PolishForums LIVE  /  Archives [3]    
 
Posts by celinski  

Joined: 14 Nov 2007 / Female ♀ 		Last Post: 5 Jul 2012
Threads: Total: 31 / In This Archive: 29
Posts: Total: 1258 / In This Archive: 1017 		From: USA, Connecticut
Speaks Polish?: no
Interests: family history

Displayed posts: 1046 / page 4 of 35
sort: Latest first   Oldest first   |
celinski   
26 Jan 2009
History / Polish Anti-semitism - origins? [186]

Shall we change the topic to Jewish Anti-Polishism- origins? People are people and do not always get along. If we look hard enough we can find "Anti" in any race, sex or religion.
celinski   
15 Jan 2009
History / Poland Betrayed in WW2 [243]

only deals with the basics.

I must admit in the USA we were given altered history. One wanting to learn was at a disadvantage. Today the schools still are behind. It is mandatory to teach the "Holocaust" in USA yet religion is not to be taught.

If you go to the files of FDR you can read the cover up and knowledge of "Katyn" as well as other documents. March of 1939 Soviets wrote of the split of Poland and their intrest in Baltic states, wanting 1914 borders back in place.

Churchill--> FDR 8/13/43
... , rebellions and repressions, the Russo-Polish war of 1919-20, the
mutual suspicions which this left behind it, the unannounced invasion
of Poland by Russia in September 1939, the subsequent occupation of
half Poland by Russia and the carrying into captivity of some million
and a half of its inhabitants ...
fdrlibrary.marist. edu/psf/box37/ t334p07.html 05/27/04,7763
bytes

You also will see letters from Poland where they were trying to reach an aggreement with Germany just prior to the attack.

This link has very interesting documents.
fdrlibrary.marist. edu/psf/box37/folt334.html
celinski   
15 Jan 2009
History / Poland Betrayed in WW2 [243]

It's all in the wording. When checking your

Current Research on Anti-Semitism

sorce I wondered if you took the time to read the reviews?
celinski   
14 Jan 2009
History / Poland Betrayed in WW2 [243]

what sort of p*ssy nation are they?

Not to mention the fact it took all of them vs Poland.
celinski   
13 Jan 2009
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Sorry I was checking out the job Avalon did on the site, by the way here's the aggreement. Check the site out.

Still waiting...

Should one of the Contracting Parties become engaged in hostilities with a European Power in consequence of aggression by the latter against that Contracting Party, the other Contracting Party will at once give the Contracting Party engaged in hostilities all the support and assistance in its power.

Look at this part,

Should the Contracting Parties be engaged in hostilities in consequence of the application of the present Agreement, they will not conclude an armistice or treaty of peace except by mutual agreement.

avalon.law.yale.edu/wwii/blbk19.asp#art1

celinski   
12 Jan 2009
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Britain would have been wiped out militarily

Now how's that for being optimistic

No she can't. Because she is lying. The Agreement of Mutual Assistance Between the United Kingdom and Poland (signed in London on 25 August 1939) makes no mention at all of any date on which British forces would arrive.

Your turn Harry.

April 1939,
Great Britain and France guarantee the armed help to Greece and Romania, should they be attacked by Germany or Italy. Formal Anglo-French guarantees are presented to Poland.[quote]

euronet.nl/users/wilfried/ww2/1939.htm[/quote]
celinski   
12 Jan 2009
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Is that what you're saying?

We will never know. France had also said they would be assisting.

Can you provide a source for this bombshell?

I already have but I will find it once more, just for u. :)

Don't get me wrong I don't blame just Britain, and maybe if Britain did react the way I feel they said they would, we may not have stopped the war. At this point in Poland most did not even know "NKVD" was killing and invading in the east.
celinski   
12 Jan 2009
History / Bielski Brothers - does anyone know the story? [38]

I think it's safe to say that these allegations of (bielski) "war crimes" will never be proven.

It's rather ironic but in the interview on CNN they speak of the actions proudly. And in this interview,

Zwick is a former journalist and a multi-threat, with long credits as director, movie producer and writer. He also has a remarkable record as a TV producer, most notably with "Thirtysomething," and he won an Oscar as co-producer of "Shakespeare in Love."

Yes I had to write a response, [quote]stashaok1/10/2009 6:55:33 AM

"But it's important to say that even if they were, to try to equate Jews participating in some attack on a village, which no doubt was in reprisal for something else, was in the context of wartime, and I'm afraid to say, understandable. " I wonder what the 10 year old boy murdered by the partisans had done to make it "understandable" . I wonder does the author agree that alleged Polish atrocities are acceptable as they could be considering "reprisals". I wonder what he thinks of the million German women raped by the Soviets. I guess they are "understandable" too. Some crimes such as stealing food are understandable and consider fair during war time BUT murder is murder regardless of your ethnicity/faith/ gender/nationality.
celinski   
12 Jan 2009
History / Bielski Brothers - does anyone know the story? [38]

I find this to be the # 1 feeling.

Country split over whether Daniel Craig is film hero or villain

Historians say Bielski was affiliated with Soviet partisans directed by the feared NKVD, a forerunner of the KGB. He even named his unit 'Kalinin', after Stalin's crony Mikhail Ivanovich Kalinin. Towards the end of the War, Soviet partisans terrorised ethnic Poles in Eastern Poland, including the region where Bielski's Kalinin unit operated. Some Poles suspect that Bielski's partisans were not only intent on driving the Germans out but opening the way for Poland to come under Soviet control.

entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/film /article5420709.ece
celinski   
9 Jan 2009
History / Bielski Brothers - does anyone know the story? [38]

I saw a show on A&E about it last night

Last night I caught "The History Channel" special on the brothers. If this comes back I strongly recommend it.

It was rather graphic and had the original people and/or their children hosting. I was saddened when they would show "Nazi collaborators"[/ , as they were referred to, and how they would hear a family ratted them out and would take out the entire family and then burn the home, calling this their "scorched earth policy" another such man was taken from his home and back at camp they decapitated him. All in all it was well worth seeing even though some parts are upsetting and IMHO glorification was used for all actions of the group regardless of the fact entire family's were brutally slaughtered without even so much as a chance to defend themselves.

celinski   
9 Jan 2009
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Tell me about the air power of Britain in relation to the Germans in 1939

I believe Poland was keeping the Nazi's a wee bit busy and I also believe I posted Britain's air power not to far back. You cannot just say "Britain's air power" as Poland was fighting.

Are you saying everyone who declares war should attack immediately regardless of capabilities? Be specific.

Due to Britain saying they were declairing war, yes. "Everyone" is not what I am saying. I really feel telling Poland dates and times they would be there with no intention of following through was very wrong.

Please use this link for Polish military and where they made a contribution.

When it comes to histories of the Second World War, every country, inevitably, plays up its own role and its contribution to the overall victory. There are, however, few countries like Poland whose contribution was so great and yet whose contribution has been so forgotten by the world. It is little wonder that fifty years on, the war still evokes much bitterness and pain among the Poles. The Second World War has been a wound in Poland that has adamantly refused to heal.
The treatment of the Polish Forces during and after the war has remained controversial - to the Poles at least. At their height, the manpower of the Polish Armed Forces under British command reached 249,000.

angelfire.com/ok2/polisharmy/chapter1.html

celinski   
9 Jan 2009
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

What should Britain have done in 1939?

Maybe get in a plane and attack Nazi's? Even they were wondering where you were. When you declair war, you don't sit and wait and tell the ones under attack your on your way.
celinski   
9 Jan 2009
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

Made 'countryless' and betrayed by the very country he chose to make his home. Strange.

Choices were limited, at least he lived to tell. Of the ones that could have helped the USA was the least responsible and in 1939 had not signed on to help, nor where they asked.

Do either of you have any comment about how Poland sold its Ukrainian allies down the river with the 1921 Treaty of Riga?

We lived side by side with the people from Ukraine, Jewish, Germans.

As asked already: why can't you find the time to even visit the nation you claim to be a part of?

I plan to but it is not like flying into Florida for a week. I'll let you know ahead of time so you can set up my suprize party, ok? :)))

But you only hold Britain responsible? This despite the fact that only the USA had any power to do so?

No, I never said I hold Britain soley responsible. Britain did sign saying they would help as did France, USA had not. I still feel if everyone stood their ground and told Stalin he was crazy, he would have backed down.
celinski   
9 Jan 2009
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

You have failed CONSISTENTLY to respond to the number one question which your insane petty arguments raise. Namely: What should Britain have done in 1939?

No you just don't like what I have to say. At the very least, Britain should not have continued to hold false promise of coming to help.

Why do you choose to reside in a country that betrayed Poland, and left them to Stalin?

I love the USA and was brought up free to "speak out" not under "Communist Poland". I wish USA and all our allies had taken on "Stalin". I cannot change the past, I may be good but not that good. To move to Poland today would mean leaving my family here in the USA just as my Grandfather had to do when he came to the states as "Countryless" in 1951.
celinski   
9 Jan 2009
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

how to excuse not even bothering to visit a country which you claim to fight for and defend is very simply pathetic.

Prior to 1989 and Poland being free, lol. Do you think before you type?

In this case the defined point is 1939

Let's see you are giving different dates. I do believe we were talking about when Poland was attacked, correct? I also believe many meetings took place where the UK and Poland said they had each others backs,correct? Poland was attacked and with the odds being rather tipped in Soviet/Nazi power Poland still fought a very hard fight and then even after UK did not respond like they said they would, Poland military still went forward to assist UK, correct?
celinski   
9 Jan 2009
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

What had Poland ever done for the UK?

Are you drinking this early in the AM Harry?

During WWII a substantial number of Polish service personnel were based in Britain serving alongside British and other allied forces (see article Polish Armed Forces 1939 to 1945)

yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Disposal_o f_Polish_military_records_after_WWII

celinski   
9 Jan 2009
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

It does amuse me that you are trying to fight the 'moral cause' for a country you can't even be bothered to visit.

Maybe the reason we fight for this "moral cause" is because we had our country taken over and were betrayed. You make it sound as if no time has passed. Has it occured to you we have homes, family and new lives set up in another country?
celinski   
9 Jan 2009
News / What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others? [1108]

I’ve been writing professionally (as in being paid to do it) for more than a decade and spent two years doing it full-time. I’m good enough that publishers now come to me and commission text ranging from a couple of hundred words to tens of thousands of words. I’m currently working on a travel guide to Poland and contributing chapters on the Jewish community of Lubelski to another book. Thanks for asking.

Do you have names as I would love to see your work?

Harry, does this mean you are a Plastic Brit? That's rich.

;)
celinski   
8 Jan 2009
History / Poland Betrayed in WW2 [243]

tendency to self pity to the point of nausea.....

I saw no self pity, I saw silence. By the way welcome back stranger, u were missed.
celinski   
8 Jan 2009
History / Russia tells teachers to lie to students about "Katyn" [139]

Putin does seem to be a bit misguided here.

Thank you for an interesting article. This was almost 1 year and look at where we are today.

But that calculus holds only if modern day rulers show no hint of sympathy for their predecessors’ atrocities. If Herr Puschnik, our putative leader of a post-Nazi Germany, starts flirting with Holocaust denial, every alarm should ring.

Vladimir Putin has already come dangerously close to this in Russia. He has claimed that the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was legal. He sees no need to apologise to Baltic victims of Stalinism.

celinski   
5 Jan 2009
News / No Way, No Apology! Poland has every right to support Georgia! [115]

LOL yes I did.

Gazprom, the Russian gas monopoly, cut off deliveries to Ukraine on Thursday, saying the former Soviet republic had failed to pay $2.1 billion in gas debts. Ukraine said it paid $1.5 billion but was disputing more than $600 million in late fees

Did you read mine?
celinski   
4 Jan 2009
News / No Way, No Apology! Poland has every right to support Georgia! [115]

Ukraine better pay and they will get their delivery - only fair wouldn't you agree?

Are you reading the full links? EU buys 40% of this and not just the baltic are being hurt. If the price didn't jump and intrest rates take the payments I guess this issue would not be. It's like the homes in the USA and the rate increases to rape the homeowner, now the credit card rates are being looked at (about time). Banking industry has become a legal Mafia and the rich top dogs are not seeing the money as they did in the past. How long can Russia play with Europe before everyone sticks together and puts a halt to this?
celinski   
4 Jan 2009
News / No Way, No Apology! Poland has every right to support Georgia! [115]

Any links?

As far as I know Russia never just "cut off" delivery...

How many do you want?

Gas Dispute Has Effects Past Russia and Ukraine

At issue in the dispute, which threatens to cause heating fuel shortages in Europe at the time it is most needed, is a system of gas trunk pipelines that is a legacy of the Soviet Union.

nytimes.com/2009/01/04/world/europe/04russia.html

EU Suffers Gas Shortfall Amid Russia-Ukraine Row

Three years ago, Gazprom shut off gas supplies to Ukraine in a near-identical row over gas prices and allegedly unpaid bills, causing sudden shortages across much of Europe.

dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,3917096,00.html

Russian Gas Embargo on Ukraine Is Felt In E. Europe

Gazprom, the Russian gas monopoly, cut off deliveries to Ukraine on Thursday, saying the former Soviet republic had failed to pay $2.1 billion in gas debts. Ukraine said it paid $1.5 billion but was disputing more than $600 million in late fees.

washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/03/AR2009010301738.html

Russia gas disruption spreads to Czechs, Turks

"If Europe ... does not help us get out of this situation, then it can expect a more aggressive position from Russia on gas and other issues," Oleksander Shlapak, a senior Ukrainian presidential aide, told Reuters.

Russian gas export monopoly Gazprom blamed Ukraine for siphoning off or blocking deliveries of gas equivalent to one sixth of the total Russian supply to Europe, and said it was increasing exports to make up some of the shortfall.

washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/04/AR2009010400252.html
celinski   
4 Jan 2009
History / 70th Anniversary of start of WWII [50]

2009 a Year of Anniversaries in Europe

Other than the 70th anniversary of the start of the Second World War, which began when Hitler's troops marched into Poland on Sept. 1, 1939, next year also marks the 20th anniversary of the fall of communism across central Europe.

Starting with democratic elections in Poland in June 1989, the year of change across central Europe culminated in November of that year with the fall of the Berlin Wall. That event became a symbol of the end of the Cold War and Europe's post-war divide.

dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,3895090,00.html