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Bratwurst Boy   
5 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]

Maybe, maybe not....hard to say now.
But these were legitimate german grievances and not going away, Hitler or not.
But this treaty brought Hitler to the top in the first place...without it he would just had stayed on the fringe of german politics where he belonged!
Bratwurst Boy   
4 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]

Was it worth it?

Thursday 31 August 1939

Headline: Germany has just announced a 16-point plan for a settlement with Poland - one of the proposals is to make Danzig part of the Reich.

Within the last hour a 16-point plan for a settlement between Germany and Poland has been broadcast over German radio. The radio broadcast also outlined the details of the diplomatic correspondence that has been taking place during the last week.

The German announcement has come as a complete surprise to everyone involved in the international negotiations of the last few days. All that the outside world has known until recently was that Britain and Germany have been exchanging notes. But now Germany has told the world her version of the events.

Apparently the reply Herr Hitler sent to the British Government two days ago contained a demand that Poland should send an envoy to Berlin within 24 hours to discuss a settlement between the two countries. The envoy never arrived, instead the German Government drew up it's own settlement, which Sir Neville Henderson, our Ambassador in Berlin, was told about very briefly yesterday evening.
This settlement consists of a series of demands made by Germany, namely: the immediate return of Danzig to the German Reich; a plebiscite, which will be held in a year's time to decide the future of the Polish corridor; though meanwhile the area should be evacuated by the Polish authorities, except for the port of Gdynia, which would remain Polish. Then, once agreement had been reached between the two countries, they would both demobilise their armies.

As far as we know, Poland has not yet received any official details of this plan from Germany. However, the German Government is now saying that, as no Polish envoy ever arrived in Berlin, Poland has therefore rejected these proposals.

As I said, they better had talked with the Germans...
Bratwurst Boy   
4 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]

How would you know...Hitler was interested in talks, till up to the last day!

bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwtwo/countdown_390831_thur_01.shtml
Bratwurst Boy   
4 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]

And we fighted against you and Soviets one of the future superpower at the same time, after only 20years of the independent Poland.

And here I thought they were your allies....:)

Well, whats wrong with border before the war? Could you elaborate?

Just one question...knowing what you now know....do you still think it was a good idea?
Remember, it's not only the polish dead...many millions more, a devastated continent....all for some petty revenge and border changing...was it worth it?

*takes hat*
Bratwurst Boy   
4 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]

But if you mean that Germans are so wise then look who lost...

We fighted against the biggest alliance the world has ever seen, it needed all of them and took them 6 years after Germany conquered nearly all of Europe.

There is "losing" and "losing" Ironside!

And WWI and WWII are actually one war with a break of exhaustion. There were several missed opportunities to stop that, the treaty of Versailles one of them.

I never said Germans were/are wise, but in these times not many people were...

And yes, I think Poles have often a bigger mouth than what is good for them...the Kaczinskies the latest example!
Bratwurst Boy   
4 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]

Well Poland fighting together with Soviets against the Germans would be on winers sides after WWII.

Erm...officially you WERE on the winners side! You were allies with Stalin...
Sorry, but I can't see any difference here and I don't think Stalin ever had the interests of Poles in mind.
He wanted Poland as a buffer and Germany as far back to the west as possible. No way that Poles could demand anything what didn't fit into Stalin's plans!
Bratwurst Boy   
4 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]

any links?

amazon.com/Orphans-Versailles-Germans-Western-1918-1939/dp/0813118034

In my opinion alliance with Soviets in 1939 would be much better for Poland than allinace with UK and France who couldn't help Poland on time.

Well...The Wehrmacht marched through Poland in a month and came till near Moscow two years later...
Poland would have been gobbled up by either one, so or so, being the marching ground of the Wehrmacht and the red Army! The polish mouth always bigger than anything else!
Bratwurst Boy   
4 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]

Thats no true they were protected by international treaty.

Puuuuleeeeeeze...read up about that!
If anybody would had given a **** about them they wouldn't had been brought into that situation in the first place!
(Also advisable to read up about the situation of the Sudeten Germans in newly carved out Czechoslovakia...nothing peachy here either)

What uprisings? In silesian uprising in the first place there majory od the local population kin on joning Poland - with a little help of the friends.

Heh...what's good for the goose....

As for a talks - what about ?

For cleaning up the situation between us? Border adjustments, resettlements both of us could live with? Anything would had been better than antagonizing and mocking an angry, armed to the teeth neighbour, wouldn't it...
Bratwurst Boy   
4 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]

The case with the Germans in Poland after Versailles wasn't "Hitler's plan".
His promise to "make things right again" was what made Germans vote for him in the first place...
Bratwurst Boy   
4 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]

Poland did anything to antagonize relationships and treated their "new" Germans they got because of the new borders badly.
No wonder those called for the Fatherland for help and were happy to be "invaded"!
Instead of financing and supporting "uprisings" Warsaw should have held talks with the Germans...who knows...whithout the promises of support by the french and the Brits they might have....

amazon.com/Orphans-Versailles-Germans-Western-1918-1939/dp/0813118034

The Germans didn't wake up one bright morning and decided to march into Poland just like that. Most Poles like to ignore the "little" dirty prequel to the mainstory when they cry about 6 Million dead...
Bratwurst Boy   
4 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]

Germany invaded Poland in 1939 and killed 6 milions of Polish citizens, Poland was 4th any -German force on all over the world, Poland had the strongest anty-German resistance underground in Europe. Wrocław is Polish in result of Potsdam conference, it is shame that German allies have stolen Lw

Well none of it was invitable very probably...there was alot of bad blood between Poles and Germans about the new borders and the hostile treatment of each others minorities.

Didn't you just mention proudly the silesian uprisings in another thread?
Manipulated and supported by Warsaw!

Don't talk as if the invasion came out of the blue sky!
Poland wasn't inclined to negotiate and talk these things through to find another solution but rather felt safe behind french and british promises.
You better had talked with the Germans!
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2009
History / Territories of eastern Germany should rightfully belong to Poland? [161]

Slavs don`t need to assimilate anybody in Germany when most of Germans are assimilated Slavs.

Well....even IF that were true, nowadays most Germans have a different opinion about that.
What are you going to do about them?

Why is that impossible to you to imagine that situation can change that dramatically, that Slavs stop to immigrate on so called West (particularly in Germany) and to instead of that German citizens start to immigrate into Poland, Russia, Serbia,...?

Well...when they do this you call it "Drang nach Osten" and don't like it...:(

Do you have an idea what 80 millions Germans would do to a Poland of barely 40?
Can you image who will assimilate whom???
Think Crowie, think!
Bratwurst Boy   
2 May 2009
History / Territories of eastern Germany should rightfully belong to Poland? [161]

In the same time i expect that collapse of Greater Germany occur peacefully in slow process

Erm....a peacefull collapse???

Hate on Slavs unites them, greed for vast Slavic resources and desire to assimilate our beautiful people.

Aha...and your answer is conquering western Europe and to assimilate the Germanics?
That makes you different to the "false westerners, the Turks, the islamic world" how exactly?
Bratwurst Boy   
2 May 2009
History / Territories of eastern Germany should rightfully belong to Poland? [161]

why haste with referendum? It won`t be necesery when German economy colapse

Umm....can you give me more precise ideas how you would proceed and why?
A more step after step approach?
(The last time as there was a german economic collapse people didn't go searching for their slavic ancestors...quite the contrary...)

*sits back with popcorn*

I mean...you can't even get serbian heartland (Kosovo) back! Wanting to grab whole of Germany sounds abit...well...funny! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
2 May 2009
History / Territories of eastern Germany should rightfully belong to Poland? [161]

Crow you think Poland should share borders with France?

Since the French are also secretly Slavs Serbia should gulp them too...as they are at it...

Maybe that is the only solution for peace of Europe

Erm....there IS peace in Europe Crowie! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
1 May 2009
History / Territories of eastern Germany should rightfully belong to Poland? [161]

No need to waste mindlessly Bundesmoney.
We all know - deep in your hearts you are Lusitians.

BB, be the first one who tell it loud to European public.

Why "Bundesmoney"???
Crowie should pay for the referendum...he want's something after all! :)

I concur, its scientifically proven that Germans originate in South America, Brazil still has large native populations of Germans.

*nods*
Especially southern Brazil is full of them...that's why they are so good at fotbol!
Bratwurst Boy   
1 May 2009
History / Territories of eastern Germany should rightfully belong to Poland? [161]

Crowie is right!

I'm all for an open referendum where all eastern Germans get to decide if they want to become polish or stay german...let's do it! :)

So Crowie, just in case the outcome is not that what you wish for, how would you proceed?
Bratwurst Boy   
22 Apr 2009
History / Where did the stereotype of Polish people being stupid come from? [131]

As the Russians are a very diverse people it is no surprise that you can find any kind of looks.
But during the war on the eastern front a huge part of the soviet troops was made of asiatic minorities...the german soldiers called them often generalizing just "Siberians" as far as I know.

These people made a good victim for the propaganda. psyfactor.org/lib/UM-05.htm
Bratwurst Boy   
22 Apr 2009
History / Where did the stereotype of Polish people being stupid come from? [131]

lemo/objekte/pict/d2b04856/index.jpg

I'm not sure...I googled this and and one site they tell about "Der Untermensch":

dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/d2b04856/index.html

Deutsche antisemitische-antisowjetische Hetzzeitschrift

Nothing anti-polish/anti-slavic generally!
These are soviet soldiers in the background I believe...
Bratwurst Boy   
22 Apr 2009
History / Where did the stereotype of Polish people being stupid come from? [131]

h t t p: / / w w w.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/d2b04856/index.jpg

That links is dead to me and you should take a look at war propaganda from all sides...not everything revolves around Poles especially!

And compared to the anti-jewish propaganda Poles got off lightly...very lightly!

I understand that polish historians are unreliable for you?

Erm...yes!
Bratwurst Boy   
22 Apr 2009
History / Where did the stereotype of Polish people being stupid come from? [131]

Not me, Brattie, YOUR source, lol. Those were the words of Davies, my sock puppet friend.

It's YOUR opinion!

And you calling me "sock puppet"...may I count that as deep seated, inherited hate of all things German??? You racist you!

Polish people are not stupid in fact we're among the best educated in Europe,

But maybe not during the times at prejudices and stereotypes developed?
Bratwurst Boy   
21 Apr 2009
History / Where did the stereotype of Polish people being stupid come from? [131]

(American Polish jokes) is a world apart from the earlier folklore of Eastern and Central Europe,.."

Ah ja, let me see if I get you right...also when an American tells a polish joke it's just playful fun but when a German tells a polish joke it's a sign of anti-slavic/anti-polish racism, right?

Buuuuuuuuut...what if an American with german heritage tells a polish joke in the US???
Ha!

Now it get's complicated...

I tell you what Calicoe, you and some of your country men just have a complex concerning Germans...but that's your problem, not the one of the Germans!