some new stats ...
According to OECD focusses
In Poland 45% of people ending education are with higher education.
In Germany it is about 20%,mostly humanists.
So watch you back Bratwurst boy.
Only weak nation may fear another nation. Here in Russia during about 500 years from the times of Iv. IV we recruited Germans to live and to work in Russia.
It isnt fear. It is our interest to support other country in the way to EU leadership.
Not All, you can take into account russian assistance!
And thats one of the reasons ...
Ok some new stats ...
According to OECD focusses
In Poland 45% of people ending education are with higher education.
In Germany it is about 20%,mostly humanists.
So watch you back Bratwurst boy.
Lukasz
21 Sep 2007
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]
All I think is that EU is better place for students exchange than Iran or Kazachstan.
Syria, Israel, Latin America, Asia etc. And within Russia that isn't always uninteresting.
You think that this nations are less civilized then Poles or other European nations?
All I think is that EU is better place for students exchange than Iran or Kazachstan.
Lukasz
21 Sep 2007
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]
You dont see Poland as a not good enought parner so our borhters will look like that (just becase or European partners think it is the best solution), and if you are not going to treate us as fair we will not help you as we are trying to help for Ukrainians ... You dont care about that ... thats ok, it is your choice. You can travel to Iran, Kazachstan, Mongolia or Kirgistan ...
USA-Mexic borther
newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40148000/jpg/_40148792_203b_border_bbc. jpg
Israel borther
Truhlei
I was asking about real solutions, like "Russians sell gas using free market rules, they get some trade concessions" or "Russia is more democratic, Russians can travel more freely thorought EU" I think that small deals are much better than another big projects like "Cottages for Russia" (by the way I dont see the reason you think the EU owes you something)
And I will repeat, nowadays Russia is regime, Europe has noticed what kind of policy it runs. For example today news ... Russian strategic bombers have broken NATO air space (somewhere near Norway) ...
You dont see Poland as a not good enought parner so our borhters will look like that (just becase or European partners think it is the best solution), and if you are not going to treate us as fair we will not help you as we are trying to help for Ukrainians ... You dont care about that ... thats ok, it is your choice. You can travel to Iran, Kazachstan, Mongolia or Kirgistan ...
USA-Mexic borther
newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40148000/jpg/_40148792_203b_border_bbc. jpg
Israel borther
Truhlei
I was asking about real solutions, like "Russians sell gas using free market rules, they get some trade concessions" or "Russia is more democratic, Russians can travel more freely thorought EU" I think that small deals are much better than another big projects like "Cottages for Russia" (by the way I dont see the reason you think the EU owes you something)
And I will repeat, nowadays Russia is regime, Europe has noticed what kind of policy it runs. For example today news ... Russian strategic bombers have broken NATO air space (somewhere near Norway) ...
Lukasz
20 Sep 2007
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]
Ok.
I think that EU is doing good researches right now, as a hydrogen cars, solar power plants, alternative energy...
I think that succesful end of this projects will save a lot of human beings ...
Ok.
I think that EU is doing good researches right now, as a hydrogen cars, solar power plants, alternative energy...
I think that succesful end of this projects will save a lot of human beings ...
Lukasz
20 Sep 2007
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]
Ok you want me to be serious. Putin closing gas pipe for poor Ukrainians in the middle of the winter when the teperature is about -30 C, just because it is good time to negociate the price.
I dont know If he wants to bulit cottages in Africa ...
Ok you want me to be serious. Putin closing gas pipe for poor Ukrainians in the middle of the winter when the teperature is about -30 C, just because it is good time to negociate the price.
I dont know If he wants to bulit cottages in Africa ...
Lukasz
20 Sep 2007
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]
I see our discussion have became more relaxed so I will tell the world why our neighbours were always invading Poland
And Bob Marley singing : "No woman no cry ... " doesnt sound good after 3 shots of vodka ... so we had to fight ;)
I see our discussion have became more relaxed so I will tell the world why our neighbours were always invading Poland
And Bob Marley singing : "No woman no cry ... " doesnt sound good after 3 shots of vodka ... so we had to fight ;)
Poland Team
Lukasz
20 Sep 2007
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]
:))) what an atmosphere, what a people, pace nad love...
But to be serious, Russians had made similar project in the past, but it wasnt succesful. Do you remember 1917 :))) and its finish in 1989 ...
truhlei what is more they killed all idealists just at the begining, so be careful :)
Oh my god I was trying to be serious but it was just imposible.
:))) what an atmosphere, what a people, pace nad love...
But to be serious, Russians had made similar project in the past, but it wasnt succesful. Do you remember 1917 :))) and its finish in 1989 ...
truhlei what is more they killed all idealists just at the begining, so be careful :)
Oh my god I was trying to be serious but it was just imposible.
Lukasz
20 Sep 2007
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]
Yes I m sure ... (there is something for you crow as well)
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/7002511.stm
Are you really sure?
Yes I m sure ... (there is something for you crow as well)
The European Commission has expressed concern about Russian plans to acquire gas pipelines and other strategic assets, but the Russians have already been buying up energy and other firms, particularly in countries which used to be part of the Soviet Union.
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/7002511.stm
Lukasz
20 Sep 2007
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]
so what do you want from EU ? only money for your gas ? I m not Russian I dont know what do you want.
so what do you want from EU ? only money for your gas ? I m not Russian I dont know what do you want.
Lukasz
20 Sep 2007
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]
'90s were after '80. It is quite important think you should notice. You were to weak to protest we join NATO. God bless your weaknes in '90s.
We can discuss about everything, but we all know what kind of game Putin is playng right now ...
'90s were after '80. It is quite important think you should notice. You were to weak to protest we join NATO. God bless your weaknes in '90s.
We can discuss about everything, but we all know what kind of game Putin is playng right now ...
Lukasz
20 Sep 2007
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]
Figures, no body gave us any figures. It is just natural choice to do business with developed countries. But I m sure that we have chosen good way. Some things we could do better, but all in all our situation isnt bad.
You should put on the table what you can give and what do you want to take ...
I feel that our discussion doesn't stick to reality. because the reality looks like that:
bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell
Figures, no body gave us any figures. It is just natural choice to do business with developed countries. But I m sure that we have chosen good way. Some things we could do better, but all in all our situation isnt bad.
You should put on the table what you can give and what do you want to take ...
I feel that our discussion doesn't stick to reality. because the reality looks like that:
bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell
Lukasz
20 Sep 2007
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]
Truhley
I m not going to beg you to become EU partner ... honestly it is in your business. Look how do (more or less) isolated countries develope ... and how do it countries with free market. We have some expierience, we have given our 38 mln market to explor by western comapnies, they opened their market for us. Import and Export increased about 23% (in 2006) so it was good deal for both sides.
Honestly your Economy in isolation or with the partners like Mongolia or Turkmenistan ... will lost in long term. You have your gas and petrol but every year there are more and more technologies which will make it just another coal. For example there are cars on hydrogen
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_vehicle
Now it is more expensive than your gas but in close future ...
So your advantage coming from natural resources is important now, you can get some concessions now ... because latter they will talk to you like in '90s. It is quite risky game to bulit your economy only on natural resources ...
So it is in your business to have good relationship with whole EU, when you have some arguments. Later again nobody will belive you ... (like in '90). For Poland it is quite important to have normal situation on our eastern borther, and thats all, it is our business. Do you think making threads to some EU members, killing others citizens, embargo to others is a good way for Russia.
Truhley
I m not going to beg you to become EU partner ... honestly it is in your business. Look how do (more or less) isolated countries develope ... and how do it countries with free market. We have some expierience, we have given our 38 mln market to explor by western comapnies, they opened their market for us. Import and Export increased about 23% (in 2006) so it was good deal for both sides.
Honestly your Economy in isolation or with the partners like Mongolia or Turkmenistan ... will lost in long term. You have your gas and petrol but every year there are more and more technologies which will make it just another coal. For example there are cars on hydrogen
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_vehicle
Now it is more expensive than your gas but in close future ...
So your advantage coming from natural resources is important now, you can get some concessions now ... because latter they will talk to you like in '90s. It is quite risky game to bulit your economy only on natural resources ...
So it is in your business to have good relationship with whole EU, when you have some arguments. Later again nobody will belive you ... (like in '90). For Poland it is quite important to have normal situation on our eastern borther, and thats all, it is our business. Do you think making threads to some EU members, killing others citizens, embargo to others is a good way for Russia.
Lukasz
20 Sep 2007
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]
There are several profits of being EU partner, it is enougt Russia starts playing using western standarts.
You need exampels,
trade barers, you could get some concessions for your products ... quite important thing.
Traveling/students exchange. Just right now our citizens takes oportunity to travel throught the Europe, a lot of young people are going for student exchanges to EU countries. They see solutions in other countries and try to adopt it in our country.
They get some interesting international contacts, what is very important.
There would be more tourists in your country, more investments, more developmnet.
Hi-tech investments, you need reputation in this case.
You have gas and petrol, and you use it in such a old-fashion style (thereads, blackmails) your spy killing UK citizens ... it is wrong way.
When your reputation increase you can get a lot of concessions ... which would satisfy your citizens, stronger your economy. You could get some know-how ...
It is just better to be open, and in my opinion West is the best choice for Russia, but to get status of special partnership it is important to met some criteria. Those criteria are good thing for Russia citizens as well : human rights, more domocracy, free market ...
There is a question if Putin wants it, In my opinion he has other vison of your country ...
As I have mentioned it previosly, you have to be partner of whole EU, not just some countries ...
it was just to prove, that even we quarel in some cases in other we are able to cooperate ...
There are several profits of being EU partner, it is enougt Russia starts playing using western standarts.
You need exampels,
trade barers, you could get some concessions for your products ... quite important thing.
Traveling/students exchange. Just right now our citizens takes oportunity to travel throught the Europe, a lot of young people are going for student exchanges to EU countries. They see solutions in other countries and try to adopt it in our country.
They get some interesting international contacts, what is very important.
There would be more tourists in your country, more investments, more developmnet.
Hi-tech investments, you need reputation in this case.
You have gas and petrol, and you use it in such a old-fashion style (thereads, blackmails) your spy killing UK citizens ... it is wrong way.
When your reputation increase you can get a lot of concessions ... which would satisfy your citizens, stronger your economy. You could get some know-how ...
It is just better to be open, and in my opinion West is the best choice for Russia, but to get status of special partnership it is important to met some criteria. Those criteria are good thing for Russia citizens as well : human rights, more domocracy, free market ...
There is a question if Putin wants it, In my opinion he has other vison of your country ...
Only special relations are possible. Russia will keep loyal to EU and open more spheres for western polititians ans businessmen. If EU invents profitable proposals. Nobody is going to respect EU by the only reason of its existence.Russia had good and pragmatic teachers in the West.
As I have mentioned it previosly, you have to be partner of whole EU, not just some countries ...
Do you really think such prospect can frighten Russians?
it was just to prove, that even we quarel in some cases in other we are able to cooperate ...
Lukasz
20 Sep 2007
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]
I would discuss ...
Ehhh Russians and Germans nothing new ... but even Germans last time pretends to not beeing seen as your man in EU ...
Russia in EU is just not posible !!! Poland made grate work in '90 to meet criteria of EU, if you want to be partner (all you can achiev) you should play using western rules. What do you think, you will kill Litwinenko, make embargo on Poland, other economical sanctions for some EU contries, and ther will be no reaction ... I m sure Russia has chosen way on which all in all will lost ... Maybe it is quite hard to notice on this forum (Brat Wurst isnt representative for germany), but there are more and more signs that EU will hold (more or less) but one line in relationships with you. EU now stoped some of your investements just because you have chosen your own way ... Russia GDP is about Holand and Belgium GDP so Russia isnt so strong as pretends to be. Dont be surprised when Polish general will become head of NATO commiete with German support ...
In my opinion your isolation (you will see it in nearest future) is your own choice. And you will lost on this move more than you think ...
The man in the street think a pure Europe begins away from Poland. Poland is only Kresy of EU. A poor relative of western Europeans.
I would discuss ...
Germany is the symbol of western civilization for today Russians.
Ehhh Russians and Germans nothing new ... but even Germans last time pretends to not beeing seen as your man in EU ...
Russians (note: of different political views) are going to persuade the West that its special attention to these states accompanied by isolation of Russia in 90 lead to Russian inverability.
Russia in EU is just not posible !!! Poland made grate work in '90 to meet criteria of EU, if you want to be partner (all you can achiev) you should play using western rules. What do you think, you will kill Litwinenko, make embargo on Poland, other economical sanctions for some EU contries, and ther will be no reaction ... I m sure Russia has chosen way on which all in all will lost ... Maybe it is quite hard to notice on this forum (Brat Wurst isnt representative for germany), but there are more and more signs that EU will hold (more or less) but one line in relationships with you. EU now stoped some of your investements just because you have chosen your own way ... Russia GDP is about Holand and Belgium GDP so Russia isnt so strong as pretends to be. Dont be surprised when Polish general will become head of NATO commiete with German support ...
In my opinion your isolation (you will see it in nearest future) is your own choice. And you will lost on this move more than you think ...
Lukasz
19 Sep 2007
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]
I think that deals like everything or nothing, or relationships like Love or Hate. Are so typical for our region
... ehhh but I see Russians have chosen (or rather Putin) option: "if they dont want us we dont need them..."
Your country reputation is very weak, Europe decided to stop your expansion in EU (Gazprom investemnts). You start to make threads for some EU countires (for example Poland) and it is wrong way ... We all know the western countries are not going to invade Russia, you have to sell gas/petrol for Europe. We have noticed you are quite worried about China, you try to show you with them as an ally. But we all know about you are more woried about China than europe or USA ...
You need west, you feel part of European civilization, so maybe it would be much easier to play using western rules.
But there is the other option, you just want to get some influence on countries which belonged to your emipre in the past. Your regime fits you by stories like this
We know your point of view ... but this nice story just shows what Putin wants you to belive, to prove you need his regime. What is more he provokes other countries, and when they react he is showing him self as good boy form this story. And you think you need him. But all Europeans just knows the reality looks different. All you need is democracy, and Russia is going in other direction. I think the confrontation with some countries in EU is just the part of Putins show for your society. So thats why for example he is not going to solve problem of Kaliningrad, because unsolved issue of visas for Kaliningrad citizens makes his regime more popular.
I think that deals like everything or nothing, or relationships like Love or Hate. Are so typical for our region
... ehhh but I see Russians have chosen (or rather Putin) option: "if they dont want us we dont need them..."
Your country reputation is very weak, Europe decided to stop your expansion in EU (Gazprom investemnts). You start to make threads for some EU countires (for example Poland) and it is wrong way ... We all know the western countries are not going to invade Russia, you have to sell gas/petrol for Europe. We have noticed you are quite worried about China, you try to show you with them as an ally. But we all know about you are more woried about China than europe or USA ...
You need west, you feel part of European civilization, so maybe it would be much easier to play using western rules.
But there is the other option, you just want to get some influence on countries which belonged to your emipre in the past. Your regime fits you by stories like this
We know your point of view ... but this nice story just shows what Putin wants you to belive, to prove you need his regime. What is more he provokes other countries, and when they react he is showing him self as good boy form this story. And you think you need him. But all Europeans just knows the reality looks different. All you need is democracy, and Russia is going in other direction. I think the confrontation with some countries in EU is just the part of Putins show for your society. So thats why for example he is not going to solve problem of Kaliningrad, because unsolved issue of visas for Kaliningrad citizens makes his regime more popular.
Lukasz
19 Sep 2007
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]
It is not Polish idea to close bothers on east ...
But for expample in case of Kaliningrad, you can do good deal. We change government (in my opinion kaczynski woluld take this deal too), we open the borthers for Kaliningrad citizens (thats all we can do), you show it in TV, our relationships become better, and you can stop embargo without thread your society will consider your goverment move as capitulation ...
It is not Polish idea to close bothers on east ...
But for expample in case of Kaliningrad, you can do good deal. We change government (in my opinion kaczynski woluld take this deal too), we open the borthers for Kaliningrad citizens (thats all we can do), you show it in TV, our relationships become better, and you can stop embargo without thread your society will consider your goverment move as capitulation ...
Lukasz
19 Sep 2007
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]
Yes but we just right now join schengen, to this moment Ukrainians had visas to our country for free, now old Europe wants to close borthers but we have already negociated something ... It is very important to knock the right door in right time ... We dont see any difference betwen Ukrainians living 50 km form our borther and Russians living 50 km form our borther ... Later you will have to negotiate special agrement with EU, and you will pay much more for it. But it is your choice ...
Yes but we just right now join schengen, to this moment Ukrainians had visas to our country for free, now old Europe wants to close borthers but we have already negociated something ... It is very important to knock the right door in right time ... We dont see any difference betwen Ukrainians living 50 km form our borther and Russians living 50 km form our borther ... Later you will have to negotiate special agrement with EU, and you will pay much more for it. But it is your choice ...
Lukasz
19 Sep 2007
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]
So you should put this proposal on the table. I m sure Poland would support you in this case. All in all open borhers are better for both sides, trade turists ... our region near Kaliningrad is poor, so it should made chances for both sides, and we understand it. We just right now support Ukrainians and Bielarusians in fight for cheaper visas to EU (we join schengen and other Europeans wants them to pay for it) or even for western parts of those countries there will be no visas... honestly in this case we can make good deal.
I think that Poland support is quite inportant in this case, we have arleady negotiated cheaper visas for Ukrainians, and there will be no visas for Ukrainians and Belarusians who live 50 km from borther (we want to give them more but we still negotiate), so in this issue Poland can give you smoething, (kaininigrad is closer than 50 km from our borther) so citizens of this town could travel throught EU without visas ...
You should react now, because we negociate only to 1st December, at the begining of 2008 there will be no borhers with our EU neigbours, so negotiations have to be closed to this time ...
So you should put this proposal on the table. I m sure Poland would support you in this case. All in all open borhers are better for both sides, trade turists ... our region near Kaliningrad is poor, so it should made chances for both sides, and we understand it. We just right now support Ukrainians and Bielarusians in fight for cheaper visas to EU (we join schengen and other Europeans wants them to pay for it) or even for western parts of those countries there will be no visas... honestly in this case we can make good deal.
I think that Poland support is quite inportant in this case, we have arleady negotiated cheaper visas for Ukrainians, and there will be no visas for Ukrainians and Belarusians who live 50 km from borther (we want to give them more but we still negotiate), so in this issue Poland can give you smoething, (kaininigrad is closer than 50 km from our borther) so citizens of this town could travel throught EU without visas ...
You should react now, because we negociate only to 1st December, at the begining of 2008 there will be no borhers with our EU neigbours, so negotiations have to be closed to this time ...
Lukasz
19 Sep 2007
History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]
truhlei
So maybe your government should start thinking about business. I think we should find some solutions which would satisfy two sides, for example you stop using trade embargo sa a tool to ingerate inside the EU, and we just give you do business in better atmosphere... It would be quite good for both sides.
I m sure that we can do it in calm way without fireworks ... But there is question if Russia want do do it ...
truhlei
So maybe your government should start thinking about business. I think we should find some solutions which would satisfy two sides, for example you stop using trade embargo sa a tool to ingerate inside the EU, and we just give you do business in better atmosphere... It would be quite good for both sides.
I m sure that we can do it in calm way without fireworks ... But there is question if Russia want do do it ...
Lukasz
18 Sep 2007
Genealogy / Simborowski - Polish? [6]
I think yes but to be honest I think it comes form Samborowski, and "a" has been changed into "i" because of English pronaunsietion.
I think yes but to be honest I think it comes form Samborowski, and "a" has been changed into "i" because of English pronaunsietion.
Lukasz
18 Sep 2007
Lukasz
18 Sep 2007
Life / Whats gay life in Poland? [140]
I think that gay life in my country is hard ... in big towns they have their clubs, society ...
but in small towns I think it looks like that (it isnt photo of real gay, I just think it is the life of gay in small village)
I think that gay life in my country is hard ... in big towns they have their clubs, society ...
but in small towns I think it looks like that (it isnt photo of real gay, I just think it is the life of gay in small village)