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Bratwurst Boy   
12 Apr 2009
History / Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler? [219]

Succesfuly Poland got back what Germans had stolen before ...

Well..it changed hands more often then you or I have fingers on the hand...and now that the borders are open!

are you Jewish Salomon? Just a question.

With this name??? I would think so....
Bratwurst Boy   
12 Apr 2009
History / Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler? [219]

summations, summaries, and general information.

Well...that's more than Marcin-the idiot-K has...I rest my case!

Oh...and nobody stops you from learning more...you can find alot of source material at the bottom of most wiki articles when you want to study further...

To be very honest with all of you, without Dmowski and his delegation at Versaille, things would've turned out very differently for Poland, and I don't mean for the better,

Now that is a smart thing to say!

Oh and please please try to stop your brethren from continually whining about WWII...such a happy follow up of this Treaty..!
(I can show you the wiki page)

He only appears antisemitic because he loved his country.

Yeah...the same with Hitler...

one of the few great Poles of the 20th century

Another "great" Pole the world never heard of...that's another reason I need wiki. Not much material out there about this guy...
Bratwurst Boy   
12 Apr 2009
History / Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler? [219]

Life of politicians, even from the cream of the cream category is never black and white.

*bows to Borrka, the wise one!*
Bratwurst Boy   
12 Apr 2009
History / Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler? [219]

More ... Kulturkampf was (and still is) considered as "anti-Bavarian" as well.

Well, Bavaria was (and still is) a catholic stronghold but never would for example call Bismarck an anti-Bavarian..

I mean...come on...he fighted for something what is now today most common in all modern, western states, the detachment from state and church!
Bratwurst Boy   
12 Apr 2009
History / Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler? [219]

Not even the catholic church herself makes the connection between the Kulturkampf and Posen/Germanization:

newadvent.org/cathen/08703b.htm

Not one word about Poles or Posen

Causes of the Kulturkampf

They are to be sought: (1) in the political party-life of Germany; (2) in the trend of ideas among the German people towards the middle of the nineteenth century; (3) in the general European policy of Bismarck after 1870.

However, the real instigators of the onslaught on German Catholicism were the German Liberals.
Their attitude is thus explained: previous to 1860 the Liberal party had long been composed almost entirely of men belonging to narrow professional circles-professors, lawyers, etc., also prominent business men.
They united in opposition to political absolutism, and were eager for a larger constitutional life in Germany. But they had also an intellectual bond. Whether as anti-clerical disciples of French Deism or Austrian Josephinism, or as enthusiastic admirers of German poetry and philosophy (and therefore advocates of an undogmatic and unecclesiastical Christianity), they were all inimically disposed towards the Catholic Church and all positive belief.
With the help of legislation and state schools they hoped to secure for "free and indepedent science" (die freie Wissenschaft) an absolute control over the intellectual life of the whole German nation.

...so much more but "Bismarcks anti-catholic phobia"!

(I might call myself soon "Bismarcks boy")

PS: Going after what other sources write this wiki article with his concentration on
"Kulturkampf = german anti-polish policy" is crap!
Bratwurst Boy   
12 Apr 2009
History / Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler? [219]

From your link:

The German term De-Kulturkampf.ogg Kulturkampf (help·info) (literally, "culture struggle") refers to German policies in relation to secularity and the influence of the Roman Catholic Church, enacted from 1871 to 1878 by the Chancellor of the German Empire, Otto von Bismarck.

Hmm...looks to me as if he was trying to break the catholic stranglehold and to modernize the country and the educational system...I can't blame him for that!

Every secular country is like that now...surely no phobia!

Okay...reading a bit further it seems that the catholic Poles seemed to see that as another attack on their "polishness" even as it was not meant against them but rather against the church cleric and his power structures in all of Prussia. So they viewed this as "Germanization".

Hmmmm...not very secular minded today either....
Bratwurst Boy   
12 Apr 2009
History / Roman Dmowski- Polish Adolf Hitler? [219]

Just replace Dmowski's anti-Semitism with Bismarck's anti-Catholic phobias and give him (Dmowski) more real political power.

"Bismarcks anti-Catholic phobias"???

Some background:

Bismarck:

In 1871 the Catholic division of the Prussian Ministry of Culture was abolished. A leading anti-clerical, Adalbert Falk was appointed as minister and in 1872 the Jesuits were expelled from Germany.

The following year, the "May Laws" were introduced by Falk in Prussia.

* The state was given control over education.
* They extended State control over the education of the clergy. They laid down required subjects for ordination.
* It decreed that candidates for the priesthood had to attend a German University for three years before entering a seminary.
*Civil Marriage was introduced.
* The power of the Papacy in Germany was undermined when disciplinary authority over the Church was given to state agencies e.g. civil appointment of Bishops.

How horrible, isn't it?
But miraculously nearly every modern, secular state follows such laws nowadays but of course the german catholics were dead set against it at that time.

Bad, bad Bismarck!

The reaction of the Catholic Church

In 1874 when the Church refused to accept the validity of these laws the government responded with even more severe restrictions on the power of the Church. A law in May gave the Prussian government the power to expel all clerics who did not meet the requirements set in 1873. It authorised the state to fill vacancies.

But later it still came to a compromise:

In 1878 the death of Pope Pius IX and the election of the conciliatory Leo XIII opened the way for compromise. Leo wrote to the Kaiser expressing his hope for friendly relations with Germany. Bismarck also began to tire of his National Liberal allies and viewed the Zentrum as possible future allies.

What a phobia!

historyhome.co.uk/europe/bisdom.htm

(I really wonder what they teach about Bismarck in polish schools...anything at all? Does he have horns in your schoolbooks? Or a red tail???)
Bratwurst Boy   
12 Apr 2009
News / Poland-Turkey Relations, a youtube comment [84]

And we must forgive (not forget!) if we want to get on well on a daily
basis and build common future in the EU.

Who is forcing you?
You don't have to if you don't want...you can mope alone in your corner for all I care!

Most people don't want Turkey not because of something they did far back but because what they are TODAY.
Ask the kurds, the murdered writers and opposition, the murdered and opressed christians etc.
That is far more important than some spat some centuries back but you don't seem to show much interest for that either.
You nearly threw a fit accusing me of denying WWII atrocities but you believe Turks who are still denying (and killing for that) the genocide of the Armenians as nice, cuddly and honorable??? Gimme a break!
Bratwurst Boy   
12 Apr 2009
News / Poland-Turkey Relations, a youtube comment [84]

Why should I deny anything?
It just get's boring, especially if you harp on about this and at the same
time want your collegues to forget the experiences your brethren had with the Turks.
You know..."can't we all be buddies now...it has been so long..."
Sounds abit unbelievable!

If they choose Poland, then very well, let them
come.

Oh they will!

Their immigrants at least...not Turkey as as member!
Bratwurst Boy   
12 Apr 2009
News / Poland-Turkey Relations, a youtube comment [84]

the most barbaric,
inhuman and animal

yaddayaddayadda

So, if we want to forgive our neighbours, get on with them on a daily basis and
maybe even become friends in the future, then I see no reason at all why we
should be prejudiced against Turkey.

Cut the crap!
You don't even want their immigrants...
Bratwurst Boy   
12 Apr 2009
News / Poland-Turkey Relations, a youtube comment [84]

What "wild", "islamic" Turkey has done to us is NOTHING compared to
the "heroic deeds" of our "civilized" and "christian" neighbours.

Are you a Turk "Torq" ?
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Apr 2009
News / Poland-Turkey Relations, a youtube comment [84]

Yeah, the chinese like us too..they still think our Nazi John Rabe is their biggest hero ever.
It's easy to be friends from afar if you don't have a border for over a millennia.
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Apr 2009
News / Poland. Sold for nothing. [341]

Forgive, yes; forget, no.

Who is asking you to???

That's one of the reasons why BB's opas couldn't "march on the hostile territory" for too long. :)

But still doesn't make for a "deeply intertwined history" but rather a "pain in the ass"...:)
(Not much change to today...)

Yes, they are Ossis; all of them.

Yup!
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Apr 2009
News / Poland. Sold for nothing. [341]

Actually that's the impression I get from this board too...but then...what do I know...:(
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Apr 2009
History / Stolen hero of the forgotten war. [52]

Their regime is based on a group of individuals who are financed by exported natural resources, this leads to virtually non-existent free administration, everything is a straight up-down ladder with no elasticity, a system like that cannot survive any sort of a major upheavel (remember what happened to Tsarist Russia?)

But they are Russians...and they are widely popular you said.
How can such a country full with such nice, popular people so bad??? I'm puzzled....:)

Putin has very high approval rates with the Russians or so I've heard....
Bratwurst Boy   
10 Apr 2009
News / Poland. Sold for nothing. [341]

Just for the record, Russians are very popular in Poland, never in any point of history were Russians hated or disliked as individuals, Germans have been seen either as weaklings and traitor and later in history as opressors and murderers but Russians who were in many respects just as bad as Germans never, go figure.

I for one know that this isn't true in the case of Russia/German history...
So I very much doubt your other generalizations as well and I think we can safely put that as "esoteric" too...

I come to think that you write stuff as you need that not as it is...now the Russians are widely popular as in a yesterdays post of your's they are the biggest threat to european civilization and have barely managed to speak like humans???

Get a grip man...

Germans have been seen either as weaklings and traitor

...traitor to what? Do you have a link for that? So...do you think only Slavs can understand/befriend each other??? You are not being Crowie in disguise, aren't you?

Germans have been seen either as weaklings and traitor and later in history as opressors and murderers

How come if they only won 1 or 2 wars against the 60 or 70 polish victories??? I'm puzzled once more...:)
Bratwurst Boy   
10 Apr 2009
News / Poland. Sold for nothing. [341]

So...you think western Germans hate Russians as the Poles do?

What do you mean with "historically aware"?
Bratwurst Boy   
10 Apr 2009
History / Stolen hero of the forgotten war. [52]

Sasha:
The only thing that freak me out is when people want to paint their countries as goody-goody monsterizing Russia in parallel.

Me too.

Really...
In another post you said:

Sokrates:
Russia is the single greatest threat to civilization and European order

Thank you, Sokrates, for ability to see that....

I think it's postings like that Sasha objects to...understandable..
Bratwurst Boy   
10 Apr 2009
News / Poland. Sold for nothing. [341]

Maybe, word "deeply" I used incorrectly,

Yes...that's what I think too but it made me curious if I had missed some part about the relationship between our countries.
That's why I asked for clarification...several times... (I'm in a patient mood today)...

So, stop looking for s***.

Have a beer...
Bratwurst Boy   
10 Apr 2009
News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]

But, perhaps German propagandists were right

Leave the Germans alone...german propagandists where a relative new and shortlived species!
Don't tell me the Slavs didn't know how to call themselves and why all the millennia before...

Not every wart on a slavic ass is a german one!

All I'm saying is that trying to draw any conclusions from dodgy etymology
("dodgy etymology" - it even rhymes LOL), to prove that certain races
are better or worse than others, like nazi propagandists did, is pure bullsh*t.

Using google and wikipedia is surely something a mechanic can do too, right?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_peoples#Origin_of_the_term_Slav
Bratwurst Boy   
10 Apr 2009
News / Poland. Sold for nothing. [341]

How long did you march? ;) "Special" hahah. You think of all as trying to suck up to the Germany. Haha. Cool.

Umm...it was YOU who spoke of "deeply intertwined history" between Ukraine and Germany...but for me the Wehrmacht on her way to Moskau (and back) isn't enough, sorry.

Maybe you have another example???

Jealous is when YOU DON'T HAVE what OTHERS POSSESS.

That's why I asked? :)

Being a part of EU is not what I see a key to Ukraine's success.

Well...

Well, ask your opas und omas.

About what?

I think it is a policy of the Germany , not Ukraine.

Well, Germany is not hot about these shields either...you don't make sense Natty...
Bratwurst Boy   
10 Apr 2009
News / Poland. Sold for nothing. [341]

"Special"? Hhahah. When the Germany was "special" to Ukraine? What are talking about? You want to say the the Germany wasn't in WW1 and WW2 which where part of my country's history as well. That's all I am saying. "Special" ?!! Hhahaha.

Well...it was you who meant:

But the only thing that I say about Germany is the pipe-line, not your history, which is deeply intertwined with Ukrainian in 20th century and I have some knowledge of as well.

...and I asked for clarification.
Maybe I had missed something but of course I hadn't!

And no...being the marching territory of foreign armies is not enough to earn a "special" place because of "deeply intertwined history"...nope...

If I take something from you and give it to somebody else, would you be jealous?

Of course I would be...

I hope my country is not in EU ever. I don't want Ukraine to be part of it at all. And NATO, what is it?

As compared to the successful Ukraine, right! :):):)

but keeping independance of economical decisions and normal economical relations is enough for Ukraine

You mean as in "broke"?

I believe my country has enough military force to defend itself,

Really! :):):)
You and what army?

It follows US policy and nothing else.

Well...it's the US who is your biggest ally and who wants you in...most Europeans won't.
You are blaming the wrong guy here (again)...
Bratwurst Boy   
10 Apr 2009
History / Stolen hero of the forgotten war. [52]

I guess Germans and Poles will never agree as far as Copernicus :-)

Yeah...there were even battles fought on PF about the poor guy...:):):)
Bratwurst Boy   
10 Apr 2009
History / Stolen hero of the forgotten war. [52]

It is like to say that Copernicus was Roman for writing in Latin.

Well, he wrote in German too...:)
Bratwurst Boy   
10 Apr 2009
News / Poland. Sold for nothing. [341]

Interesting Poll: polskieradio.pl/thenews/foreignaffairs/artykul105812_poles_and_germans___friendship_without_passion_.html

The numbers also show that Poles did not manage to convince Germans as yet to the extend of the role they played in combating communism.

Asked about the cause of the collapse of communism, Germans enumerate perestroika and political reforms of Mikhail Gorbachev (59 percent), insufficiency of the communist economy (35 percent), Reagan's policy (13 percent) and the Solidarity independence movement (13 percent).

Poles attribute the success of combating communism to Pope John Paul II (39 percent), political reforms of Mikhail Gorbachev (39 percent), insufficiency of the communist economy (34 percent) and the Solidarity independence movement (31 percent)

It seems Germans see some things just differently than Poles...

Rafal is 100% correct - you, BB, is a semi-communistic nostalgic guy, who misses Bratwurst and easy life of before 1989.

Whatever you say Natty....
But I can understand if youre miffed about Ossis...it's our Ossi chancellor after all who don't want either in the EU nor in the NATO you because she knows you mean only trouble!

Soviet Union treated East Germany like a new-born child sucking the resorces from other countries and you probably enjoyed it.

Jealous???

which is deeply intertwined with Ukrainian in 20th century and I have some knowledge of as well.

Tell me more about it...when was the Ukraine ever something "special" to Germany???
Bratwurst Boy   
10 Apr 2009
News / Poland. Sold for nothing. [341]

Nathan, you are wasting your time on Bratwurst Boy.
He is an Ossi (German from the former DDR). He wants to speak for the whole Germans nation (and ever for a 'real' Poles) - which is pathetic.
And I'll tell you something about an Ossis - they are not taking seriously even (or maybe rather especially) in the Germany...

It really seems that an Ossi once kicked his nuts so hard he seems to harbor a heavy grudge against them...poor sod! That must had hurt!

The fact is that Germany throught history always failed

Well...as compared to what?

and still fails to understand how Russian international policy works, its a policy of domination and be extention war untill all of Europe within Russias reach is subdued, that has not changed and Germany is well within Russias reach.

Maybe most Germans really see Russia differently as our both countries had between wars also longstanding peaceful relationships to the advantage of our both countries...we don't forget about that!

you believe that your geographical position affords you safety from any agressive advances

Yeah...living in such a mostly plain territory in the center of Europe with barely any natural border makes for such a nice cozy spot where not countless times countless armies from the countless neighbours marched over, right?

Poland was always there to clean up the mess,

Yeah...the polish/german history is such a nice, peaceful one too...

you've ended up with East Germany which is by far the mildest of unpleasantries that Russia can and will visit upon you if you treat her as a viable and responsible partner.

...as far as I remember we ended up in East Germany was because some nutters treated the Russians as "Untermenschen"...

Yes we need to be polite to Russia, we have to do business with Russia but Germany should stop making deals over Polish head and actually listen what we have to say because as far as eastern policies we have a complete and sound grasp of whats what and Germany is clueless and laying foundations for another catastrophe.

Well...so you would prefer an anti-russian Germany again?
I think we prefer talks and business...and you can do that better when you treat them as equals, as viable and responsible partners!

Germany is clueless and laying foundations for another catastrophe.

Because we are trying to be civil we are "laying the foundations for another catastrophe"?
How we do it we do it wrong, yes? "Untermenschen" is wrong, invasion is wrong, war is wrong (we fail all the time), being nice is wrong too...we are so useless!
Bratwurst Boy   
10 Apr 2009
News / Poland. Sold for nothing. [341]

When you don't know the language, you can't understand mentality of these people.

How is your german again? You seem to know all about us....