History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


Somehow I come to believe Poles are dreamers by default! :)

Luki invades and takes over successfully the whole of Germany of course without having a plan!
Sokrates makes the highest developed country on earth at that time to a farm with only a police force without having a plan!
All nice, wonderful dreams...but nothing realistic, pragmatic, workable.

I think your history couldn't had happened any other way...it's your psyche!

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

I see...
I wish you had done that...Germany would now reach till to the Baltics and the Poles had gotten an bad image as the warmongers of Europe! :)

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


How???


No it's not!

I already conceded a possible conquering of the capital...BUT THEN WHAT???

How do you think will that "stabilizing" work???
What next??? How do you think to convince the Germans still smarting from the Treaty now to bow to you and accept you and your dictat???

You have no plan, it will end in a disaster for you!

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


You don't get me Lukasz...I know what you WANT, but I doubt that you CAN!
Do you really think that Poland could have subdued a much bigger, much more industrialized, much more modern Germany for long (even if we assume initially success)?

Remember, at that time there was no hindsight...man Europeans still appeased Hitler because of feeling guilty for the Treaty, thinking he had something going for him.

I think any militarily action of Poland would be suicide on the polish side and later, when german troops conquered Poland they couldn't even hope for an help!

Hitler was attacked first after all...it was only his right now to punish the Poles!

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


It's not the war I disagree with...but the impossibility to clear things with that in the long run because ALL the reason for future war and conflict are still there...if possible the support for an underground "resistance"-Hitler would grow even more. You would make him a folk hero! Even big parts of the european public would now see him as the victim, not the aggressor...sympathy for the german cause would rise!

Okay...tell me...polish troops have successfully conquered Berlin (in one week only of course heh:) )...what now???

History / Poland: dont blame us its the Germans. [174]


Ja?

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


Thank you Luki!
That way you would make Germany and Hitler the righteous martyr in all history books!
Everything what would follow from there, uprisings, guerilla wars, devastation of Europe would be now blamed on France, Poland and or Russia, thanks! :)

PS: I told you before, try to think things through BEFORE you post another wild theory...tell me exactly how a hostile invasion would have ended german grievances, bitterness and wish for revenge?

The time and kind of war would be changed/delayed, the conflict still needed to be fighted out.

How do you think a peasant country of 30 million could had held on the most sophisticated country of 80 million!

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

Even not if they could avoid future occupation of Poland???

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


Even not as both groups very probably would be put under the western allied command fighting against the Soviets occupying Poland???
Honest question here...

News / Kaliningrad. Problem, Threat or Opportunity for Poland? [185]


...I tried...I really tried...my monitor got wet...

What did I just tried to say? Something perverse I hope! :):):)

News / Kaliningrad. Problem, Threat or Opportunity for Poland? [185]

But...but...but...leave me a town or two, would you! :)


What tongue twister!

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


Interesting! That is news to me...

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

Remember the chaos of '45 Torqi, no western block, no official alliance with a non-existent anymore Germany...just soldiers...lot's of it...who yesterday still tried to kill each other...


Well....you DID attack Iraq without declaring war first but I agree, that's yet another story...

So you would not throw your grenade at me???

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

*shares popcorn with nunczka during waiting*

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

Question....WOULD had Poles fighted along german troops against the Soviets if the pushes came to shove?

News / Kaliningrad. Problem, Threat or Opportunity for Poland? [185]

In a population of barely 50.000...what number counts for "small separatist movement"? 10???

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

Patton was all for it.
He wanted the surrendering SS units held together in good conditions with their weapons nearby...:)
He knew he could count on them!

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


I imagine! :)

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

In the end the US but not without nukes and in the end Poland would have been "saved" but now being a nuclear waste land (others too).

So...

News / Kaliningrad. Problem, Threat or Opportunity for Poland? [185]


They still don't let us win at football games....ungrateful bastards! :(

History / Poland: dont blame us its the Germans. [174]

Shopski? You are not trying to argument rational with these guys, don't you???

It's just the usual b*itchfest after midnight...nothing special...:)

History / Poland: dont blame us its the Germans. [174]


Yeah...get your money out...we need now polish EU support...*holds bag open*

;)

History / Poland: dont blame us its the Germans. [174]

The whole Nazi affair was 12 years (of 3000)...you are fooling nobody when you let your wishful thinking get the better of you.
Ask anybody in the world when comparing Poland with Germany which of us he calls a "failure"...sorry Sokrates but that is just funny! You are only one step away from doing a Crow :)

Doesn't sweat it Shopski, with Sokrates it's that he is jealeous of Germany, wanting Poland as strong and influential, and even more so if possible, suffering very much under the not especially glorious past...I don't begrudge him that, it's a healthy feeling :)

You see? That is a polish kind of "rewriting" history:


"they let"

*snicker*

Poor guys..The same with the partitions probably.."they let" them doing that! :)
Not to mention as "they let" the Wehrmacht marching over Poland in 1939! :)


Thanks, I like you too! :)

PS: There ARE actually polls and surveys out there, comparing countries...the last one showed GERMAN AS THE MOST POPULAR COUNTRY! :)

History / Poland: dont blame us its the Germans. [174]


Sour grapes? :)

What then would you call being erased from the map for 200 years? A success??? :):):)
Germany was the world leader till WWI!
And now you live again on german support in the EU...some failure!

Cut the crap Sokrates!


One of my favourite you tube clips...from the Wochenschau, Hitler forcing the ultimate humiliation on the arrogant bastards...but nothing what they hadn't done before to us! :)

We definitely neutered the french then...they never came back from that!
Great Britain got broke and lost their Empire for good.
Germany lost the war and got down but we took our enemies with us!

And now look at us! Some failure....sure..when Germany is a failure, what are you then? A joke?
One won battle every few centuries isn't going to cut it!:):):)

History / Territories of eastern Germany should rightfully belong to Poland? [161]


Well...you better prepare to give some land to the Kurds when you want to enter the EU! heh:)


Really...so recent! Whoa! Now you got me...I take it he is still alive and kicking??? :):):)


Oh I don't! Why should I?


Really! *waits shaking for something to happen*

History / Territories of eastern Germany should rightfully belong to Poland? [161]


Yeah...that must be it!
You should ask them for help with your Kosovo problem sometimes!


Yeah...that's why a half Pole/Sorb is made prime minister of one of the biggest and most important Bundesländer! That must be the reason for sorbian language schools, sorbian newspapers, sorbian kindergartens, sorbian radio stations, even a sorbian TV station, Sorbian University studies etc...

My what an opression![


I personally think you are a nutter...(no offence of course)

PS: What about the German minority in Serbia? How are they doing? High profile ethnic Germans somewhere? What about german language schools?

History / Territories of eastern Germany should rightfully belong to Poland? [161]


!

...wonder what happened in the meantime...:)
Oh...wait...didn't become a Sorb prime minister of Saxony??? What oppression!

PS: For all problems with the Sorbians please contact sorbian prime minister!
Schröder is gone now already for awhile...:):):)

History / Germans Exiles & Museum in Berlin in the eyes of Poles and UE nationals. [106]


That happens when a German tries humour!

But #4 would be interesting also....and what do you know about my sister???


Well...can't leave you on your little dream world, can't I! :)

History / Germans Exiles & Museum in Berlin in the eyes of Poles and UE nationals. [106]


Well...now that you mention it....cool idea!

(It WAS rude)

History / Territories of eastern Germany should rightfully belong to Poland? [161]

Not in Germany!